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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: neil16377 on Tuesday 03 October 17 14:31 BST (UK)
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Hi,
AmDoes anyone hold burial Records for
Machpelah cemetery Deiniolen?
i need to find if my grandfather x5 is buried there.
Robert Williams Buried in Feb 1838?
thank you.. Diolch
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Neil
Are you sure of the date? The first burials were in the 1840s.
What address do you have?
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hi gwil, yes i am 100% with the Date.
i cant seem to find his burial Anywhere
i thought that maybe he would be buried in deiniolen, as he was a Methodist "Blaenwr" in Tan y maes , llanfair is gaer.
but i thought that deiniolen was a burial location for methodists?
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Macpellah was a burial ground for about 11 chapels in the upper half of Llanddeiniolen parish i.e Deiniolen/Dinorwig/Brynrefail. Definitely not opened before the 1840s. No other burial ground there in that era.
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Damn,, This driving me Nuts.....
i purchased hid death cert yesterday,
to confirm the death Date.
ive searched most local cemeteries.
so confused!??
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Do you mean that literally i.e you have looked for a headstone (in the MIs). Maybe a look in the parish registers starting with Llanfairisgaer will turn him up.
Is he likely to have been buried in the area he was born?
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i have searched most local registers.
llanrug
llanfsirisgaer
llanbeblig
caerhun
llanddeiniolen
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I haven't access to my Hobleys Methodists books at the moment. There is a set at Caernarfon Archives. I'd be surprised if a blaenor from such an early era isn't mentioned. Might mention where buried?
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i have Hobleys here in my possesion, there is a lit mentioned of him in volume 4/llanrug.
but no mention of burial location.
or im not understanding it!!
it dors confirn the date..
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Do you know how old he was when he died?
Regards
Roger
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he was 86!
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You mentioned Caerhun. If you mean the one in the Conway Valley then have you seen the Robert Williams shown aged 84 buried at Llangelynnin Old Church (next parish towards Conwy). In December. Does Hobley give a month?
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The nearest record I can find to that is from Llangelynin(abode "Nant"),given as 1754-1838.Is that a possible?
Regards
Roger
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yes , i had seen that gwil,
i can 100% say that he died 5th feb 1838
registered at the 8th feb 1838
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I'll join you in the head scratching then!
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lol...... could. he have been buried on private land?
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Don't know about that Neil. Being religious he/his family would have wanted a burial in consecrated ground?
Assuming that, like us, you have searched the FindMyPast registers by inserting 1838 to come to a dead end then all I can think of now is looking through each book for Feb 1838 starting with the obvious ones which would be Llanfairisgaer and Llanddeiniolen. In case there's a typo by the FindMyPast inputters. Unless you've done that of course.
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i have gwil... but its worth a second look..
cheers for your efforts..
diolch neil
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I have one more thing Neil. Having now seen the Hobley entry on your other thread. Can you rule out a burial at either Tan y Maes or the chapel in Llanrug.
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there was not a cemetery in tan y maes, im sure.
llanrug is where i also think is the most likely..
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I haven't been able to access it(something went wrong with registration)but there appears to be a register of burials 1813-1849 Llanrug in The Peoples Collection Wales.
Regards
Roger
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not sure if ive searched this, have you any links please?
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I've managed to get it.It doesn't appear to go as far as the title suggests,not even 1838.I've tried stepping through the pages on a well known database but can't spot any obvious omission or mistanscription.
Regards
Roger
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The burials on the Peoples Collection Wales website is part of the Llanrug Parish Burial Register. The complete register has been transcribed on the link below.
http://www.yffor.com/parish/llanrug/llanrugcladdu1813.html
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thanks guys, i do not understand How this is so difficult..
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Do you know where his wife is buried - or any children ?
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thats just it huwcun, i cannot trace them, it states that his daughter Margaret williams/jones my great x4 grandmother was buried in llanfairisgaer in 1877, but i cannot find a burial plot for her or my grandfather John jones buried 1871
i doubt they couldnt afford a stone,
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WOULD THE SUB DISTRICT PART MEAN ANYTHING?/
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Have you tried Llanbeblig or Llanfaglan ? . Looking at the death of Margaret, I notice she died at Garddfon. My gg-grandfather kept Garddfon until about 1860, but he's buried at Llanbeblig, where he came from. If Robert Williams was from somewhere like Caeathro , might he be buried at Llanbeblig ?
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while i am at it gwil , could you possibly check if there was head stone in llanfair is gaer for a Ann Williams CARREG GOCH. died
july 11 1867. please
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Neither of those give anything either ....... . Do you know where he was from originally ? . Garreg Goch is halfway between Llanfair Is Gaer and Llanddeiniolen, so it seemed nailed on for either of those two places. A stone might have fallen, but you'd expect a burial record somewhere. I can't find a single reference in any Llanddeiniolen MIs to Garreg Goch.
If the FindMyPast records for the area, including places like Llanwnda, Clynnog, Llandwrog and Llanllyfni are exhaustive, then his age might be wrong ( but Hobley agrees with the certificate) , or he's buried with family elsewhere.
If you suspect he was not from the area, then his marriage record might show another parish to that he was married in.
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hobley states that he was a blaenwr in llanrug-waunfawr-then tan y maes.
i have him on record from 1780s in carreg goch.
hobley states he was in twll clawdd llanrug for 15 yrs.
he started his work with with the church at Llanrug at the age of 21
so in theory he was in his early 20s when he was in carreg goch-first child in 1785!
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Waun fawr?
first burials 1838!!
methodist church?
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Neil,
If he had Waunfawr connections, have you looked at Bettws Garmon?
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This is strange, i have just spoken to aberystwydd archives. and Robert williams is buried in llanfair-is-gaer
buried 9-2-1838...
but only aberystwyth have the Record!
i have searched llanfairisgaer numerous times,
how am i supposed to find the plot?
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I would suggest you search for graves of people who died at much the same time. Look at the burial records, and try and find those on the GFHS Llanfair-Is-Gaer MIs (M128 a/b). There might be a broken headstone, an indecipherable inscription. My gg-grandfather's headstone at Llanddeiniolen is recorded in the MIs, but is no longer there. You might have to accept that.
The FindMyPast burial records for Llanfair-Is-gaer seem to have 50 or so missing years, including 1838.
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I appreciate it is a bit late in the day but I have transcribed the Llanfairisgaer Burials taken from the Bishop's Transcripts between 1813 and 1840. They might be of use to someone. I'm still looking for details for the burials between 1842 and May 20th 1864. If anyone has access to these records they would be very welcome.
http://www.yffor.com/parish/llanfairisgaer/llanfairisgaercladdu1813.html
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Superb effort, thank you