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Not getting much traction in location the burials of Sarah Frances Reeves nee Lyons & her husband James Dansey/Dunsey Reeves.
As per the QLD BDM electoral rolls Sarah's death was registered in 1984. The 1980 Electoral Roll has Sarah & her husband, a salesman living at 24 Maryvale St Townsville.
I am unable to locate James death nor a burial and actually I am not getting much traction on them as a family. According to their marriage certificate James was born about 1896 in Penge, Kent, England and as yet I have not located his birth.
All assistance gratefully received.
Westy
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Hi,
Belgian Gardens Cemetery, Townsville.
Sarah Francis REEVES, 87.
Buried, 28th August 1984.
Section, A, Sub Div, 4, Row, N/A, Grave No 419.
James George REEVES, 71.
Buried, 21st July 1967.
Section, A, Sub Div, 4, Row, N/A, Grave No 419.
James Dansey REEVES, 62.
Buried, 3rd September 1992.
Section, A, Sub Div, 4, Row, N/A, Grave No 420.
There are other REEVES burials.
Gerry
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Hello Gerry,
Thanks so much and rather interesting.
I am wondering if James Dansey Reeves age is correct and perhaps he is a son named after his father? The record notes:
James Dansey REEVES, 62.
Buried, 3rd September 1992.
This would mean this James was born in 1930. James & Sarah were married in 1923 so this must be a son??
The person:
James George REEVES, 71.
Buried, 21st July 1967.
Would have been born about 1896 which lines up with what I know about James Dansey Reeves.
Your thoughts?
What other Reeves are buried there??? Does it give any indication of a relationship to Sarah & her husband??
Westy
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Hi westy....
James George Reeves b 1895 Croydon reg district mmn Chalf.
William Alfred Reeves married Elizabeth Emma Chalf in 1889 St Saviour district
Tazzie
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See WW1 AIF enlistment 3367 REEVES James, father NOK address PENGE Kent
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Hi Westy,
Hope this works.
https://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/facilities-and-recreation/cemeteries
Gerry
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Hello Tassie & Wivenhoe;
Great finds and many thanks.
Westy
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Hello Gerry,
That worked a treat and many thanks.
I wonder if anyone will ever photograph the headstones?
Westy
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Westy,
1941 Newspaper.
James Dansey REEVES (11)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71439978?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Gerry,
Thanks so much. It looks like Sarah & James named a son after his father.
Westy
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Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate, 1923, Queensland.
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Yes as follows with James's information presented first followed by Sarah's information:
Names:
James Dunsey Reeves
Sarah Frances Lyons
Date of Marriage: 6 June 1923 Bundaberg, Queensland
Condition:
Bachelor
Spinster
Birthplace:
Penge, Kent, England
Logboy, Burnett, Queensland
Rank or Profession:
Forest Ranger
Counterhand
Age:
27 years
26 years
Usual Place of Residence:
Kalliwa Forest Station, Mount Perry
Taabinga Village
Father and Mothers Names:
William Albert Reeves
Ethel Warden
James Lyons
Catherine Meehan
Father's Rank or Profession:
Construction Engineer
Retired Storekeeper
Westy
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Hi,
Reeve's house up for auction after they were married.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/217110513?searchTerm=
Gerry
Added, 3rd column across down a bit.
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Thanks so much Gerry.
Westy
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What names do you see for witnesses, marriages certificate, 1923............what church?.
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Sarah's sister Norah Ester aka Honoria Ester and James O'Donohue.
The couple were married in the Catholic Church of the Holy Rosary, Bundaberg.
Westy
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Sarah's sister Norah Ester aka Honoria Ester and James O'Donohue.
The couple were married in the Catholic Church of the Holy Rosary, Bundaberg.
Westy
Hi,
If you would be kind enough to use upper case when a surname is typed, it would always be a help in a clear reading of your posts. ;D
It is the "usual way" in the forum.
Was the woman Norah (Honoria) ESTER or was she Norah (Honoria) Ester SURNAME or was she Norah (Honoria) Ester O'DONAHUE?
Sue
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The woman whom James George (AKA Dansey) REEVES, says was mother at his marriage died in 1955.
Here is her probate record from an Ancestry search facility for England and Wales.
REEVES, Ethel Emily of 57 Arpley Rd. Penge, London, widow died 19th March 1955 at St John's cottages. Probate London 14th April to Mabel Rose TOOKEY, widow. Effects £422 -15 -10.
Sue
EDIT-
Deaths Mar 1955
REEVES Ethel E
Aged 77
At Bromley
5b/162
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Thanks so much Sparrett.
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I do not have access to the 1939 register, but the glimpse I can see shows both Ethel and William A REEVES at Penge. So his death has come after that year.
What do you believe was the man's correct name?
Hi westy....
William Alfred Reeves married Elizabeth Emma Chalf in 1889 St Saviour district
Tazzie
This is correct with the additional and fuller information-
December quarter
Vol 1d page 103
Father and Mothers Names:
William Albert Reeves
Ethel Warden
For your interest the mother's maiden name on all three births of the sons is CHALF.
Do you need the details?
Sue
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Hi Sue,
According to the marriage certificate the father was William Albert.
Yes I would appreciate the information for the 3 boys.
Interesting in the 1911 census William & Ethel said they had no children.
Archive reference: RG14; Registration district: Croydon; Registration district number: 39 Enumeration district: 9: District number: 9; Sub district: Penge; Sub district number: 5; Census reference: RG14PN3413 RG78PN128 RD39 SD5 ED9 SN81; RG78 code number: 128; Piece number: 3413
The address was the same as the 1901 and also the death and Probate you have kindly provided.
Your thoughts?
Westy
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That is because they did not have children.
The column heading is "children born alive to the present marriage"
There were none.
The children were born to Elizabeth CHALF.
Sue
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Well Sue,
That sorts that one out!
Thanks heaps for your insightful input.
Westy
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The sons as requested.
REEVES, William Albert
Mother Maiden Surname CHALF
GRO Reference 1891
S Quarter in BROMLEY
Vol02A Pg 407
REEVES, Charles Henry
Mother Maiden Surname CHALF
GRO Reference 1893
M Quarter in CROYDON
Vol 02A Pg 281
REEVES, James George
Mother Maiden Surname CHALF
GRO Reference 1895
S Quarter in CROYDON
Vol 02A Pg 282
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Sue thanks so much. :)
You have successfully pulled me back from the brink of a big mistake and reaffirmed for me I should put everything away and go and clear my head. ;D
Family History is not the place to make mistakes due to muddy thinking. :'(
Westy
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I think this is your REEVES family -
At All Saints Church Newington Surrey marriage 25 Dec 1889
REEVES William Alfred , 23 yrs, bachelor, labourer, father William Alfred, contractor
9 Arthur Road Beckenham
CHALF Elizabeth 21 yrs, spinster, father William, cook.
7 Chilton St
Witnesses James CONNER, Emma Emily JACKSON.
Census 1891 at 29 Thessigar (??) Rd Beckenham
REEVES William, head, 24yrs general labourer b. Penge Surrey
REEVES Elizabeth, wife, 22 yrs b. Poplar London
JACKSON Harriet, cousin, 19yrs general servant, b. Limehouse.
The JACKSON connection suggested here should be with the REEVES family, but people were often more inclusive with family description, so Harriet might be a cousin to Elizabeth.
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To be sure Wivenhoe: the father's name is REEVES William Alfred and not REEVES William Albert? ???
I need to get this right ;D
Westy
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The mother of ELizabeth CHALF (nee JONES) died in 1880
Dec 1880
CHALF Elizabeth
Aged 37
At Poplar 1c/ 462
It is not relevant to your query, but briefly, it appears that her widowed husband William Samuel CHALF, may have taken up residency in USA in later life.
He was a ship's steward and can be seen travelling at least once to Australia ;D
The burial of Elizabeth, his wife is listed on Tower Hamlets Cemetery Register.
Other family members occupy the private grave also.
The writing is very difficult, but I will try to list their names. May be quite incorrect.
James George JONES
James W. FOWLER
Elizabeth DENNIS
Elizabeth JONES
? A STUTT
ADDING
I do not think any of the interred here are the missing Elizabeth REEVES.
Sue
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Thanks so much Sue.
It all becomes relevant. For example its possible James George was named after James George JONES.
Much appreciated Sue.
Westy
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Just revisited this thread to find it's moved back into my area. From some Electoral Rolls for 57 Arpley Rd:
1939-51: Ethel Emily & William Albert REEVES
1952-55: Ethel Emily REEVES and F D & N V D*
1956-57: F D & N V D and R P C & S M C*
* just giving initials as we're moving into possible living people territory. If these suggest relatives, I'll PM the full names.
The above confirm Ethel's death in 1955 and suggest William died between November 1950 and November 1951 (qualifying dates for 1951 & 1952 ERs). I can't see mention of his dob above, so hard to identify him on FreeBMD. The most likely burial place is Beckenham Crematorium & Cemetery, but I don't seem to have come across a Reeves grave, not that I've recorded all of them!
Other Jottings:
a) It's Thesiger Road. No 29 was a general shop, maybe with a flat above. Almost all the houses/shops were flattened in WW2 bombing.
b) Arthur Road was renamed Churchfields Road in 1907. No 9 suffered the same fate.
c) Arpley Road fell victim to post-war town planners and no longer exists. It had an interesting and somewhat colourful history.
d) I don't see any names from the above at St John's Cottages around 1955, and can't suggest why Ethel died there.
If the above looks promising, I'll see what else I can find.
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Hello Chris,
Thanks heaps. A PM on its way.
Westy