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Title: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Matt Wilson on Monday 09 October 17 16:18 BST (UK)
Hi guys, does anyone know when  Emily jane seward born 1875 devon died? she married Sidney john kingdon in Barnstaple 1904 before he moved to wales in 1906 and married someone else but I cant find her in 1911 census she might have changed name or married again, also an amy Winifred kingdon born 1904 and buried pilton 1904 might have been her daughter but subs has run out so cant check FindMyPast baptisms and she might have only listed herself and not father in baptism register, thanks for any help on the matter, driving me crazy.
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: lizdb on Monday 09 October 17 16:33 BST (UK)
Divorce was very unusual in that era.  When Sidney remarried did he describe himself as a divorcee or a widower?
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 09 October 17 16:34 BST (UK)
From the GRO web site (free to search)
KINGDON, AMY  WINIFRED     (no mothers maiden name listed which means she is possibly illegitimate ie. mothers maiden name Kingdon)    
1904  Dec Quarter in BARNSTAPLE  Volume 05B  Page 416
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: JJen on Monday 09 October 17 16:36 BST (UK)
Amy Winifred Kingdon was 22 days old when she was buried 05 Oct 1904.

GRO has Amy's birth (Vol 5b Page 416, Barnstable) no mother's maiden name.

There is another birth with the same name q1 1905, Barnstable MMN - Routcliffe.

JJ

Added - Have just seen that Rosie has posted similar info, apologies for duplicating  :)
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: JJen on Monday 09 October 17 16:42 BST (UK)
Amy Winifred Kingdon
Baptism date -14 Dec 1904
Baptism place - Pilton
Father - George, occ - Mason
Mother - Mary

Something seems a bit odd as the death is before the baptism, therefore they must be two different people.  ???

The above Amy must be the one whose birth was registered in q1 1905.

JJ
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: lizdb on Monday 09 October 17 16:45 BST (UK)
There is more than one Sidney John Kingdon around

Marriages:

Jan/Feb/Mar 1904 Barnstaple  only other one indexed with that page ref in Emily Jane Seward
Oct/Nov/Dec 1904 Exeter to Emily Webster or Edith Maude Guscott
Oct/Nov/Dec 1908 Swansea  to Sarah Jane Rees or Mary Emily Sullivan

Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Matt Wilson on Monday 09 October 17 16:47 BST (UK)
Thanks guys, Sidney listed his dad as deceased on the cert of his second marriage even though he didn't actually die till 30 years later and as sidney moved to wales I think there might have been an argument upsetting the family, maybe sidney was a bigamist but I thought amy Winifred kingdon might have been an abandoned daughter that Emily listed in her own name after Sidney moved away.
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: lizdb on Monday 09 October 17 16:49 BST (UK)
And how did Sidney describe himself?   "Widower" or "previous marriage dissolved"
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Matt Wilson on Monday 09 October 17 16:49 BST (UK)
Hi lizbd, I bought Sidneys marriage certs of jan 1904 and 1908 and they match the data I have on him but I haven't bought the oct 1904, maybe it was another Sidney john kingdon or maybe it was him but pretty desperate to marry two more women in short amount of time if it was him.
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Matt Wilson on Monday 09 October 17 16:50 BST (UK)
Bachelor.
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Matt Wilson on Monday 09 October 17 16:51 BST (UK)
But he had a son with Emily Sullivan who would later be his wife in 1907 called harry Sullivan.
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 09 October 17 16:55 BST (UK)
1911 from familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXG-P46
Is this them  :-\
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: lizdb on Monday 09 October 17 16:55 BST (UK)
Thanks guys, Sidney listed his dad as deceased on the cert of his second marriage even though he didn't actually die till 30 years later and as sidney moved to wales I think there might have been an argument upsetting the family, maybe sidney was a bigamist but I thought amy Winifred kingdon might have been an abandoned daughter that Emily listed in her own name after Sidney moved away.

I would be wary of not letting your imagination run away with you!!!

There are possibly several Sidney's around, and the marriages all involve Emilys, so it will be very hard to sort it all out.

1911 will help, but we cant post the info here.   2 Sidney Johns are clearly on there.

(Ah - ROsie just posted one of them from familysearch.  Childrens births show mmn Sullivan.  No Harry with them though!)
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Matt Wilson on Monday 09 October 17 16:59 BST (UK)
Hi rosie, yes that my great granddad in 1911 census but cant find his first wife Emily j kingdon (or if she married again by another name)
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Matt Wilson on Monday 09 October 17 17:05 BST (UK)
Lizdb harry Sullivan died 1910
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 09 October 17 17:28 BST (UK)
and as sidney moved to wales I think there might have been an argument upsetting the family,

Maybe he moved to Swansea as he met Emily the 2nd who was from there - probably around the time  he was serving his prison sentence there in June 1906
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 09 October 17 17:48 BST (UK)
As we are supposed to be looking for Emily Jane Seward can you please give full details for her ie place of birth & parents names.  You have already given her year of birth as 1875.
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: avm228 on Monday 09 October 17 18:49 BST (UK)
There is more than one Sidney John Kingdon around

Marriages:

Jan/Feb/Mar 1904 Barnstaple  only other one indexed with that page ref in Emily Jane Seward
Oct/Nov/Dec 1904 Exeter to Emily Webster or Edith Maude Guscott
Oct/Nov/Dec 1908 Swansea  to Sarah Jane Rees or Mary Emily Sullivan

The Dec qtr 1904 marriage was between Sidney John Kingdon b abt 1875 Exeter and Edith Maude Guscott (not Emily Webster).

They can be found together later on, and are separate from the people found in Wales.
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: avm228 on Monday 09 October 17 18:59 BST (UK)
One Sidney John Kingdon, a labourer (with a co-defendant brother George) was living in Union St, Barnstaple when he was brought before the magistrates in December 1906 for the theft of a duck. (Sidney was fined 10s and paid costs).

"Mrs Kingdon" is referred to, but her first name is not stated.

The Western Times, Dec 29th 1906
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: Comberton on Tuesday 10 October 17 09:59 BST (UK)
Could this be her?

Emily Jane Seward
B 1876 Somerset

1891 census as servant in Wales

Elsie Seward
B 1872 Somerset

1891 census in  Wales
with parents George & Jane
All family from Somerset

1901 census in Wales
as sister
Emily J Seward 1875 Somerset
With Fred Watts
& wife Elsie Watts 1872 Somerset

1911
Emily Jane Kingdom in Wales
1877 Williton, Somerset

1881
Emily
Elsie
Parents
Grandparents
In Williton, Somerset
Title: Re: Emily jane kingdon
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 10 October 17 12:26 BST (UK)
Could this be her?


That is the one I keep looking at but as OP states she was born Devon I was hoping for some clarification maybe from the marriage information  :)