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Title: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 02 October 17 16:34 BST (UK)

Wondering why this would be?

Jane Pick of The George Hotel Frocester died 15 March 1901 Frocester.

I don't know of any links she had to Scotland but it says certificate endorsed by Commissary Clerk of Edinburgh.

Would it simply be administration in that more "local" courts were too busy? 
Be interested to find out as not come across this before.

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Millmoor on Monday 02 October 17 16:43 BST (UK)

Think it indicates that she must have had assets in Scotland, hence the certificate. Note that the will is listed in the wills index on Scotland's People (if you wished to read it this would be the most cost effective source - only 10 credits).

William

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 02 October 17 16:57 BST (UK)

I don’t know if this link will help or not……..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kts/

snippet from article above

A probate granted in England or Ireland, and certified by Note of
the Commissary Clerk of Edinburgh, is to have the same funds,
effect as a confirmation with the note appended.
When a probate is exhibited the note of trust funds is dispensed with………..

What was her connection to James?

Jane Pick of the “George” Hotel Frocester widow died   15 Mar 1901
Death Place:   Gloucestershire, Gloucester, England
Probate Gloucester   17 Aug to James Harris Grocer

Jane Pick age 60 Burial 21 Mar 1901 Frampton on Severn, Gloucestershire

Edit ~ I see James Green Harris grocer is also named on her husband's probate record

William Pick  “George” Hotel Frocester, Hotel Keeper died 21 Apr 1898 Gloucestershire
Probate 11 May 1898

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 02 October 17 21:42 BST (UK)

Sounds complicated but thank you.  I don't know who James Harris was but will have a look for him.

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 02 October 17 21:52 BST (UK)

Scotland and England have separate legal systems.
Even today, if someone who dies in England/Wales has assets in Scotland, then probate must be sought in England/Wales and "Confirmation" must be sought in Scotland.

See: https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/taking-action/dealing-with-a-deceased%27s-estate-in-scotland

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 02 October 17 22:03 BST (UK)

Thank you that helps  :)

This line in particular saying
Confirmation is possible only if the inventory includes at least one item of money or other property in Scotland.

Have been researching for nigh on 10 years and this is my first whiff of anything North of the border. 

I can't imagine it could be property, maybe an investment. 

Haven't found grocer James yet.  Checked family tree and he isn't on there. 

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 02 October 17 22:28 BST (UK)

A friend and I have a similar problem!
His partner died 3 years ago on the Isle of Man. She had previously inherited shares from her father.
Probate on the Isle of Man accounted for property and her bank accounts.
The shares are in UK (English) companies, so we have to go through another (English) legal process to get the shares transferred, and all future dividends paid to my friend.

I would imagine something similar has happened in your case.

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 03 October 17 11:03 BST (UK)

Good luck to your friend sorting it all out. 

I wondered if husband William appeared on the Scottish one but he doesn't seem to. 
Must be just her.  Interesting.

Having another look for James the grocer now, see what connection he had if any.

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 03 October 17 11:30 BST (UK)

Doing a search for the surname Pick on the wills index on Scotland's People only produces 3 results and they are all for your Jane Pick: her will (non Scottish Court), note of probate (Edinburgh Sheriff Court Inventories) and one where it states no image is available (does not make it clear what kind of document it is). And just to add to my earlier reply to download the will from SP would cost10 credits - 30 credits cost £7.50.

William

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 03 October 17 12:25 BST (UK)

Thanks William, I guess the will would be the next logical step to finding anything out. 

It is intriguing but I had problems with that site (registered years ago to help with a friends research) and took ages to extricate myself from it and the continual contact from them so am reluctant to dive back in.   

However if curiosity gets the better of me (which it probably will!) I will do as you suggest.

Title: Re: Death in Gloucestershire but on Scotland Probate Index
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 03 October 17 13:04 BST (UK)

Just to say that if you do decide to satisfy your curiosity Scotland's People now has a different provider.You may, therefore, have to re register or,at the very least, provide a new password. One good thing about the new site is that you can search the indexes for free. ( Don't think there should be a problem with continual  contact from them now - I very rarely hear from them and if I do it is a newsletter).

William