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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: Tjapaltjarri on Friday 06 October 17 12:23 BST (UK)
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I came across this couple when researching for a friend.
Donald MacAskill was born circa 1882 and his wife Lizzie nee Macphee in around 1885. They appear to have had two children, Malcolm ca 1920 and Mary Margaret ca 1922.
I have been unable to find a marriage for Donald and Lizzie nor a record of their children's births.
Nor have I been able to find them on the Scottish censuses.
Any help in solving this mystery would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Howdie
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There is a marriage for a Donald McAskill to a Lizzie McPhee 1915 Boisdale using fuzzy matching on Scotlands People Ref 118/36
Birth for a Malcolm McAskill 1919 Boisdale ref 118/316
Might be worth a try
Rosie
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Ooh er,
Thanks for that Rosie. I thought I had used the surname variants tab - but maybe not :-(
Best wishes,
Howard
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Your welcome if you get the marriage certificate and you are still looking for help finding this couple on the census forms just post details of their parent's names and we can have a look for you
Rosie
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Howard, with the info you have provided, there are two death showing with mother's name of MacPhee:
Mary Margaret, aged 85, died in Boisdale in 2007
Malcolm, aged 86, died in Vale Of Leven in 2006
Monica
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Malcolm (Calum) seems to have died a bachelor at Smerclate, S/U;
http://www.hallancemeterysouthuist.co.uk/view-grave.php?num=2028
Marriage
MACASKILL MARY MARGARET
MACINNES ALEXANDER
1947
097/3 3
North Morar
Mary Margaret (m/s MacAskill) MacInnes aka Margaret d 24/10/2007
Buried with son Michael (young man of 53 yrs sadly) d 06/01/2008
http://www.hallancemeterysouthuist.co.uk/view-grave.php?num=2025
Annie
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Eliza/Elizabeth/Lizzie's mother was Mary MacDonald (unmarried) i.e. Lizzie was born Eliza MacDonald 15/04/1884 but obviously used her father's name in life.
Donald & Elizabeth/Eliza/Lizzie had 2 more children besides Malcolm & Margaret.
Their son was named after Donald's father & their dau was named after Lizzie herself ;)
MCASKILL BETSY 1914
118/3 14 Boisdale
MCASKILL JAMES 1917
118/3 39 Boisdale
Annie
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Thanks Annie,
I've got Eliza's marriage certificate and on that she gives her father's name as Malcolm Mcphee, farm labourer. I don't think her parents ever married. Mary always appears on the census as her maiden name.
The only Malcom Macphee I found on South Uist in the census was a Malcolm Macphee aged 17 years living at 12 Smerclate in 1881 working as a farm worker on a farm there. That would give him a birth in 1863/4. There was one in Barra around that time but I doubt I shall ever track Mr Macphee down. It is possible he moved to Glasgow.
Kind regards,
Howard
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I've got Eliza's marriage certificate and on that she gives her father's name as Malcolm Mcphee, farm labourer.
The only Malcom Macphee I found on South Uist in the census was a Malcolm Macphee aged 17 years living at 12 Smerclate in 1881 working as a farm worker on a farm there. That would give him a birth in 1863/4.
No. 12 is the Schedule No. & his PoB is given as S/Uist
James MacAskill's family are 4 crofts away (Sch. No. eight) at Croft. No 406/2
The croft was divided between brothers Roderick & James (Donald's father).
Possible births...
MACPHEE MALCOLM 1864 (most likely I think)?
118/3 7 Boisdale
MACPHEE MALCOLM 1862 (age a bit out)
118/1 29 Benbecula
Couldn't find him on Uist in 1871 but...
A possible;
MCPHEE MALCOLM 6
108/ 5/ 6 Barra, Inverness
Living with widowed mother Johanna 30 & siblings John 9, Hector 8, William 5, Catherine 4 & Mary 1.
PoB now given as Barra but there are no births for that name in 1864 +/- 2yrs on Barra.
I haven't checked Benbecula census yet.
Annie
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A possible for 1891?
MCPHEE MALCOLM 26
644/12 1/ 12 Gorbals, Lanark
Annie
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Thanks Annie,
I'll get the Boisdale birth cert and see what it says. Is it possible Johanna was married on the 1861 census for Barra? or Boisdale? I shall have to look and see if I can find it.
Kind regards,
Howard
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I have the Boisdale birth certificate.
Malcolm Macphee born 26 Feb 1864 illegitimate son of Catherine Macphee, domestic servant. Kilpheder, South Uist.
Howard
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I've looked on the 1861 census for Kilpheder and it looks as if Catherine Macphee was then the sixteen year old daughter of James and Margaret Macphee who kept the Inn at Kilpheder.
Howard
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Howard,
Did you notice if there was a RCE on the birth for Malcolm?
A RCE now shows as something like 'Correction' (I can't remember exactly) but it will be above the header with his name.
I know some people often don't notice it i.e. worth a check?
I will check my transcriptions to see what's what but Johanna has children born post 1861 the youngest being Mary aged 1 in 1871.
Annie
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This marriage would fit Johanna from the 1871 census.
1859
MCPHEE RODERICK
MCGILL JOAN
108/ 8
Barra
I don't know if Roderick was related to James MacPhee 50 (Innkeeper) but in 1861 in the household of James with dau Catherine 16 there's a Chirsty MacPhee 23, Domestic Servant & Flora MacPhee 30, Ag. Lab both born Barra
James MacPhee has his PoB as S/U on 1861 but he is listed in 1851 at Croft 287 Kilpheder as being from Borve, Barra :-\
James' father is named as Neil.
Roderick 25 (PoB Barra) & Joan MacPhie 22 are at Glen, Barra 1861.
Annie
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Annie,
Smerclate to Kilpheder, home to 4 % of the world's breeding population of corn crakes and Barra, homeland of pirates. All very exciting.
I note on the 1901 census that Catherine Macphee is unmarried and living with her brother Norman and his family in Kilpheder. Malcolm Macphee is married with children and living on Barra. (No RCE on Malcolm's birth registration)
I am trying to work out the relationship if any between James Macphee (year of birth variable between 1809 and 1813/5) and Johanna's husband Roderick Macphee but there is from what you've found an enduring connection between James and his family in Kilpheder with the Macphees in Barra.
Very many thanks for all your hard work.
Regards,
Howard
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Howard...
After much searching & checking MacPhee households, I'm sure I have found your Malcolm listed with his mother & g/parents at Croft 322 Kilpheder & it helpfully gives his birth yr as 1864! ;D
Catherine was not a young mother as her b yr is given as 1823 (d 1899) i.e. would have been c 40 yrs when Malcolm was born :P
Her parents were Neil MacPhee c1780 d c1845 & Ann MacAulay c1791 d 1877 who had 11 of a family!
Malcolm seems to disappear i.e. possibly immigrated? There are a few on Immigration & Travel on Fancestry but I don't have a prescription ;D
I haven't checked English census' either.
Curiosity was too much & I checked this death which turned out not to be him :( ...
MACPHEE MALCOLM 26
1892
644/9 803 Kelvin
There's another 2 which are probably not him with cross checking births & census info.
This would be worthwhile...
www.oldscottish.com/south-uist.html
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvy/
I can post more on the family if interested?
Just to add, Catherine's brother Donald married my g g/aunt Janet Currie & they immigrated to Ontario, Canada 1850s.
Annie
Added...It was very common for illegitimate children to take the surname of their father in later life i.e. a Uist haystack possibly ::)
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'If I'd known then what I know now'...
Plenty of info. here ;)
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alexmacphee/macphee/d1.html
Sadly nothing further on Malcolm ::)
Annie
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Annie,
ooh heck, how did you find that and are they (Malcolm & mother & g/parents) on the census? or is this from crofting records?
I note you have all the same South Uist surnames as my friend Mary except she doesn't have the Walkers and has Morrisons - is this purely a coincidence or is it true that all South Uisters are related somehow?
I looked for a corresponding death and couldn't find one. Didn't check England & Wales or deaths at sea though. Will have another look.
Mercy me and you found another reference to Malcolm's birth with family members in Canada - many, many thanks for that.
You really are a marvel.
Warmest thanks,
Howard
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Howard, I have to go out for now...
Mary's mother & my father are 2nd cousins!
She will be descended from Walker through her mother's line & Morrison on both her Mother & Father's lines although I haven't found a connection with both to each other as records don't go back far enough.
Yes, the Croft History Book, that's a great help for research!
Annie
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Thanks Annie,
When I thought about it I thought it must be you :D
Thank you so much,
Howard
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Well Howard...
I was thinking 'that name is familiar' but I couldn't think where from & as soon as you mentioned my surname interests & 'friend Mary' the 'd' dropped! ;)
We meet again ;D...so are the MacAskills et al ancestors on Mary's paternal line?
I can't remember what I sent on Mary's mother's line although I'm sure what I sent would have included Mary Walker as Mary & I share her as our 3 x g g/mother, us being 3rd cousins :-\
I can re-send anything if you need?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
No, the Macaskills are part of a friend of a friend of Mary.
I've found it now on your Mackinnon line, it had just fallen out of my memory banks. Mary daughter of Donald Walker married 1822.
My other recent post is on Mary's maternal line ;-)
Best,
Howard