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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Seaton Smithy on Monday 09 October 17 03:22 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone.
This query follows on as a sideline from another query started here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772357.0
Although it's something of a distraction, I'm curious about some of the information I've found in a transcription of an 1871 census record. The background timeline to this query is:
- Philip Froom Burley is born in Exeter in 1833.
- In 1857 in St Columb Major he marries Ann Clapp, born St Columb Major in 1835.
- Children born to Philip and Ann are Margaret, 1857 St Columb Major, William John, 1860 St Columb Major, Philip Henry Froom, b 1863 & d 1864 Plymouth and Mary Annie, 1865 Plymouth.
- The 1861 census shows Philip and Ann with Margaret and William in St Columb Major.
- In 1864 Philip appears to serve time in Bodmin Gaol. He is shown as unemployed and having 3 children.
- Ann Burley dies in Plymouth in 1867.
- Philip marries Mary Retallick in Plymouth in 1868. Mary Retallick may be shown on the 1861 census as a servant in the home of George Tulley in Plymouth, age 25 born in St Austell. There do not appear to any children of this marriage and Mary Burley dies in Plymouth in 1875, age 40. The age at death suggests she could be Mary Retallick, born 1834 in St Columb Major, daughter of William Retallick.
- Philip marries Amelia Reid in Plymouth in 1877. Amelia is a widow born Amelia Tapp in Kingsbridge in 1834 who has had 9 children with her previous husband Isaac Reid, the third child being daughter Frances Amelia Reid born 1863 in Plymouth.
- Philip and Amelia appear on the 1881 census with Philip's son William (1860), several of Amelia's children including Frances and a child of their own, Ernest Burley, born about 1877 in Plymouth. Although Ernest also appears on subsequent census records I have not found his birth or baptism record.
- (As an aside, Philip's son William (1860) and Amelia's daughter Frances are married in Paddington in 1886.)
On familysearch.org I have found the following transcription of the 1871 census (with my notes):
Philip Burley U
Emma Burley Wife Head F 33 Plymouth, Devonshire (Expected entry: Mary, 37, St Columb Major)
William Burley Son M 14 Plymouth, Devonshire (Probable birth year 1856 - who is this?)
Margaret Burley Daughter F 13 Plymouth, Devonshire (Aligns with Margaret Burley born 1857, St Columb Major)
John Burley Son M 10 Plymouth, Devonshire (Aligns with William John Burley born 1860, St Columb Major)
Mary Ann Burley Daughter F 5 Plymouth, Devonshire (Aligns with Mary Annie Burley born 1865, Plymouth)
Freecen.org.uk doesn't have 1871 Devon records transcribed yet.
I searched on FindMyPast for Burley in Plymouth St Andrews and found index records for Emma, William, Margaret, John and Mary Ann but not Philip.
I cannot find this census record on Ancestry and as a result haven't viewed the original document.
The presence of Margaret, (possibly William) John and Mary Ann make it seem this is the right family, but the older William isn't on the 1861 census for Philip and having the wife as Emma age 33 is unexpected.
If anyone can point me at the 1871 census record on Ancestry it would be appreciated.
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Lovely transcription!!
Try searching under Emma Burry or Philip Builey
Glen
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Thanks, Glen - that'd be the one.
Much appreciated!
One for the "Worst Transcription" thread I think.
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The image has Philip crossed out, suggesting he wasn't there on the night - score one FindMyPast for not including him.
Other than that, the transcriptions reflect the image in terms of names and ages - the woman's name is clearly Emma age 33, although her birthplace seems to be Plympton as opposed to Plymouth recorded for the children.
I don't think seeing the image has made the information it contains any clearer, but at least I can say I viewed it. ???
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Hi
I've just completely stumbled upon this thread of yours last October, and I am quite curious if you got the information you were looking for.
I am a descendant of Amelia & her rather colourful husband, Isaac. I am also aware that after Isaac, died, somewhat prematurely, Amelia was remarried, to the chap you were looking for, Phillip Burley. I don't have a huge amount of information on him specifically, but thought I'd let you know of my familiarity of him, in case I could help with anything.
One thing that has really caught my eye in your post is the marriage of Isaac's daughter Frances to her (hoping I've got this right) step brother!! :o as I'd completely lost track of this particular Daughter. Could you expand on this at all please as I couldn't find any record of her marriage when I was trying to conclude her story.
Regards
Stewart
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new GRO index
Ernest REED registered Plymouth December Quarter 1876, Vol. 05B page 240 mothers maiden name TAPP.
When did Isaac Reid die?
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Hi
I've just completely stumbled upon this thread of yours last October, and I am quite curious if you got the information you were looking for.
I am a descendant of Amelia & her rather colourful husband, Isaac. I am also aware that after Isaac, died, somewhat prematurely, Amelia was remarried, to the chap you were looking for, Phillip Burley.
One thing that has really caught my eye in your post is the marriage of Isaac's daughter Frances to her (hoping I've got this right) step brother!! :o as I'd completely lost track of this particular Daughter. Could you expand on this at all please as I couldn't find any record of her marriage when I was trying to conclude her story.
I don’t know if this will help
Frances Amelia Reid married
30 Mar 1886
Marriage Place: St Augustine, Paddington, Westminster, England
Father: Isaac Reid
Spouse: William John Burley
Father Phillip Froom Burley
the marriage detail available to view on Anc*y can give you more details if you require
William Jno Burley
Age: 30
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1861
Spouse: Frances A Burley 28
Philip Jno Burley 4
William H Burley 2
Hubert J Burley 3mths
1891c RG12; Piece: 1135; Folio: 48; Page: 31
William J Burley 40
Francis A Burley 38
Philip J Burley 14
William H Burle 12
Herbert J Burley 10
Frances G Burle 5
1901c RG13; Piece: 1170; Folio: 8; Page: 7
BURLEY, HUBERT ISAAC mmn REID
1891 M Quarter in ETON BUCKS Volume 03A Page 676
BURLEY, FRANCIS GEORGE REID
1895 D Quarter in WINDSOR Volume 02C Page 422
BURLEY, DOROTHY FRANCES mmn REID
1902 J Quarter in WINDSOR Volume 02C Page 430
From GRO indexes give mother’s maiden name
Frances Amelia & William John Burley on Electoral Register Berkshire 1920/1925 living 24 Beaumont Road
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Thanks, Ladyhawk
Frances Amelia Reid married
30 Mar 1886
Marriage Place: St Augustine, Paddington, Westminster, England
Father: Isaac Reid
Spouse: William John Burley
Father Phillip Froom Burley
the marriage detail available to view on Anc*y can give you more details if you require
Rosetta Reid was one of the witnesses.
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Ernest REED registered Plymouth December Quarter 1876, Vol. 05B page 240 mothers maiden name TAPP.
When did Isaac Reid die?
Thanks, amondg
It appears Ernest used the surname Burley throughout his life.
Stewart may be able to confirm but I think Isaac's death is registered in Sept 1875 quarter in Tavistock as "Reed".
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This appears to be Frances death entry
Frances A Burley
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: abt 1863
Registration Date: Sep 1931
Registration district: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 329
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I am a descendant of Amelia & her rather colourful husband, Isaac. I am also aware that after Isaac, died, somewhat prematurely, Amelia was remarried, to the chap you were looking for, Phillip Burley. I don't have a huge amount of information on him specifically, but thought I'd let you know of my familiarity of him, in case I could help with anything.
Thanks, Stewart
My main interest is Phillip's second wife Mary Retallick. Phillip marries Mary in 1868 and Mary dies in 1875. I think she is the Mary Retallick born in St Columb Major, Cornwall in 1834.
I am puzzled that Phillip's wife on the 1871 census is shown as Emma born in Plympton (transcribed as Plymouth). If you have any insights into "Emma" I'd appreciate it.
The 1871 census also credits Phillip with an older child I can't otherwise account for.
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Some interesting & useful information there, Ladyhawk, especially about Frances as I'd lost track of her.
Unfortunately, I don't really have anything on Phillip Burley, before he Married Amelia. I can, however confirm that Isaac died aged 47 on the 10th August 1875. The death certificate confirms of Angina Pectoris & Fatty degeneration of the heart. I've always assumed that Alcohol may have played more than a significant part. As a prison warder at Dartmoor, I think he may have felt the need to numb his senses a bit, :-\ His name was incorrectly spelt "Reed"
Regards
Stewart