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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: davonz on Friday 06 October 17 08:54 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am searching for my paternal grandfathers family.
All we know is:
Harold Herbert Anderson b 1908 Gladesville, Sydney, NSW, AU, d 1989 Tauranga NZ.
He was always known as Herb / Herbert...
Father William John Anderson d circa 1920
Mother Florence Wright d circa 1911
Brother Arthur - was older. Arthur looked after Herbert when the father died until Herbert run away after a disagreement.
Sisters, 3 x all named after flowers.
Herbert married Eileen Mary Mulhurn on 25 Nov 1939 in Auckland, NZ
We can not find any birth certificates etc for him or any of his family. My grandmother wrote to BDM NSW and got a reply back stating there is no record of Herbert - this was to prove his age for the pension.
What physical documents I do have or confirmed info:
Tax stamp book from Victoria, in the name of H Anderson which shows he worked at Irymple Packing Company in 1933 and 1934, which is in Irymple, VIC, close to Mildura. His address is stated as Merbein, VIC in the tax book.
He was working at Eurolie Station, Hay NSW, when my grandmother meet him. She worked there too as a governess. He was still working there in 1938 as I have a Eurolie Partoral Company wage slip with dates on it from Jan to Nov 1938. There is also a electoral roll entry that backs this up.
My grandmother met Rose his sister in Melbourne, AU, in the 1930's.
His marriage certificate states:
Name: Harold Herbert Anderson
Age: 31
Birth Place: Sydney
Father: William John Anderson, Seaman
Mother: Florence Anderson, nee Wright
I have asked my uncles and aunties if they know anything, and they have all told me that he would tell them anything when they asked.
My father, uncle and myself have all done DNA tests, which have turned up nothing on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FamilyTreeDNA and GEDMatch.
Any information or help would be amazing..
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Hello
It looks like his birth could be registered in South Australia
This from Australia Births
Herbert Harold Anderson
Birth Date: Abt 1907-1916
Birth Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1907-1916
Registration Place: South Australia, Australia
Father: Anderson
Page Number: 275
There a re a couple of possible entries for Arthur but the index gives no details of parents and is just 1907-1916. Best I can find-sorry
Ciderdrinker
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I have a CD from SA - It gives Herbert Harold Anderson born 6 Mar 1914 mother Selina Anderson, no father given book 930 page 275 born North Adelaide
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Hello
It looks like his birth could be registered in South Australia
This from Australia Births
Herbert Harold Anderson
Birth Date: Abt 1907-1916
Birth Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1907-1916
Registration Place: South Australia, Australia
Father: Anderson
Page Number: 275
There a re a couple of possible entries for Arthur but the index gives no details of parents and is just 1907-1916. Best I can find-sorry
Ciderdrinker
I think that is a 1914 birth with no father and mother Selina Anderson
Jamjar
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I'm wondering if they were born out of Australia.
Jamjar
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Could you post all the children's names, if deceased.
If not could you PM them, please?
From where have you got the approx dates of death for Florence and William and where did they die?
Jamjar
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Hello
It looks like his birth could be registered in South Australia
This from Australia Births
Herbert Harold Anderson
Birth Date: Abt 1907-1916
Birth Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1907-1916
Registration Place: South Australia, Australia
Father: Anderson
Page Number: 275
There a re a couple of possible entries for Arthur but the index gives no details of parents and is just 1907-1916. Best I can find-sorry
Ciderdrinker
This is not the person of interest. This man died in 1970 and served in WW2.
Just a gentle reminder that we are expected to transcribe from other websites which includes subscription only genealogy sites.
Cando
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I'm wondering if they were born out of Australia.
Jamjar
We have wondered that also. He gave no clues. He did talk about the name Anderson coming from Sweden. Whether that means he came from Sweden or not no one knows.
We also wondered if he had done something bad or in trouble with the law and changed his name - however he never seemed like that kind of person.
He talked about wandering around the outback during the depression. So I guess he could have come to AU as a teenager or in early 20's.
He told mum one day he was raised by aborigines when she was asking about his family (he also said why would I tell you anything if I won't tell my own children), so we wondered if he had aboriginal blood in him, but dad's and my DNA tests have ruled that out. Ancestors from northern europe and UK.
I have wondered if maybe he was born in UK or Europe and immigrated, but I haven't found any records.
My Grandmother also said there was a Florence Wright who run a boarding house in Melbourne where he stayed, so maybe he just picked her name to put on the wedding certificate.
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Could you post all the children's names, if deceased.
If not could you PM them, please?
From where have you got the approx dates of death for Florence and William and where did they die?
Jamjar
All his siblings I am guessing are dead. According to him their names where:
Arthur
Rose
2 x more girls named after flowers. (mum seems to think one may have been called Ivy.)
We don't if the girls name were real names, or maybe second names.
The mother died when he was very young. The father when he was in his teens.
All Herbs children are still alive living in NZ and AU. And they all know nothing.
There is an AU military record from 1916 for Arthur William Anderson, who has listed as next of kin his father William John Anderson, of Glebe Road, Glebe Point, Glebe NSW. But I have no idea if this is a match or not.
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Did his family celebrate his birthday.....what day and month?
Can you please list everything on the marriage certificate, 1939.
Details about Eileen will be useful.
Why did they move to NZ, and then marry, if they met in NSW?
Did he give his own name, Herbert / Harold to a son? Did he name a son Arthur, a daughter Florence, Rose etc.....might suggest degree of attachment to his own family.
I do not want to identify living sons and daughters, but can you consider their names with this purpose.
If the birth certificates of his children ask for age and birthplace of father, are these records consistent for age and birthplace (name of informant is useful here).
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Did his family celebrate his birthday.....what day and month?
Can you please list everything on the marriage certificate, 1938.
Details about Eileen will be useful.
Why did they move to NZ, and then marry, if they met in NSW?
Did he give his own name, Herbert / Harold to a son? Did he name a son Arthur, a daughter Florence, Rose etc.....might suggest degree of attachment to his own family.
I do not want to identify living sons and daughters, but can you consider their names with this purpose.
If the birth certificates of his children ask for age and birthplace of father, are these records consistent for age and birthplace (name of informant is useful here).
Yes they celebrated his birthday - 6th Nov, it was easy to remember because of Guy Fawkes was day before.
His marriage certificate states:
Reg No: 2975 District of Auckland
St Benedict Church
Name: Harold Herbert Anderson
Age: 31
Rank or Profession: Labourer
Bachelor
Birth Place: Sydney
Father: William John Anderson, Seaman
Mother: Florence Anderson, nee Wright
Name: Eileen Mary Veronica Mulhern
Age: 32
Rank or Profession:
Spinister
Birth Place: Opotiki
Father: Patrick Joseph Mulhern
Mother: Isabella Mulhern, nee Parkinson
Marriage was solemnised between:
Herbert Harold Anderson & Eileen Mary Veronica Mulhern.
In the presents of: William Frederick Thatcher & Nora Bacon
The only thing abnormal on marriage certificate is his name is stated as Harold Herbert in names of parties, however Herbert Harold in solemnised between.
They moved to NZ because my grandmother was originally from NZ. She went home, and he followed here. They ended up moving on to the family farm as Eileens father had died a few years before and her brothers had enlisted for WWI so they looked after the farm while the boys were away at war.
2 of his sons have second names of Herbert and William - no other info except for mother's and father's name on their birth certificates. No age or birth place of parents etc on birth certificates. Name of Sponsors are John & Molly Mulhern - Eileens brother and his wife.
Herbert did go back to AU once to see the melbourne cup in early 60's (maybe 63) - by boat, he wouldnt fly.
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Just found the Electoral Roll for 21st Oct 1936.
Commonwealth division of Darling.
17. Herbert Harold Anderson, Eurolie, Hay, station hand, M
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There is an AU military record from 1916 for Arthur William Anderson, who has listed as next of kin his father William John Anderson, of Glebe Road, Glebe Point, Glebe NSW
If this is the brother, then the father didn't die in his teens.
Jamjar
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There is an AU military record from 1916 for Arthur William Anderson, who has listed as next of kin his father William John Anderson, of Glebe Road, Glebe Point, Glebe NSW
If this is the brother, then the father didn't die in his teens.
Jamjar
That i do not know. Its the only match I can find with an arthur and a william john. Glebe is close to Gladesville.. Was just clutching at straws..
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There is an AU military record from 1916 for Arthur William Anderson, who has listed as next of kin his father William John Anderson, of Glebe Road, Glebe Point, Glebe NSW
If this is the brother, then the father didn't die in his teens.
Jamjar
That i do not know. Its the only match I can find with an arthur and a william john. Glebe is close to Gladesville.. Was just clutching at straws..
Could you direct me to the record, as I can't see it on NAA. What is his military number?
Jamjar
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Could you direct me to the record, as I can't see it on NAA. What is his military number?
Jamjar
I found it years ago. There is a number on the top of 19227 - maybe a V infront of it. If you cant see it let me know and I will scan it and put on a server with a link so you can view it.
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https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=1974354
Does that help?
JM
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V19227, ANDERSON, Arthur William
Attested Melbourne Victoria,7th February, 1916, a Waiter, aged 23 years 10 months, born Glebe, single, nok his father, Mr William John ANDERSON, 240 Glebe Road, Glebe Point, GLEBE. . ‘Apparently Deserted, discharged prior to leaving Australia.’
JM
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https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=1974354
Does that help?
JM
Thats is the one I found. Has name of father and brother in common. But i dont know if its Herbs arthur and william john. Its the only thing I ever found apart from electoral roll entries for Herb.
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https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=1974354
Does that help?
JM
Thanks JM.
It says he enlisted in Melbourne and Rose was said to have been met up with in Victoria, so did the whole family move there?
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It says he enlisted in Melbourne and Rose was said to have been met up with in Victoria, so did the whole family move there?
I have no idea. All I know is Eileen said she meet Rose in melbourne in the 1930's.