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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Westy11 on Saturday 07 October 17 14:40 BST (UK)
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Hoping for some assistance to locate the birth/baptism for James Dansey/Dunsey Reeves who said he was born in Penge, Kent to parents of William Albert Reeves and Ethel Warden.
James migrated to Australia and married in 1923 in Bundaberg, Queensland. His age was given as 27 years.
A related post at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=780202.0
Westy
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You need to read the other thread again, his name was James George REEVES.
REEVES, JAMES GEORGE
Mother's maiden name:CHALF
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 282
Electoral rolls show him as James Dansey from 1922 to 1937, and after that until his death he was James George.
Debra :)
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Ah now that does make sense. :-[
I wonder why the different name and mother?
Westy
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Census 1901 England at 57 Arpley St (same address as W A Reeves, NOK, WW1 James Reeves AIF)
REEVES William general labourer 33 years b. Penge Surrey
REEVES Ethel 23 years b. Penge
REEVES William 9 years b. Beckenham
REEVES Charles 7 years b. Penge
REEVES James 5 years b. Penge
Interesting WW1 AIF enlistment?
REEVES Leonard Charles b. Kent, England
NOK mother ELizabeth REEVES Adelaide read the file.
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Hello Wivenhoe,
I am getting the feeling that James may have told a few tall tales in his life. For example he gave his father's occupation as Construction Engineer.
Now as to your advice to read the file for REEVES Leonard Charles b. Kent, England; it must be too late here as I am missing the point. That said I shall go to bed as its going on 1 am.
Many many thanks for everyone's contributions.
Westy
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Age 23 on enlistment in 1915 makes him 31 when he married in 1923...Another of his Porkies! ;D
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Yes and I don't think this is going to be the end of it either.
I wonder what he was like as a family man and if there was something in his background that predisposed him to 'stories' or if it was simply his personality?
Westy
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William Alfred REEVES and Elizabeth CHALF are parents of James George REEVES.
This couple separate, and William and Ethel are living together, no marriage that I can see for them.
William and Ethel raise the children found 1901 census, 57 Arpley St.
At marriage, 1923 QLD, James names Ethel as his mother....Ethel raised him.
At death of James, QLD, the informant has named Elizabeth CHALF as his mother .....James has passed on this information during his life.
You need to see the death certificate for James REEVES. The variations in age that you are seeing are insignificant. I do not think that you need to see any deliberate misinformation here.
If James identifies Ethel as mother, she must have been in his life for some time....mother to him.
So, where is Elizabeth REEVES nee CHALF?.
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have a look at the 1911 census [same address] where William & Ethel say they did not have children.
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Hello wivenhoe,
I thank you so very much for your assistance which has been invaluable as has Gerry's & Dundee.
Based on your recommendation I purchased the death certificate that demonstrates James George REEVES & James Dansey/Dunsey REEVES are one and the same which is a win as it resolves an anomaly.
I do think in some instances James deliberately sought to mislead; the reasons for which I don't know nor possibly will ever know. I say this because he deliberately gave different information in an official record [his marriage] for his name and his mother. That says to me a deliberate attempt to mislead.
It's not such an issue other than I do not like anomalies in my family tree; nothing more and nothing less.
Now the detective in me is curious as to his birth........ :o it never stops ;D :D
I will return to the other related post to see if I can take that forward to close any gaps in knowledge.
Once again thanks so much for your efforts on my behalf. :)
Westy
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Hello again Wivenhoe,
Have been pondering James ? Reeves and it occurs to me that perhaps James didn't know his real name or his moth wish ters maiden name or his father's occupation. There are many instances when people have found out things about themselves or their family much later in life so I concur; perhaps James was not telling fibs.
I don't wish to judge and now realise I fell into a trap of judging without all the facts. :o :'(
Westy
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I think that sometime in the late 1930s/early 1940s James has acquired a copy of his birth cert. The names of his parents given by the informant when he died are probably taken from that certificate.
The name Dansey/Danzil or similar appears to be a family name and that is how he came to be using it. He may have thought that it was his name through association with the family.
Here he is in 1911:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8P-7LJ
His cousin by the same name, born 1910 (father Alfred was William Snr's brother)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDW-5RW
The middle name is clearly 'Danzil' on the original.
His uncle's baptism in 1882, same name:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7RM-L4S
Debra :)
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".. I do not like anomalies in my family tree; nothing more and nothing less.
Now the detective in me is curious as to his birth......."
Can you appreciate the irony of this?. It is the anomalies that give you a clue to possibilities to follow in your research.
You are fortunate to see these two names recorded for origins, and events in the life, of your James REEVES.
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Ah Debra,
You are the gift that keeps on giving! :) :) :)
I had also come to that same conclusion given I had found a son named after his father indicating a family name of some importance.
Although I have a great grandfather who went by many names none of which he was baptised with and was really inconsistent in the naming and registering of his many children born to his wife [my great grandmother] and a number of other women.
He used variations of his father's middle name with the naming of a few of his children so his origins must have been important to him and perhaps he lacked the skill of attention to detail? ;D
My example of finding out many years later what is ones real name. ;D
Once again you have been wonderful in sorting out this apparent anomaly.
Regards,
Westy
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".. I do not like anomalies in my family tree; nothing more and nothing less.
Now the detective in me is curious as to his birth......."
Can you appreciate the irony of this?. It is the anomalies that give you a clue to possibilities to follow in your research.
You are fortunate to see these two names recorded for origins, and events in the life, of your James REEVES.
Ah Wivenhoe and that's exactly why I went looking because of the anomalies.
We are on the same page and many thanks for contributing greatly to the resolution of this query.
Westy
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I am distantly related to this family, with Henry Booker (a 4xGgf of mine) being a 2xGgf to James George Reeves.
James George Reeves had an uncle James Danziel Reeves, born 1882 at Beckenham.
As has been previously noted the name Danziel has been a family name for some time. The first note I have is of Danzel (more commonly used in earlier records) Booker born 1829 at Otford, Kent. Not sure of the origin of Danz(i)el or whether there are any earlier examples.
William Alfred Reeves married Elizabeth Emma Chalf on 25 December 1889 at All Saints Church, Newington, Surrey.
Maybe of some help,
Tony
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Hello Tony,
You then have cousins in Australia as a result of James & Sarah's union.
Westy
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Joining a fairly large club! Quite a few Bookers settled in Queensland and sadly, my brother passed away in the Sunshine State about 18 months ago.
Most of my relatives seem to have taken a liking to Queensland. I have a few scattered across the world but the majority have settled on Oz.
I haven't done much work on my paternal side of late but, if you want any help on the Bookers (a nightmare) please don't hesitate to get in touch.
Tony - 2nd Ggs of a Booker.
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Hello Tony,
My sincere condolences on the loss of your brother. :'(
I too live in Queensland and its a great place to live other than December - March.
Yes the club is large.
I don't have any BOOKERS' [as far as I know] but I have learned the world is small.
Regards,
Westy
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On a quick scout, Henry Hills Booker was the first to Australia in 1874. He travelled with his wife and one daughter. They had nine more daughters in Queensland but not one son! So, there disappears the Booker name. Henry passed away in 1892 at Beaudesert.
Tony
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To channel Trump "Sad". ;)