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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: davonz on Thursday 05 October 17 00:32 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find my great grandmothers family which we know very little about. All I know is:
Great Grandmother: Theresa Eva Shea b 1890. One of my aunties said she was born in Grafton NSW and her birthday was in May. There is a Theresa Eva Shea born in South Grafton, NSW 18th May 1890 on NSW BDM website. Parents are listed as Denis Shea and Mary Taylor.
GGM's sister - Sarah Ann SHEA, she married Francis Claud RAWLINSON. No children. This has been the best lead as my mum stayed with them (aunty Nan and Claud as they were known), and the husband Claud Rawlinson is an unusual name. Sarah's parents are listed as Denis and Mary on NSW BDM marriage certificate.
There is a marriage between Denis Shea and Mary Taylor in 1884 Bellinger River, New South Wales, Australia on NSW BDM. James and Margaret Taylor are present at the wedding - I am guessing maybe father and mother.
Theresa's son said there was a bother Bob who was a detective. A sister Irene who was attached when she was very young (around 15) on here way home from work and went crazy.
There is a Robert SHEA on NSW BDM b 1886.
There is a Delia Irene SHEA on NSW BDM b 1899, d 6 Oct 1920.
Theresa has a son Thomas Brain Beattie in 1918 (my grandfather). There is no fathers name on the birth certificate we have. Theresa then meet Richard Cecil Hart. They never married, but they had 2 sons. Thomas Brain was always known as a Hart after this.
If anyone has any info or can point me in the right direction that would be great.
thanks
Dave
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You seem to know a lot, actually.
What exactly are you looking for?
I find they way you have written about Irene somewhat disturbing. Any chance you could alter it?
Jamjar
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Hi, I am wanting to find all the info on the family - is the information I have correct, were there any other bothers and sisters, what happened to them if there was - married, kids etc. Where did the parents come from, their ancestry etc..
I will modify/sanitise what I wrote about Irene, but its what happened.
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You can search NSWDDM: https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?13
It appears that there is more than one Denis/Dennis Shea in the same area, so use both variation of the spelling.
Here is an obit for one, 5th column, and looks like his wife Elizabeth, 4th column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article234813415
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article235452877
Jamjar
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I have searched NSW BDM's. That is where i found the info I have as stated in first post.
I also noticed the different spellings of Denis/Dennis so not sure of his correct spelling.
As for Elizabeth, I don't think she is connected - no one has ever mentioned an Elizabeth.
The sons names in the obit don't match what little I do know. The only son I have heard of is Bob (probably robert)
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I am thinking that the father of Teresa is the son of Denis and Elizabeth.
Here is a death:
13553/1920 SHEA Dennis parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH BELLINGEN
Jamjar
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There is this death notice for Denis SHEA on 20 July 1886, at Grafton
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62098988
and on NSW BDM:
Denis SHEA died Grafton (9832/1886) parents Patrick and Bridget
Modified to strike through - not the right Denis SHEA
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This obit for Elizabeth SHEA says her husband died "seven" years previously,
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61643984
So his death:
Denis SHEA (9058/1907) at Grafton, father: Michael
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I am thinking that the father of Teresa is the son of Denis and Elizabeth.
Here is a death:
13553/1920 SHEA Dennis parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH BELLINGEN
Jamjar
So maybe they immigrated as a family from wales.
I have seen a document where it states that denis's mothers name was elizabeth, but i can't find it. His marriage certificate doesnt have it or list where they are from.
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I know this obit for Elizabeth SHEA says her husband died "seven" years previously, however the only death that fits (that I can see) is the one above.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61643984
The article states she was married in north wales... Denis (son) was from or born in Wales... Mary from Ireland.. So maybe Denis, Elizabeth and his family came out together.
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The obit for Elizabeth
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61643984
has quite detailed info about her. Born in Ireland, married in North Wales and arrived in Australia in 1866 on the Queen of the South landing in Qld. 8 children, 36 grand children and 36 g grandchildren.
Modified to add: you beat me to it ;)
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Hi,
1875 Greville's Official PO Directory.
DALMORTON, a small township between Glen Inness and Grafton.
Shea, Denis, miner.
Gerry
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There is a military record for a Robert Shea and it mentions a sister:
SHEA Robert Service Number - 5583 Born - North Grafton Enlistment Sydney his next of kin (Sister) ROUCHE Mrs John.
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8080655
There is a marriage to an Olga who died 1919. Funeral notice 3rd column:
7153/1918 SHEA Robert to SPENCER Olga E SYDNEY
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15835351
27115/1957 SHEA Robert parents DENIS and MARY SYDNEY
Jamjar
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There is Dennis SHEAY (36) arrival Brisbane 8 Dec 1865 on the Queen of the South, with Elizabeth (32), Michael (11), Dennis J ( 8 ), Elizabeth (7) and James (infant). Departed London 2 Sept 1865
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There is Dennis SHEAY (36) arrival Brisbane 8 Dec 1865 on the Queen of the South, with Elizabeth (32), Michael (11), Dennis J ( 8 ), Elizabeth (7) and James (infant). Departed London 2 Sept 1865
My Denis was born 1858 - so it might be.
These old records could be slightly wrong as I have found out in the past. Donnis became Dennis and then Denis.
So there could have been:
Denis
Michael
Elizabeth
James
Daniel
H Bellamy - female
T O'Malley - female
How do I verify this ?
I have had this before when looking for ancesters.. Everything matched up - except on boy was a twin and the twin was born 7 days different. Turns out there was a cousin who has the same name. That stuffed up a who branch of family tree..
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1st marriage: 2626/1875 HALLAHAN JAMES SHEA Elizabeth GRAFTON
2nd marriage: 4912/1884 BELLAMY Henry to HALLAHAN Elizabeth J GRAFTON
Jamjar
Added: Her death: 5676/1949 BELLAMY ELIZABETH parents DENNIS and BETSY MACLEAN
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Daniel born in Aus:
10547/1871 SHEA Daniel parents DENIS and ELIZABETH GRAFTON
Jamjar
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Other daughter's death:
33006/1954 OMALLEY Mary parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH GRAFTON
Jamjar
Added: 1352/1906 O'MALLEY Thomas to SHEA Mary GRAFTON
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Deaths of boys:
272/1897 SHEA James W parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH SYDNEY
13553/1920 SHEA Dennis parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH BELLINGEN
25854/1942 SHEA Daniel parents DENIS and ELIZABETH COFFS HARBOUR
I cannot see a death for Michael
Jamjar
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Deaths of boys:
272/1897 SHEA James W parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH SYDNEY
13553/1920 SHEA Dennis parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH BELLINGEN
25854/1942 SHEA Daniel parents DENIS and ELIZABETH COFFS HARBOUR
I cannot see a death for Michael
Jamjar
Thanks you so much for all the help.
I just need to find a living descendant who can fill me in on the info.
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Olga's burial:
SHEA, Olga Edwinna 20 Apr 1919 26 Cath Sect:12 Special, Row 13, Grave 1298
Inscription: Wife of Robert Shea
Did Robert remarry? 6636/1935 SHEA Robert to ARMSTRONG Edith J ASHFIELD
Jamjar
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Based on the immigration info in 1866, these look likely:
Denis SHEA married Elizabeth COLLINS Mar Qtr 1857 Abergavenny (11a/125)
The children:
Michael SHEA mmn COLLINS 1854 S Qtr Abergavenny (11A/62)
Denis SHEA mmn COLLINS 1857 J Qtr Abergavenny (11A/78)
James SHEA mmn COLLINS 1865 J Qtr Saint Luke, Middlesex (01B/650)
(though I can't see Elizabeth born c 1858?)
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Olga's burial:
SHEA, Olga Edwinna 20 Apr 1919 26 Cath Sect:12 Special, Row 13, Grave 1298
Inscription: Wife of Robert Shea
Did Robert remarry? 6636/1935 SHEA Robert to ARMSTRONG Edith J ASHFIELD
Jamjar
I know nothing about Robert, except he was a detective. Thats all my great uncle knew.
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Sarah and Francis are buried Rookwood:
FRANCIS C RAWLINSON 81 25-7-1973 Zone H Garden Lawn 281
SARAH A RAWLINSON 83 18-8-1977 Zone H Garden Lawn 281
62017/1973 RAWLINSON Francis Claude parents THOMAS LITCHFORD and THERESA JANE RYDE
Notice: RAWLINSON Francis Claude Death notice 23-7-1973 Death Sydney Morning Herald 26-7-1973
I can't get her death on BDM >:(
Jamjar
Added, just to keep things together: QLD deaths:
1977 C7274 Theresa Eva Hart parents Daniel Shea and Taylor
1977 C5445 Sarah Ann Rawlinson father Shea
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Sarah and Francis are buried Rookwood:
FRANCIS C RAWLINSON 81 25-7-1973 Zone H Garden Lawn 281
SARAH A RAWLINSON 83 18-8-1977 Zone H Garden Lawn 281
62017/1973 RAWLINSON Francis Claude parents THOMAS LITCHFORD and THERESA JANE RYDE
Notice: RAWLINSON Francis Claude Death notice 23-7-1973 Death Sydney Morning Herald 26-7-1973
I can't get her death on BDM >:(
Jamjar
She died in QLD, went to live near her sister when Claud died.
QLD BDM Death Reg No: C5445
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Based on the immigration info in 1866, these look likely:
Denis SHEA married Elizabeth COLLINS Mar Qtr 1857 Abergavenny (11a/125)
The children:
Michael SHEA mmn COLLINS 1854 S Qtr Abergavenny (11A/62)
Denis SHEA mmn COLLINS 1857 J Qtr Abergavenny (11A/78)
James SHEA mmn COLLINS 1865 J Qtr Saint Luke, Middlesex (01B/650)
(though I can't see Elizabeth born c 1858?)
Thanks for that.
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I've been studying the Shea births on NSWBDM with folks Denis/Dennis and Mary. There are 2 Denis and Mary having children in the Grafton area.
I've found the death for burial place for Denis who died in 1902. He is buried with:
17534/1921 SHEA Mary (-VAUGHAN) 85 YEARS NEWCASTLE NEWCASTLE
Sandgate Cemetery: Catholic_1 M.Com 70
Shea Dennis 26-6-1902
Shea Mary 13-10-1921
Photo of monument: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ku4/
It gives Mary a birth year of 1836.
Denis was born in 1877 and then the next birth is James S in 1885. Mary would have been 49 years of age at time of birth, if she is the mother of James.
Sarah is also at Sandgate: Catholic_1 05 130
Shea Sarah 21-10-1928
19319/1928 SHEA Sarah parents DENIS MARY NEWCASTLE
I think Denis was Mary's last child and that Theresa's siblings are:
1885 James
1886 Robert - died 1957
1888 Mary A
1890 Theresa E - died 1977 Hart
1892 William
1894 Sarah A - died 1977 Rawlinson
1897 Elizabeth - died 1964 unmarried
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Hi,
When searching remember, Shea might show up as O'Shea in some records, easily done.
Gerry
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Mother and sister of Theresa, I think.
17969/1934 SHEA Mary parents MICHAEL and MARY SYDNEY
Rookwood Catholic Cemetery
Shea Mary 10 Nov 1934 75 SEC*M2*4**527
Shea Delia I 6 Oct 1920 21 SEC*M2*4**527
A coincidence maybe, but in the adjoining grave:
Hart Elizabeth 28 Aug 1920 78 SEC*M2*4**526
Jamjar
Added: Elizabeth M is at Rookwood, also:
Shea Elizabeth M 67 1-4-1964 SEC*M2*20**3958
16529/1964 SHEA Elizabeth Margaret parents DENNIS and MARY BALMAIN
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Hi,
When searching remember, Shea might show up as O'Shea in some records, easily done.
Gerry
Everyone thought my g grandmother was Theresa Eva O'Shea, however when I started looking I found my grandfather's birth certificate (hard copy) which listed her as Nellie Eva Shea. Her Death certificate also says Theresa Eva Shea.
Thats when I found the birth certificate of Theresa Eva Shea - same year and month and place of her birth, but her son thought it was 13th May, birth certificate says 18th may. It also matched the auntie and uncle mum lived with Sarah and Claud Rawlinson.
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1861 Wales Census
At Main Road, Aberystruth
Elizabeth Shea 25, head, married, housekeeper, b Ireland
Michael Shea 7, b Aberystruth
Dennis Shea 4 b Aberystruth
Elizabeth Shea 2 b Aberystruth
Brian Kelly 30, lodger, Iron Wheeler, b Ireland
David Cottins 35, lodger, Iron Wheeler, b Ireland
Bridget Cottins 30 Lodger
Bridget 1, lodger
Aberystruth is in South Wales, in the registration district of Abergavenny - not to be confused with the more well-known Aberystwyth, which is also in Wales but further north and on the coast. My husband's ancestors were also in Aberystruth in 1851 and 1861. It is a mining district in the valleys of South Wales, unfortunately the Parish of Aberystruth has no village of its own name, but the following are names of the places contained in this extensive parish: Abertillery, Nant-y-Glo, Garnfach, Blaina, Cwm and Cwmtillery and I can't see which village is exactly where Elizabeth and the children were.
Daniel Edit Dennis (the father) is not listed in that household in 1861. There are others of the same surname in Aberystruth at the time.
Judith
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Mother and sister of Theresa, I think.
17969/1934 SHEA Mary parents MICHAEL and MARY SYDNEY
Rookwood Catholic Cemetery
Shea Mary 10 Nov 1934 75 SEC*M2*4**527
Shea Delia I 6 Oct 1920 21 SEC*M2*4**527
A coincidence maybe, but in the adjoining grave:
Hart Elizabeth 28 Aug 1920 78 SEC*M2*4**526
Jamjar
Added: Elizabeth M is at Rookwood, also:
Shea Elizabeth M 67 1-4-1964 SEC*M2*20**3958
16529/1964 SHEA Elizabeth Margaret parents DENNIS and MARY BALMAIN
Theresa's birth certificate (hard copy) has:
18th May 1890, Skinner St, South Grafton, Theresa Eva, Sex Female.
father Denis Shea, Blacksmith, age 32, birth place Wales.
marriage date, 24th May 1884 Bellinger NSW, living Males 2, Females 1, Deceased none
mother Mary Taylor, age 29, birthplace Clare Ireland.
So i am guessing that this matches with the children already found.
James Samuel b1885 Bellinger River
Robert b1886 Bellinger River
Mary A b1888 Boat Harbour
Theresa Eva b1890 Grafton
Then the rest I had from searching but was not sure if related except for Sarah Ann (due to Claud Rawlinson)
William b1892 Grafton
Sarah Ann b1894 Maclean
Elizabeth b1897 Bellinger
Delia Irene b1899 Kempsey
Elizabeth I didnt know about until today.
Delia - Mum had an aunty Irene - so I am guessing that is her. Sarah was always know as aunty Nan, Francis was always known as Claud.
So from the birth certificate I guessed Denis, Theresa dad was born in 1858 and her mother Mary born in 1861. Which then marry's up with their wedding certificate.
Their wedding certificate has "In the presents of James Taylor and Margaret Taylor" so I am guessing they are her parents - I could be wrong, they might be siblings.
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Her brother, I'd say given the parent's names are the same for both death registrations:
17747/1923 TAYLOR James parents MICHAEL and MARY BELLINGEN
Jamjar
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You may be right Gerry. ;)
I think this may be the marriage of Mary A who was born in 1888.
Recall Robert's sister Mrs ROUCHE. I haven't been able to find a marriage, but this one looks close:
7815/1911 RAUCH CARL J to O'SHEA Mary SYDNEY
Marriage notice, 1st column, has her as Mary Agnes: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15267329
Jamjar
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I wonder if these are siblings:
Deaths Search Results:
TAYLOR MICHAEL 6201/1931 MICHAEL MARY BELLINGEN
TAYLOR JAMES 17747/1923 MICHAEL MARY BELLINGEN
TAYLOR BRIDGET 2692/1926 MICHAEL MARY BELLINGEN
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You may be right Jerry. ;)
I think this may be the marriage of Mary A who was born in 1888.
Recall Robert's sister Mrs ROUCHE. I haven't been able to find a marriage, but this one looks close:
7815/1911 RAUCH CARL J to O'SHEA Mary SYDNEY
Marriage notice, 1st column, has her as Mary Agnes: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15267329
Jamjar
I had found this and had attached it to mary.
13093/1911 MIDDLEMIS DAVID SHEA MARY A GRAFTON
But Roberts service record matches what you had found.
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I wonder if these are siblings:
Deaths Search Results:
TAYLOR MICHAEL 6201/1931 MICHAEL MARY BELLINGEN
TAYLOR JAMES 17747/1923 MICHAEL MARY BELLINGEN
TAYLOR BRIDGET 2692/1926 MICHAEL MARY BELLINGEN
This is likely the Margaret: 8630/1904 KEANE John to TAYLOR Margaret BELLINGEN
I have a possible burial and death notice, but again the death isn't coming up on BDM. >:(
Notice 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15951326
Belligen Cemetery: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ku5/
Jamjar
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Yes, I had Middlemiss, also, but then realised that all the other sisters were accounted for. Unless we've missed one altogether, of course.
This is where it becomes necessary to purchase transcriptions if you are interested in verifying the information, to be certain all that the information found is related.
Jamjar
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Daniel (the father) is not listed in that household in 1861. There are others of the same surname in Aberystruth at the time.
Judith, the father is Denis/Dennis, not Daniel.
Jamjar
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Yes, I had Middlemiss, also, but then realised that all the other sisters were accounted for. Unless we've missed one altogether, of course.
This is where it becomes necessary to purchase transcriptions if you are interested in verifying the information, to be certain all that the information found is related.
Jamjar
I have purchased some of the birth/marriage certificates.. But it starts to add up and becomes expensive very quickly, especially if you have a family like mine where there is so many secrets, and no one knows anything, and grand / great grand parents who were hiding info..
I have 1 grandfather that I know nothing at all about, and then the one from this side of the family (theresa's son), who we dont know who the father is..
Do you know if ancestry has copies of the certificates - if I join can I see them. Or is it just what we can see on NSW BDM ?
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Yes, it does get expensive. I hope you use the transcription agents, as a transcription is much cheaper.
No, Ancestry doesn't have the certs. Unless someone with a tree has uploaded them.
Jamjar
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Hi,
When searching remember, Shea might show up as O'Shea in some records, easily done.
Gerry
Everyone thought my g grandmother was Theresa Eva O'Shea, however when I started looking I found my grandfather's birth certificate (hard copy) which listed her as Nellie Eva Shea. Her Death certificate also says Theresa Eva Shea.
Thats when I found the birth certificate of Theresa Eva Shea - same year and month and place of her birth, but her son thought it was 13th May, birth certificate says 18th may. It also matched the auntie and uncle mum lived with Sarah and Claud Rawlinson.
And it's O'Shea here ;): 1978 C6830 Thomas Brian Hart parents Richard Cecil Hart and Teresa O'Shea
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And it's O'Shea here ;): 1978 C6830 Thomas Brian Hart parents Richard Cecil Hart and Teresa O'Shea
And yet Thomas Brian's birth certificate says Shea.
And heres Theresa death in QLD
1977 C7274 Theresa Eva Hart Daniel Shea Taylor
Theresa never married Richard Cecil so she was never a Hart.
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It wasn't uncommon for a woman to take the man's surname when living together unmarried. It certainly has occurred in my family.
Jamjar
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Deaths:
272/1897 SHEA James W parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH SYDNEY
Death notice, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61316233
Marriage: 7033/1893 SHEA James to HUGHES Alice M ULMARRA
Children:
20999/1893 Alma G
33797/1895 Dorris A M
30776/1898 Samuel Lee
Jamjar
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Deaths:
272/1897 SHEA James W parents DENNIS and ELIZABETH SYDNEY
Death notice, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61316233
Marriage: 7033/1893 SHEA James to HUGHES Alice M ULMARRA
Children:
20999/1893 Alma G
33797/1895 Dorris A M
30776/1898 Samuel Lee
Jamjar
James Shea b1865 Saint Luke, Middlesex ?
That would make him 32 or 31 depending on birthday which hasn't been found/confirmed yet?
But I guess maybe the dates/age are not 100% correct.
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William born 1892, son of Denis and Mary, died 1892:
5822/1892 SHEA William parents DENNIS and MARY GRAFTON
You can cross off the Shea-Middlemis marriage for Mary, 2nd last column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61618456
I cannot find anything on Mary Agnes and Carl Rauch and have run out of ideas. Finding them on an electoral roll would be nice, but I don't have paid subscriptions. They had a son born 1912, Raymond C E Rauch ( I think middle names may be Carl Edward, after his father and grandfather), who married Athaline Nelson in 1934. I can't find anything on them either. This Raymond is not to be confused with Raymond G M Rauch down Nowra way.
Also, James S born 1885 to Denis and Mary has eluded me.
Jamjar
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A daughter's birth for Mary and Carl at same address as Robert gave for his sister on military record, 1st column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15476219
122/1914 RANCH MARY D parents CARL J and MARY SYDNEY
Jamjar
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Well, persistence paid off:
16310/1952 Ranch Mary Agnes parents DENIS and MARY SYDNEY
6143/1967 RANCH Raymond Crl Edward parents CARL JOHN and MARY AGNES SYDNEY
I think: 15978/1917 RANCH John parents JOHN and MARY A WAVERLEY
Jamjar
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Death notice for Mary RANCH, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18281286
Jamjar
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This is amazing... Thank you
So it looks like they changed their name from RAUCH to RANCH.. As why would there be so many RAUCH's to start with.
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Buried Eastern Suburbs Cemetery:
Mary Agnes Ranch 10-9-1952 Burial RC25 - Roman Catholic FM 25, Position 481
Raymond Carl Edward Ranch 27-11-1967 Burial RC29A - Roman Catholic FM 29A, Position 267
RANCH Raymond Carl Edward Death notice 24-11-1967 Death 55 at Eastern Suburbs Hospital, late of Randwick Sydney Morning Herald 25-11-1967
Carl is either deceased by 1952 or he and Mary were separated.
Jamjar
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The marriage registrations for Raymond:
19344/1934 RAUCH Raymond C E NELSON Athaline E WAVERLEY
19344/1934 RANCH Raymond C E to NELSON Athaline E WAVERLEY
19344/1935 RANCH Raymond C E to NELSON Atholine E PETERSHAM
Jamjar
Added: Marriage of Mary Doreen
21965/1955 REILLY James Joseph to RANCH Mary Doreen BONDI
Eastern Suburbs cemetery
Mary Doreen Reilly 29-5-1978 Burial RC21 - Roman Catholic FM 21, Position 2604
Possibility for her husband:
James Joseph Reilly 21-12-2014 30-12-2014 Burial RCL35 - Roman Catholic Lawn 35, Position 1074
Death notice: REILLY Mary Doreen (Molly Death notice 25-5-1978 Death 64 late of Randwick Sydney Morning Herald 27-5-1978
Jamjar
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This is Carl's birth:
14250/1891 RAUCH Carl J parents Julius E and Ellen GOULBURN
His death: 32308/1960 RANCH John parents EDWARD and HELEN SUTHERLAND
RANCH John Death notice 21-12-1960 Death 69 late of Cronulla Sydney Morning Herald 24-121960
At Woronora Cemetery:
John Ranch 21-12-1960 Burial Roman Catholic Plaque Lawn - 1 - 0468
Kathleen Frances Huxley Ranch 17-11-1993 19-11-199 Burial Roman Catholic Plaque Lawn - 1 - 0468
2nd marriage: 16383/1952 RANCH John to RANCH Kathleen Frances SYDNEY
Look at the marriage year. Same year as Mary's death. Wonder if Kathleen being a RANCH is due to her using the name if they had been living together.
Cemetery plaque photos attached
Jamjar
Added:
RANCH Kathleen Frances Huxley Death notice 17-11-1993 Death late of Ashfield, formerly of Cronulla and Canberra Sydney Morning Herald 19-11-1993
RANCH Kathleen Frances Probate notice 2-12-1993 Publication late of Gordon, ACT Canberra Times 2-12-1993
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Hi,
1890 NSW Census
Glen Innes District, Gresham County , Township, Winter Vale.
Dennis Shea... left District since delivered.
Winter Vale had three householder names on the Census and one was Dennis Shea, Winter Vale is located on the Boyd River not far from Dalmorton between Gen Innes and Grafton.
Gerry
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This may be a red herring, but just in case they are part of the Shea family....
I've just indexed (for Ryerson Index) a 1993-Nov-12 funeral notice for Alice May SHEA (known as May) with husband Victor, in Toowoomba. Victor's FN is on Ryerson in 1995.
'Migration' from Grafton area to Toowoomba is quite feasible - not that far as the crow flies, in Oz terms of distance :)
If you think there's any connection let me know your email, by PM, and I'll send you a copy.
Dawn M
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This may be a red herring, but just in case they are part of the Shea family....
I've just indexed (for Ryerson Index) a 1993-Nov-12 funeral notice for Alice May SHEA (known as May) with husband Victor, in Toowoomba. Victor's FN is on Ryerson in 1995.
'Migration' from Grafton area to Toowoomba is quite feasible - not that far as the crow flies, in Oz terms of distance :)
If you think there's any connection let me know your email, by PM, and I'll send you a copy.
Dawn M
Hi Dawn,
Does it say anything about family - father, mother, children etc ?
It is possible, as Theresa Eva and her sister Mary Ann Shea ended up around Toowoomba. Theresa died in 1977.
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Hi Dawn,
Does it say anything about family - father, mother, children etc ?
It is possible, as Theresa Eva and her sister Mary Ann Shea ended up around Toowoomba. Theresa died in 1977.
Do you mean sister Sarah Ann, as I think it was Mary Agnes who was her sister.
Jamjar
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Do you mean sister Sarah Ann, as I think it was Mary Agnes who was her sister.
Jamjar
Sorry. Yes I do mean Sarah Ann... To late at night to be looking at computer...
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Do you mean sister Sarah Ann, as I think it was Mary Agnes who was her sister.
Jamjar
Sorry. Yes I do mean Sarah Ann... To late at night to be looking at computer...
Beats watching TV. I haven't had a telly since 1993. ;D
Jamjar
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This may be a red herring, but just in case they are part of the Shea family....
I've just indexed (for Ryerson Index) a 1993-Nov-12 funeral notice for Alice May SHEA (known as May) with husband Victor, in Toowoomba. Victor's FN is on Ryerson in 1995.
'Migration' from Grafton area to Toowoomba is quite feasible - not that far as the crow flies, in Oz terms of distance :)
If you think there's any connection let me know your email, by PM, and I'll send you a copy.
Dawn M
Hi Dawn,
Does it say anything about family - father, mother, children etc ?
It is possible, as Theresa Eva and her sister Mary Ann Shea ended up around Toowoomba. Theresa died in 1977.
Yes it names some children and spouses but as they may be still living, I can't put their names up here. No sisters etc though. Which is why I can only email it to you.
May was 87, and her husband Victor Frederick SHEA who died in 1995 was then 81 and living at Clifton which is between Toowoomba and Warwick.
Dawn M
Dawn M
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Dawn, where do you see Victor Frederick in Grafton?
Jamjar
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Beats watching TV. I haven't had a telly since 1993. ;D
Jamjar
I have to agree with you there. I usually don't have a TV, however I do enjoy the odd doco.
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Beats watching TV. I haven't had a telly since 1993. ;D
Jamjar
I have to agree with you there. I usually don't have a TV, however I do enjoy the odd doco.
Couldn't agree more! We haven't had a telly since 1983. ;D
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Dawn, where do you see Victor Frederick in Grafton?
Jamjar
??? I didn't. ??? Ryerson extract says Clifton (& formerly Toowoomba)
Dawn M
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Dawn, where do you see Victor Frederick in Grafton?
Jamjar
??? I didn't. ??? Ryerson extract says Clifton (& formerly Toowoomba)
Dawn M
I see. I took the following as you suggesting that they had moved from Grafton.
" 'Migration' from Grafton area to Toowoomba is quite feasible - not that far as the crow flies, in Oz terms of distance :)"
Jamjar
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No, sorry, I just was pointing out to the OP that it could have happened, not that it did :) :) :)
And that the distance is not prohibitive, in Oz terms :P :P :P
Dawn M
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Hi,
We have a bit more information about Denis Shea and Mary Shea (née Taylor) and their children.
They had James, Robert, Mary Anne (Agnes perhaps), Theresa Eva, William, Sarah Anne, Elizabeth Margaret and Delia Irene.
My ancestress is Mary Anne/Agnes but here is where it gets interesting.....
Mary married Carl Rauch and had Raymond in 1912 and Mary (Mollie) in 1914.
BUT in 1909 Mary Anne had my great grandmother, Gladys Eileen Shea out of wedlock with no father recorded. We didn’t know that she was adopted until last year! What a shock.
Interestingly Gladys was adopted by CYRIL GORDON HART and Leah May Curren. The Hart family keeps popping up everywhere we look - with Theresa, Mary Anne’s sister living with Richard Cecil Hart and Shea sisters buried next to Hart sisters in the cemetery.
Does anyone have any information about Cyril Gordon Hart (b.1886 d. 1960) or any information about the relationship between the Hart family and the Shea family
Thanks
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Welcome to Rootschat.
There are some interesting things on TROVE re: Cyril.
1920, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article136373327
1930, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article236718297
1938, 2nd last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206755282
1940, somewhat detailed: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article169104414
Divorce 1941, 3rd last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17733323
Marriage: 5480/1884 HART Frederick to LEEPER Mary A KIAMA
Children:
22838/1884 HART Frederick parents FREDERICK and MARY A WOLLONGONG
24257/1886 HART Cyril G parents FREDERICK and MARY A WOLLONGONG
Marriage: 5564/1910 HART Cyril G to CURRER Leah M MARRICKVILLE
Children:
13019/1913 Robert C
46342/1914 James H
3329/1918 Leonard F
25268/1887 HART Arthur T L parents FREDERICK H and MARY A WOONONA
24682/1889 HART William K parents FREDERICK H and MARY A WOONONA
18194/1896 HART Mary G parents FREDERICK H and MARY A WOONONA
37072/1897 HART Joseph F parents FREDERICK H and MARY A WOONONA
8633/1899 HART Margaret A parents FREDERICK H and MARY A WOONONA
I don’t see any NSW Hart/Shea marriages, up to 1968. Nor, Currer/Shea (note that she is registered at birth and marriage as CURRER - as are her siblings - not CURREN. Deaths also as CURRER. Her mother remarried as CURRER, in 1910)
Jamjar
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Does anyone have any information about Cyril Gordon Hart (b.1886 d. 1960) or any information about the relationship between the Hart family and the Shea family
Thanks
Hi,
Richard Cecil Hart and Theresa Shea are my great-grandparents.
I do not have any information on Cyril Gordon Hart - didn't know he existed until now.
i do have info on Denis coming out to AU, where and when they lived after leaving Ireland and moving to AU.
Mary's middle name was Agnes from what I had found out.
Cecil and Theresa shacked up after Theresa had already had her first child, and they had 2 boys together. However Theresa's first child I do not know who the father is.
Cecil and Theresa never married, or at least I could never find any record of this.
Sarah Ann moved to Millmerran, QLD to be with her sister Theresa after her husband died.
I am curious if you have any info on Theresa or her siblings - what they did, where they ended up etc or any of the ancestors from Ireland - Denis's grandfather Micheal was irish, but have no info on DOB, where born, parents, siblings, wife etc.
Theresa's son said he knew very little, but that he thought that Robert was a cop, and that one of the sisters died young by taking her own life, probably Delia.
PM me if you want.
cya
Dave