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Looking for Arthur Grove Hull born 1860 London who went to Cape town in (I believe 1906) on the Moravian shown as AG Hull. He might have moved to Rhodesia.
Sorry, this is all the information I have.
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I am trying to trace a Frederic/Frederick Hull born circa 1850 Marylebone London who practiced as a GP in Australia. He retired to live with his 2 sisters, Annie and Alice (Both spinsters) who lived in a large villa, Orchard Old Southgate Middlesex England.
As a GP he made quite a fortune, but apparently, he left it all to the Dr Barnardo's Children's Home.
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Exactly what type of information are you looking for?
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Was he married - any children?
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Which State of Australia and when did he return to England.
Was he married?
Jamjar
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The only record I have found, shows him as married but traveling without his wife.
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to CaroleW: anything really, but in mostly any connection with Dr Barnardo's.
to Jamjar: my guess would be New South Wales, and would have returned circa 1910.
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1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW4B-CD6
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96R-551
1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QX4M-KT2
1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Z-CQKL
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6W-W3G
1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KM-QG7
1851
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGB1-Q4G
The birth of son Fred Ford HULL was registered in 1850 and he died in 1859 aged 9 at Grantham.
Debra :)
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16 Sep 1897 from London on the "Donatter Castle" to South Africa (Cape Town)
Mrs. Grove 37yrs
Miss Grove 12 yrs
Master Grove 6 yrs
Master Grove 3 yrs
Could he have been in the Army at any time? There is a Major & Mrs. Grove sailing to Cape Town in 1896 on the same ship as above.
Most other "Groves were going to either Australia or the USA at that time ( a middle initial would help)
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It was Walter who was the doctor. The last time I can see him returning to the UK was in 1925 and he died in 1940 (of Orchard Chase Side, Southgate). His estate was sworn at £47772.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
Debra :)
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Dr. Walter Hull, of Southgate, Middlesex, formerly of Sydney, New South Wales, left gross estate valued at £47,771 (net personalty £47,677). After a few personal legacies, he left the residue of his property to Dr. Barnardo’s Homes.......
3 August 1940 - Birmingham Daily Post - Birmingham, West Midlands, England
Debra :)
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His was Arthur Grove or Arthur G. Hull.
I have been told: "There was an uncle who was sent to Australia as a remittance man never got there, he was reported to have jumped ship at Cape Town. The family of Hulls who have lived in Bulawayo, Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) for years, we know are descendants of that Hull, because a few years ago, a boyfriend of one of the Hulls there mistook Ann Hull's daughter (Juliet Coombe) for his girlfriend, they were amazingly alike and the granddaughter was taken to meet the family, where they discussed their ancestors and found that they were all related.
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Thank you.
That puts a whole new aspect on it, as I have records of Walter in the Royal Artillery during WW1. but then again, if it was easy, it would not be fun!
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Puzzled - the Walter Hull who served initially in the Royal Horse Artillery was born in Bermondsey in 1880, was a barman, signed on in 1900, married Ethellenda Williamson in 1905, two children, served until 1908, re-engaged in 1912 in Sec D Reserve, mobilised in the RHA in 1914, transferred in 1916 to the Royal Flying Corps then to the RAF in 1918 and finished service in 1919.
Doesn't sound like your Dr Walter - or perhaps you have discounted him (the RHA man) already?
MaxD
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Would be helpful if you told us exactly what record you have found him on "travelling without his wife". In particular - what date and what was his occupation?
Have you looked for a marriage for him on freebmd to establish his wife's name/age
Have you looked for him on any census to see if any children are shown
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I am really confused. I have records:
W G Hull Lieutenant, Acting Major Gazette Date:18/05/1917
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Walter Grove Hull Temporary Captain, Acting Major Gazette Date: 28/12/1917
These could be the same person?
I have also been told that after the war Walter worked at Le Roys et Fils, while the person mentioned by Dundee also fits - the address Southgate (his sisters) and leaving nearly everything to Dr. Barnardo’s.
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Another post here - Arthur Groves Hull
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=779916.msg6341301#msg6341301
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Note the recod says: Mr A G Hull
Age 45
Born 1861
Occupation LABOURER
Departure 22 9 1906 London
Destination port Cape South Africa
Ship name Moravian
Shipping line GEO THOMPSON & CO
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
There are BMD's for Arthur and a Arthur Gilbert, but not Arthur Grove.
The only census is 1860.
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Hi,
Australasian Medical Directory 1892
Hull Walter, Res, Med, Supt, Syd, Hosp, Sydney., NSW. MD. Lond. 1887; M.R.C.S. Eng, 1882; L.R.C.P. Lond. 1882.
Gerry
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Was he Arthur or Walter?
Walter Grove Hull June qtr 1890 Marylebone 1a 503
See your other post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=779917.new;topicseen#new
You have a Frederick or Walter Grove Hull GP in Australia and an Arthur Grove Hull going to SA
What is the connection between these people - Brothers or father and son etc etc
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I am really confused. I have records:
W G Hull Lieutenant, Acting Major Gazette Date:18/05/1917
And
Walter Grove Hull Temporary Captain, Acting Major Gazette Date: 28/12/1917
These could be the same person?
Births Walter Grove Hull June qtr 1890 Marylebone 1a 503
mmn - Orridge
Marriages September qtr 1886
Tom Grove Hull Pancras 1b 305
Lilla Mary Orridge
1891 shows Tom/Thomas Hull was a gold jeweller
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The 1940 death for Walter Hull shows him as 82 so born 1857/58. There are 2 births on freebmd in 1857 and neither have a middle name. The 1940 death and his will make no mention of a middle name either
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The wife of the Dr Walter HULL practising in NSW died in 1911.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111943647
Her name was Gertrude Madeline
Sue
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........ I have records of Walter in the Royal Artillery during WW1.
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Walter would have been in his late 50's when WW1 started. Walter Grove HULL was his nephew.
Debra :)
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I can't see the marriage registration. :-\
This 1889 article states that Dr Walter Hulle was the ex travelling Dr for the Earl of Dudley, 2nd last column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138837622
Jamjar
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I suggest you search TROVE http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/ yourself using "dr walter hull". He was noted a couple of times as Dr Walter John HULL.
Cando
Edit his name is also noted as HULLE.
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The wife of the Dr Walter HULL practising in NSW died in 1911.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111943647
Her name was Gertrude Madeline
Sue
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Gertrude-Madeline-Hull-or-Mull/22038307
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Australian Medical Journal May 1912
Dr. Walter Hull, who was formerly medical superintendent of the Prince Alfred Hospital, and subsequently practiced at Nowra, has removed to Sydney and begun practice at Wyoming, Macquarie-street.
Cando
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This is the announcement of the marriage in Edinburgh of the Dr Walter HULL.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143902545
Sue
EDIT to clarify meanig
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Excellent find Sue ;D
Cando
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The wife of the Dr Walter HULL practising in NSW died in 1911.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111943647
Her name was Gertrude Madeline
Sue
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Gertrude-Madeline-Hull-or-Mull/22038307
Waverley Cemetery Anglican Section 7 Vaults, Row 26, Grave 1025
Hull, Gertrude Medeline 15 March 1911 Age 44 Inscription: Wife of Walter Hull of Nowra
Jamjar
Added: 300/1911 HULL GERTRUDE M father James SYDNEY
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This is the announcement of the marriage in Edinburgh of the Dr Walter HULL.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143902545
Sue
EDIT to clarify meanig
This cert - ScotlandsPeople - should confirm if it's the correct Walter:
HULL Walter HARDY Gertrude Madeli 1903 685/4 443 St Giles
Jamjar
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If the Walter Grove Hull of the Royal Field Artillery in the Great War is still of interest, he was commissioned 28 Dec 1914 (London Gazette 29 Dec 14) and awarded the Military Cross (LG 28 Dec 1917).
MaxD
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Not sure if it is of great help and I do hope somebody will have a fuller access than me to this item, but it is a slightly different marriage announcement from the one in the Australian paper I have listed.
I think I can see “fourth son of C. HULL Old Southgate”
London Daily News. 20th June 1903
Edit-deleted invalid link
Sue
EDIT. Having trouble linking this item :( Still trying!
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You have a Frederick or Walter Grove Hull GP in Australia and an Arthur Grove Hull going to SA
What is the connection between these people - Brothers or father and son etc etc
They were all brothers:
Walter Grove Hull born 1858, served in the Royal Artillery.
Frederic/Frederick (as told) or Frank (census) Hull born 1870
Arthur Hull born 1861 a remittance man?
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Ok.
I think the link to the London Daily News is right now.
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1903-01-01/1903-12-31?basicsearch=walter%20hull&exactsearch=false&retrievecountrycounts=false&newspapertitle=london%20daily%20news&sortorder=score
Sue
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Walter Grove Hull born 1858, served in the Royal Artillery.
No he didn't and nor was he Walter GROVE Hull. Your other thread has corrected that error.
Topics merged
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Frederic/Frederick (as told) or Frank (census) Hull born 1870
Fred and Frank were different people. I have already given you details of Fred on the other thread.
HULL, FRANK
Mother's maiden surname: FORD
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 98
Frank was a photographer and he died in 1897. There is a death notice (1 September 1897 - Barnet Press - London, London, England) which I can only see a part of - he was of Orchard, Southgate and the Triangle Studio, New Barnet.
Debra :)