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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: BronwenS on Wednesday 11 October 17 21:50 BST (UK)
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Hi
Anyone know of the Fletcher family. Her death cert says she was born in Edinburgh, her parents were Elizabeth Erskine and Ebenezer Fletcher. Any information on these latter two also would be hellpful. I have searched pretty thoroughly on Scotlands people.
Thanks Bronwen
Mary Fletcher wife of James Brock and mother of Jane Brock
B:1800 Edinburgh (can’t find)
M:1832 March 14th James Brock (register to hand)
D:1872 June 8th 7 Portland Place, Hamilton, 72 years old, died of chronic bronchitis, widow of James Brock silk weaver, Alexander Brock, son signed, 4 Whitehall Street, Glasgow (register to hand)
Children 5 (from census)
1819 John Brock, Barony, Hamilton, Scotland (child of Ann McCarthy)
1829 Betty Brock, Gorbals,Hamilton, Scotland (child of Ann McCarthy)
1835 Alexander Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1839 Jane Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1839 James Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
Census
1871 Marjory Brock, 2 Leechlee Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, widow aged 69 born in Edinburgh
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Hi,
I have found a James Brock who married in 1832 in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland. He was married to a Menie Fletcher on the 4 March 1832. The only Menie or Mennie Fletcher I could find was born in 1802 in Kilmoden Argyll. Not sure if these are the people you are looking for but I am able to help out if required.
Regards
Mike Fletcher
Arbroath
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Thanks Mike that is fantastic - sounds like I was totally up the pole.
I have a bit more information since I put this up - but some of this now may be wrong.
Her daughter Jane Brock's death certificate says she was formerly a Fletcher and Wright.
The 1871 census says she was born in Edinburgh.
I have seen her name listed as Menie and various other spellings.
I would appreciate anything going backwards or forwards to ensure I have it right.
many many thanks Bronwen, Christchurch, New Zealand
Mary/Marjory Fletcher (Wright) wife of James Brock and mother of Jane Brock
b.1802 Kilmoden, Argyll, Scotland (can’t find looked for Wright and Fletcher in Edinburgh between 1795 and 1815)
m.1832 March 14 James Brock, cotton weaver (reg.)
d.1872 June 8, 7 Portland Place, Hamilton, 72 years old, died of chronic bronchitis, widow of James Brock, silk weaver, signed by son Alexander Brock, 4 Whitehall Street, Glasgow (reg.)
Children 5 (can’t find on Scotland’s people) this information from the census
1818 John Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1829 Betty Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1832 James Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1835 Alexander Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1839 Jane Brock, Hamilton, Scotland – her death certificate says her mother was Marjory Brock, previously Fletcher and Wright
Census
1871 Marjory Brock, 2 Leechlee Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, (modern building) widow aged 69 born in Edinburgh
James Brock
b.
m.1832 March 14 Mary Fletcher (reg.)
d.1866 July 1 aged 78, 48 Muir Street, paralysis for 19 days, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, weaver, son Alexander Brock Withall St No. 4 Glasgow signed (reg.)
Census
1832 cotton weaver at time of marriage
1841 James 50, cotton hand loom weaver, Meady Fletcher 40 (not born in county), John 22 cotton hand loom weaver, James 9, Alexander 6, Jean 3. Lamb St, Gorbals, Lanark
1851 James 60, Mary 50 weaver’s wife, John 32, Betty 22 weaver’s daughter, Alexander 19, Jane 10 weaver’s daughter, James 16. All males listed are weavers. Father and children all born in Hamilton (Mary was born in Edinburgh) 23 Quarry Road,
1861 James 70, hand loom silk weaver, Margot 63 Pirn winder - someone who wound the yarn onto large wheel like bobbins which were then used to feed the cotton wheels hand loom cotton, Alexander 26 hand loom cotton weaver. 11 John Street, Lanark
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Hi again Michael
This is the marriage details I have from the register. So I assume these are the banns? Three dates, did they marry on the last date.
Oddly enough I had just posted yesterday a big query because I have got all the Brocks confused and am not sure who is related to my line.
Beautiful day here in Chjristchirch despite being the middle of winter.
cheers Bronwen
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Bronwen,
Thanks for the updates, it will take me a few days research so I will get back to you once I have some information.
Regards
Mike
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There is a marriage for a Margory Fletcher to a Robert Wright 7 July 1822 in Hamilton possible first marriage
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Thanks to you both. The dates for the first marriage would work. Perhaps there are children by this marriage given the years. I shall do a search on Scotland's people.
If she was married twice as it says she was wouldn't she have married under the name Wright when she married the second time?
Her parents and their 2 children?
FLETCHER MARY ANGUS FLETCHER/MARGARET BAXTER F 09/02/1801 522/ 10 137 Kilmodan
FLETCHER MENNIE ANGUS FLETCHER/MARGARET BAXTER F 01/11/1802 522/ 10 139 Kilmodan
Possibly Angus' death:
FLETCHER MILES ANGUS ----- 38 M 25/08/1831 692/2 340 23 Leith South
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The Barony & the Gorbals were both Glasgow parishes. Whitehall Street was in the Anderston district, west of the city centre, C3 postal district.
Skoosh.
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Hi Bronwen, to answer your question about name on 2nd marriage, in Scotland women always marry under their MS. Since official reg. you will see " formally xxx " xxx being their previous married name.
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In Scotland women retain their maiden name throughout their life so a woman will marry using her maiden name every time she marries and will be registered by all names married and maiden on death makes them easier to find
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Thanks for all of this it is really helpful.
I cannot find any children of her first marriage on Scotland's people.
regards Bronwen
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Can anyone explain why this appears twice - are banns read in more than one church, I realise it is close by but I don't understand this at all.
thanks Bronwen
Mennie's parents
BAXTER MARGARET ANGUS FLETCHER/ 15/02/1800 522/ 10 198 Kilmodan
BAXTER MARGARET ANGUS FLETCHER/FR261 (FR261) 17/02/1800 514/ 10 257 Inverchaolain
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Hi Bronwen,
Information found so far,
Donald of Camuslaimh Fletcher, born 1685 Glen Tula, Died 1735 Camuslaimh
Married 1720 to a Katherine McNaughton from Glen Lyon no DoB or death dates
Children:
Peter Fletcher DoB 1721 in Achallander DoD 1824 Achallander
John Fletcher DoB 1724 Argyll DoD 1824 River Urchy, Argyll
Archibald Fletcher DoB 1730 in Jura DoD 1807 in Achallander Loch Tula
Donald Fletcher DoB 1735 DoD 1791 Kilmodan, he married Catherine Smith no Dob or DoD
Children of Donald & Catherine:
Female Fletcher no DoB/DoD or first name possibly stillborn
Robert Fletcher no DoB or Dod
Angus Fletcher DoB 1776 Dunoon, Argyll DoD abt. 1852 he married Margaret Baxter DoB 4 March 1779, no DoD
Their Children:
Menie Fletcher DoB? DoD 8 June 1872 in Kilmodan She married James Brock 4 March 1832
Mary Fletcher DoB 9 Feb 1801 DoD?
Marion Fletcher DoB 1 Nov 1802 in Inverchaolain, Argyll DoD 19 Oct 1863 Corran, Argyll
Minnie Fletcher DoB 1802
Angus Fletcher DoB 21 Sep 1821 DoD? Possibly in Canada
James Brock and Menie Fletchers family to come. I'm getting there but takes time to search and double check correctly to get the correct information for you. All for now, I will do some more research in the next couple of days.
Regards
Mike
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This is great. I googled 'Donald of Camuslaimh Fletcher', and came up with this - which is pretty fascinating.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041012000935/http://www.spaceless.com:80/fletcher/flet1.htm
Are you related to all these people?
ALSO THIS.
https://www.geni.com/people/Donald-Fletcher-of-Camuslaimh/6000000004044906323
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Achallader, Loch Tulla & Glen Orchy.
Skoosh.
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Can anyone explain why this appears twice - are banns read in more than one church, I realise it is close by but I don't understand this at all.
thanks Bronwen
Mennie's parents
BAXTER MARGARET ANGUS FLETCHER/ 15/02/1800 522/ 10 198 Kilmodan
BAXTER MARGARET ANGUS FLETCHER/FR261 (FR261) 17/02/1800 514/ 10 257 Inverchaolain
The banns are read in the parish where the person is living at the time so if they are living in different parishes then the banns are recorded in both parishes so according to this one of them was living in Kilmodan and the other was living in Inverchaolian at the time
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Hi Bronwen,
No, sorry, I am not related to the Fletchers in Scotland, I am originally from Yorkshire. My wife who is from Scotland and I are both related to the earlier Royal families of both England and Scotland.
I have found some more information for you regarding the Brock family, earlier spellings for this name was Brocky or Brockie before becoming Brock. I will put up what I have found in my next post.
Regards
Mike
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Bronwen,
The Brock Family, what I have found.
James Brockie no DoB or DoD married a Katherine Hendersone DoB 9 July 1667
Their children:
James Brockie Dob 14 June 1693 at Haddington, East Lothian, he married a Jean Logan, this was her 2nd marriage (maiden name was Pringell).
William Brockie Dob 4 Dec 1695 no DoD
Robert Brockie Dob 12 May 1698 no DoD
George Brockie Dob 4 April 1701 no DoD
James Brockie and Jean Logan
Their children:
Margaret Brock Dob 7 Mar 1714 in Renfrewshire, no DoD
Alexander Brock Dob 17 March 1717 at Dirleton East Lothian, no Dod
Robet Brock Dob 23 Feb 1718, DoD 1794
Andreu Brock Dob 27 Sep 1719, no DoD
Robert Brock Dob 7 Oct 1721 at Dirleton, East Lothian, DoD 23 July 1794
Agnus Brock Dob?
James Brock Dob 20 May 1791 Gorbals, Lanarkshire, DoD 1 July 1866 in Hamilton, Lanark. He married Menie Fletcher 4 March 1832 in Hamilton.
Thier children:
John Brock Dob?
Betty Brock Dob?
James Brock Dob 1832 in Hamilton
Alexander Brock Dob 1835 in Hamilton
Jane Brock Dob 1838 in Hamilton. She married a John Summers (or Sommers) on 10 June 1859 in Hamilton. Thier children:
Margaret Summers Dob 1860 in Hamilton
Marjory Summers Dob 1860 in Hamilton
Isabella Summers Dob 1862 in Hamilton
Mark Summers Dob 1865 in Hamilton
Elizabeth Summers Dob 1868 in Hamilton
James Summers Dob 1870 in Hamilton
I hope these are the correct people, some require checking out further. The research tools I use led me to these for checking out the best I could for you. Any further help you require please let me know.
Regards
Mike
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Many thanks to all definitely on the right track. Bronwen
I do have all of jane and John Summers details their children etc.
Not sure about this - something missing, James is not one of their children cause he was born in 1791
There is a generation or two missing here?
James Brockie and Jean Logan
Their children:
Margaret Brock Dob 7 Mar 1714 in Renfrewshire, no DoD
Alexander Brock Dob 17 March 1717 at Dirleton East Lothian, no Dod
Robet Brock Dob 23 Feb 1718, DoD 1794
Andreu Brock Dob 27 Sep 1719, no DoD
Robert Brock Dob 7 Oct 1721 at Dirleton, East Lothian, DoD 23 July 1794
Agnus Brock Dob?
James Brock Dob 20 May 1791 Gorbals, Lanarkshire, DoD 1 July 1866 in Hamilton, Lanark. He married Menie Fletcher 4 March 1832 in Hamilton.
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Hi Bronwen,
I think I have found one of the missing links.
James Brockie was married twice, His second wife was possibly a Jean Smillie who was the mother of James Brock Dob 1791. I cannot find a marriage date or Dob for Jean Smillie.
All for now
Regards
Mike
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Thanks.
I don't understand which one of the James Brockie's married twice and could be the father of the one that was born 1791 May 20 Gorbals, Lanarkshire.
None of them seem to be of the right age?
Where do you find all this information. I mostly use Scotlands People?
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Hi
James Brockie Dob 1693 who married Jean Logan married a Jean Smillie possibly after Jean Logan past away. Jean Smillie is the mother of James Brock 1791.
James Brock Dob 1791 - 1866 also married twice, A Margaret Brock Dob 1798 Edinburgh. Menie Fletcher was also called Mary in other family trees.
If You go to John Brock Dob 1819 son of James & Menie/Mary Brock, he married a Barbara Forrest, their son James Brock Dob 1853 married a Susan Dickie in Ontario Canada, their relatives moved onto Michigan USA.
Regards
Mike
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Bronwen S,
If you pm me your email address, i can send you a link to the tree i made up for you over the last few days.
Regards
Mike
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Many thanks Mike.
This has him fathering child when he is 98?
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I really appreciate all the work you have done for me.
best wishes
Bronwen
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Bronwen,
sorry, my fault for rushing far too fast, even for my liking. I have found the missing links and it seems there are two families which are mixed up in each others family trees. This will take a while to sort, basically starting again. I will email you when I have reworked the Brock family correctly.
Regards
Mike
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Bronwen,
I am coming to the conclusion that Menie/Mennie/Meady Fletcher are possibly short slang names for Marjory Fletcher.
Every search I put into the searches for those names, they all come up married to the same James Brock. However, I have started a fresh and making sure all the names etc. tally up in each census and records I can find.
Please note, you will have to PM me with your email address as it was deleted by the admin.
Regards
Mike
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Many thanks Mike will PM my email.
Bronwen
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I am coming to the conclusion that Menie/Mennie/Meady Fletcher are possibly short slang names for Marjory Fletcher.
Could be, but Minnie/Menie is often a pet name for Mary.
Every search I put into the searches for those names, they all come up married to the same James Brock.
There is only one place to search for originals, and that is Scotland's People. Never believe anything you find online unless it is an image of an original document. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
Three dates, did they marry on the last date.
Not necessarily. Those are the dates when their banns were proclaimed in the kirk. The wedding would have been shortly after the third proclamation.
The only Menie or Mennie Fletcher I could find was born in 1802 in Kilmoden Argyll.
This is obviously not the right person because the parents do not match the ones in the original post, Ebenezer Fletcher and Elizabeth Erskine, and the birthplace doesn't match the census listings. Just because there is only one candidate does not mean that it is the right one.
If she was married twice as it says she was wouldn't she have married under the name Wright when she married the second time?
No. She would still be recorded under her own surname.
James Brockie Dob 1693 who married Jean Logan married a Jean Smillie possibly after Jean Logan past away. Jean Smillie is the mother of James Brock 1791.
You seem to be saying that James Brockie fathered James Brock when he was 97 or 98 years old. I don't think this is very likely.
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Thanks for your responses - there are other Mennie Fletchers in her line.
Yes I had already questioned Fletch about him fathering a child at that age.
Scotland's People is what I use all the time to ascertain things.
I realise if they aren't there doesn't mean they didn't exist.
thanks for the info about banns and marriages - I wasn't certain when it meant they marry.
Fletch has done quite an extensive thing for me now which I am working through.
cheers Bronwen Christchurch , NZ
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Hi All,
Yes, Menie I believe is a spelling mistake of Mennie which originates from Gaelic/early Irish modern meaning wealthy.
We are looking for a Mennie Fletcher, not a Minnie Fletcher which we know is short for Mary but also for Minerva, Winifred, Wilhelmina or Amelia. That is, of course, Mennie is not a spelling mistake from way back when. I have only found one Mennie Fletcher on Scotlands People born 01/11/1802 to an Angus Fletcher & Margaret Baxter. Of course, any help with this family tree is always welcome especially for Bronwen, as long as we get it right.
Regards
Mike
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Yes, Menie I believe is a spelling mistake of Mennie which originates from Gaelic/early Irish modern meaning wealthy.
There is no such thing as 'correct' spelling until the 20th century. Therefore no spelling of a name is a 'mistake'.
According to Mackenzie's Scots Gaelic dictionary the Gaelic for 'wealthy' is 'beairteaich' or 'saibhir'. According to my Irish Gaelic dictionary it is 'saibhir'. However the Scots Gaelic dictionary also lists 'maoin' as a 'hoard', or 'wealth worshipped'.
www.whatsinaname.net does not mention Menie or Mennie.
We are looking for a Mennie Fletcher, not a Minnie Fletcher which we know is short for Mary but also for Minerva, Winifred, Wilhelmina or Amelia.
I disagree. From the many variations in the lady's name in later records, it is plain enough that Menie is only one version of her name.
That is, of course, Mennie is not a spelling mistake from way back when.
See above. There is no such thing as a 'mistake' at that time.
I have only found one Mennie Fletcher on Scotlands People born 01/11/1802 to an Angus Fletcher & Margaret Baxter.
Do not make the classic error of assuming that the only one in the records is the right one. The further back you go, the more events are missing from the surviving records.
Bronwen has seen the death certificate which names the parents of her Menie/Mennie/Meady/Minnie/Mary/Marjory as Ebenezer Fletcher and Elizabeth Erskine. The census consistently says that she was born in Edinburgh/Midlothian.
Therefore she is not the one born in Kilmodan to Angus Fletcher and Margaret Baxter, and it serves no useful purpose to go on dragging that one into the discussions.
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Hi
I have re-looked at what I have and thought it best to post it here for clarification - as you can see Mennie Fletcher had many names at different times - these are all documents I have sited.
I have also attached the 1871 census which says she came from Edinburgh.
many thanks for all your help.
Bronwen ChCh NZ
James Brock husband of Mennie/Mary Fletcher
b.1791 May 20 Gorbals, Lanarkshire
m.1832 March 14 Mennie Fletcher
d.1866 July 1 aged 78, 48 Muir Street, paralysis for 19 days, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, weaver, son Alexander Brock, Withall St No. 4 Glasgow signed (reg.)
Census
1832 cotton weaver at time of marriage
1841 James 50, cotton hand loom weaver, Meady Fletcher 40 (not born in county), John 22 cotton hand loom weaver, James 9, Alexander 6, Jean 3 and Betty Reid a tambourer. All living at Lamb St, Gorbals, Lanark
1851 James 60, Mary 50 weaver’s wife, John 32, Betty 22 weaver’s daughter, Alexander 19, James 16, Jane 10. All males listed are weavers. Father and children all born in Hamilton (Mary was born in Edinburgh) 23 Quarry Road,
1861 James 70, hand loom silk weaver, Margot 63 Pirn winder - someone who wound the yarn onto large wheel like bobbins which were then used to feed the cotton wheels hand loom cotton, Alexander 26 hand loom cotton weaver. 11 John Street, Lanark
Mennie/Mary/Marjory/Meady/Margot Fletcher wife of James Brock and mother of Jane Brock
b.1795 - 1799
m.1822 July 7 Robert Wright, Hamilton (reg.) (Marjory)
m.1832 March 14 James Brock, cotton weaver (reg.) (Menie)
d.1872 June 8, 7 Portland Place, Hamilton, 72 years old, died of chronic bronchitis, widow of James Brock, silk weaver, signed by son Alexander Brock, 4 Whitehall Street, Glasgow (reg.) Whitehall Street was in the Anderston district, west of the city centre
Children 5 (can’t find on Scotland’s people) this information from the census
1818 John Brock, Hamilton, Scotland, m.Barbara Forrest, c.1853 James Brock m.Susan Dickie, Ontario, Canada, their relatives moved to Michigan, USA
1829 Betty Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1832 James Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1835 Alexander Brock, Hamilton, Scotland
1839 Jane Brock, Hamilton, Scotland – her death certificate says her mother was Marjory Brock, previously Fletcher and Wright
Census
1871 Marjory Brock, 2 Leechlee Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, (modern building) widow aged 69 born in Edinburgh (reg.)
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Hi Mike
I don't think some of what you have added to the tree is correct. I have the following around the Summers family and I ahve registers for some of these people. I suppose how you determine who is the right John Summers (born 1832) for his birth is an issue?
My results come from Scotland's People. Have you seen registers for the ones you have put in?
Regards and thanks Bronwen
1811 SUMMERS
Mark Summers husband of Isabella Edmiston
b.1811 Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (illegitimate son of Janet Barry who was a domestic servant)
m.1828 June Isabella Edmiston, Hamilton, Scotland - Banns read on 18, 25 May & 1 June (Banns register to hand)
d.1874 aged 63 died of bronchitis which he had had for 6 months, died at 46 Quarry Road, his son John was present, John lived at 7 Portland Place (reg.)
Census
1841 Mark labourer 25, Isabella 25, Jean 10 tambourer, Janet 4, John 2, Church St, Hamilton (census to hand)
1851 Mark handloom weaver 46, Isabella 40 tambourer, Jane 21 hand loom weaver, John 11 hand loom weaver, Isabella 5, Charles 2 (census to hand)
1861 Mark cotton weaver, Isabella both aged 50, Mark 7, Isabella 3 (census to hand)
1871 Mark silk weaver, Isabella both 60, Mark 18 Pit bankman, Isabella 14 Silk weaver. 46 Quarry Road (census to hand)
Isabella/Isobel Edmonstone wife of Mark Summers and mother of John Summers
b.1811 Sept 24 Barony, Lanarkshie, Scotland (searched)
m.1828 May 18 Hamilton, Scotland, Mark Summers (register - Edmiston)
d.1888 Oct 11 aged 76, Village of Motherwell, Parish of Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland, John McArthur son-in-law was present and signed, heart disease for 6 months, senile debility, husband dead, gas worker & labourer (reg.)
Children 8
1829 Sept 13 Jean Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1830 Jane Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1831 Jean Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1832 May 17 b.June 7 John Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (reg.)
1837 Janet Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1845 Isabella Summers died of scarlet fever in 20 Oct 1856 aged 11 at 7 Hope street, Hamilton, Parish Church Yard, Hamilton, Lanarkshire John Summers made his mark (reg.)
1848 Charles Summers
1853 Mark Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, pit bankman at 18
1857 June 9 Isabella Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, silk weaver at 14
John Summers husband of Jane Brock
b.1832 May 17 bap 7 Hamilton, Lanarkshire (reg.)
m.1859 June 10 Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Jane Brock who lived at 10 John Street and John Summers Quarry Street, Hamilton, Scotland, he signed, she made her mark (reg.)
d.1918 Nov 16 aged 83, 87 Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland, William Russell son-in-law present lived at 62 Low water (reg.)
Census
1841 Mark labourer 25, Isabella 25, Jean 10 tambourer, Janet 4, John 2, Church St, Hamilton (census to hand)
1851 John living with parents, hand loom weaver aged 11
1861 John 22 Hand loom cotton weaver, Jane 23 cotton tambourer, Margaret 1, 12 John Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1871 John 37 pit headman, Jane 32, Marjory 11 silkweaver, Isabella 8, Mark 6, Elizabeth 3, James 1, 13 Quarry Rd, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (census to hand)
1874 7 Portland Place, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (death of father, Mark)
1881 Pit headman, 5 Mansfield, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland - Robert Brock brother-in-law a painter was living with John and Jane (Brock) Summers
1891 Coal Pit headman, 87 Maryfield, Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1901 Mansfield cottages, Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1911 Pit headman in colliery, 77 years old, 87 Maryfield Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (census to hand)
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Bronwen,
These are the correct ones, I have now seen them on Scotlands People and have updated the tree. Getting slightly mixed up with all the Brocks/Summers/Sommers and other information from elsewhere. Still stuck on the Margory Fletcher who married Robert Wright first on 07 Jul 1822, (date from Scotlands People) before marrying James Brock. Still searching when in my spare time.
Regards
Mike