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Title: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Thursday 12 October 17 07:34 BST (UK)
Hi Folks,

I'm looking for further information about Mrs M Walters Moore.

She (and her husband) were on the ship "Meridian" in 1853 when it was wrecked on Amsterdam Island in the Indian ocean. Late in her life (1900) she told the story of their journey to Australia.

A copy is available online at ...
http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-52758751

A Mr & Mrs Moore (no "Walters") were on the original passenger list on the "Meridian" and the "Emma Colvin" which brought the wreck survivors from Mauritius to Australia.

The only 2 items I can pinpoint are that Mrs Moore said they were living in London before they left UK. She was still alive in 1900 and living in or near Sydney when she told the story.

I'd like to find her first name or her husband's name and find more info about their life in Australia.

Suggestions/ideas would be very much appreciated.

Thanks

Di

Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cupoflife on Thursday 12 October 17 10:32 BST (UK)
Wondering if this is her?
The Daily Telegraph 9 Sept 1903 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237574297
HOGUE.— On the 6th September, at her brother's residence, Guildford, Mrs. Sarah Hogue, in her 81st year beloved sister of Mrs. Walters Moore.
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Thursday 12 October 17 10:39 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Family Notice - I have just this minute also found the same item. Unfortunately I can't see or find what her brother's name was.
With that date (1903) and age of Sarah (81) it's likely Sarah is the sister of the Mrs Moore I've been looking for. Can't find a marriage for Sarah - maybe Hogue is her maiden name?

Every bit helps

Many thanks
Di
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cando on Thursday 12 October 17 12:28 BST (UK)
The passenger list for the EMMA COLVIN which arrived in Melbourne in Dec 1853 is at PROV.  There is a John MOORE aged 40 but I can't see a Mrs MOORE.

https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/unassisted-passenger-lists

Cando
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 12 October 17 12:51 BST (UK)
Sarah is buried Rookwood Catholic Cemetery:

Hogue Sarah 81 8-9-1903 SEC*M2*D**619

No other Hogue there.

On NSWBDM her father is William, no mother named.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: jorose on Thursday 12 October 17 22:16 BST (UK)
A possibility, but only if the "John Moore" listed on the Emma Colvin is a different man or a mistake in the first name of Mrs M Walters Moore's husband.

Sarah Sturch appears to have married a James Hogue in 1854, Manchester (confirmed by http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk _)
 (possibly with him in 1861 and 1871 in Broughton, Lancashire - he was older, born in Ireland, and died in Manchester district in 1873 )

Also Mary Ann Moore married Henry Walter Moore in 1847, Stepney:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2YY-9VQ

The brother may be Joseph Sturch, reported to at one time be a resident of Guildford at his death in 1914:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/85959835?searchTerm=%22Joseph%20Sturch%22&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc
(NSW also lists his father as William)


Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 12 October 17 22:58 BST (UK)

Also Mary Ann Moore married Henry Walter Moore in 1847, Stepney:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2YY-9VQ



Wee typo here I think.
I see it as Mary Ann STURCH

Sue
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 13 October 17 00:06 BST (UK)
The passenger list for the EMMA COLVIN which arrived in Melbourne in Dec 1853 is at PROV.  There is a John MOORE aged 40 but I can't see a Mrs MOORE.

https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/unassisted-passenger-lists

Cando

Thanks Cando

Unfortunately John Moore wasn't one of the original passengers from the Meridian. The original passenger list shows the ex Meridian passengers all together.

Di
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 13 October 17 00:13 BST (UK)
Thanks jamjar - knowing Sarah's father's name might be William could help if we find Mrs Moore.

A possibility, but only if the "John Moore" listed on the Emma Colvin is a different man or a mistake in the first name of Mrs M Walters Moore's husband.

Sarah Sturch appears to have married a James Hogue in 1854, Manchester (confirmed by http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk _)
 (possibly with him in 1861 and 1871 in Broughton, Lancashire - he was older, born in Ireland, and died in Manchester district in 1873 )

Also Mary Ann Moore married Henry Walter Moore in 1847, Stepney:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2YY-9VQ

The brother may be Joseph Sturch, reported to at one time be a resident of Guildford at his death in 1914:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/85959835?searchTerm=%22Joseph%20Sturch%22&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc
(NSW also lists his father as William)

Oh my!! Many thanks jorose

I just checked the original marriage for Moore/Sturch in St Dunstan's Stepney. Mary Ann's father was listed as "WILLIAM"  ;D   (one step closer  8) )

I'll also follow up on Joseph Sturch of Guildford. I know Sarah's address was Woodville Road Guildford, so hopefully his will be the same. (Pity it's such a long road - without street numbers at that time)

Things to do now and places to go ...    ;D  :-*

Thank you very much

Di


Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 13 October 17 00:15 BST (UK)

Also Mary Ann Moore married Henry Walter Moore in 1847, Stepney:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2YY-9VQ



Wee typo here I think.
I see it as Mary Ann STURCH

Sue

Thanks for the update there Sue - Sturch is so much easier to trace rather than Moore.
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cupoflife on Friday 13 October 17 01:15 BST (UK)
Clutching at straws...

STURCH—At Brompton Park, England, In the 77th year of his age, of paralysis, W. Sturch, Esq., the beloved and only parent of Mrs. H. W. Moore, of Neutral Bay.
SMH 13July1860 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13042966
Sydney Mail 21July1860 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/166692009
SMH 21July1860 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13043382


Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cupoflife on Friday 13 October 17 01:54 BST (UK)
NSW marriage: 3200/1873 Joseph STURCH and Sarah COOPER; Gulgong
Sarah Jane Sturch (formerly Cooper, nee Bursill)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvq/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvr/
http://australianroyalty.net.au/individual.php?pid=I60942&ged=purnellmccord.ged

The Daily Telegraph 9July1914 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/239081823
STURCH. — 8th July, 1914, at his daughter's residence, Mrs. H. Davidson, 27 The Boulevarde Lewisham, Joseph, beloved husband ot Sarah Sturch, of Gulidford, aged 80 years.

SMH 9July1914 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15521424
STURCH.-The Funeral of the late Mr. JOSEPH STURCH will leave the residence of his daughter, Mrs.H. DAVIDSON, 27 the Boulevarde, Lewisham, THIS AFTERNOON, at 1.30 o'clock, for Baptist Cemetery, Rookwood, via Lewisham Station.

SMH 8Dec1919 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15868196
STURCH.—The Relatives and friends of the late Mrs. SARAH JANE STURCH are invited to attend her funeral, to leave the residence of her daughter, Mrs J. H. Davidson, Kootupua, 27 Boulevard, Lewisham, this DAY, at 1.30 p.m., for Baptist Cemetery, Rookwood, via Lewisham station.

EDIT to Add: Deceased Estate http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvs/
STURCH, Sarah J; Guildford; DOD 06/12/1919; DDP 10/11/1920; Item [19/10255]; Reel 3034





Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: majm on Friday 13 October 17 02:11 BST (UK)
NSW marriage: 3200/1873 Joseph STURCH and Sarah COOPER; Gulgong
Sarah Jane Sturch (formerly Cooper, nee Bursill)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvq/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvr/
http://australianroyalty.net.au/individual.php?pid=I60942&ged=purnellmccord.ged

NSW ER 1870 MUDGEE
Cannot find BURSILL, .... but  :)  :)
Frederick BUSSELL, residence, Gulgong

JM
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: majm on Friday 13 October 17 02:13 BST (UK)
NSW ER 1878 MUDGEE
Found BUSSILL  :)  twice  :) :) BURSILL

Timothy BUSSILL, residence, Long Paddock
William BUSSILL, residence, Home Rule

ADD
Oops, MY typo  :)  :)
BOTH Timothy and William are enrolled as BURSILL, not as BUSSILL  :-[  and it is BURSILL that is 'wanted' 

JM
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: majm on Friday 13 October 17 02:20 BST (UK)
Biographical Database of Australia has Sarah Jane BURSILL as born 1835 in NSW.

http://www.bda-online.org.au/

JM
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 13 October 17 09:36 BST (UK)
Clutching at straws...

STURCH—At Brompton Park, England, In the 77th year of his age, of paralysis, W. Sturch, Esq., the beloved and only parent of Mrs. H. W. Moore, of Neutral Bay.
SMH 13July1860 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13042966
Sydney Mail 21July1860 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/166692009
SMH 21July1860 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13043382

I do like those straws you're clutching cupoflife  :D

It's amazing how just a few words seem to make a lot of the pieces all fit together.
We know William was Mary Ann's father (from her marriage). She was the wife of Henry Walter/s Moore and the thing I like about the above notice is that Mary Ann is living in Neutral Bay in 1860 - the same area as the Anderson family who were recorded in her story re the shipwreck.

It all just seems to fit - thanks a lot  :-*

Re the Sturch and Bursill family connections ... I'll take a wee while to sort out that lot but do really appreciate all your help.

Di



Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 13 October 17 09:42 BST (UK)
Thanks for all the Bursill info JM. As I mentioned above, I'll need to document all the new info and confirm their connections.

I really appreciate all your help

Just in case anyone else is ever looking for the Moore family I have the death of Henry Walter Moore, died 31 Aug 1889, age 83. Appears he died at Bowenfels (near Lithgow) The front page of the story I mentioned in the opening post was reported to have been written for the children of R Anderson of Lithgow (although I have never been able to confirm that they actually lived there) Details I have are that Andersons were from Neutral Bay/North Sydney ... maybe they were on holidays  ???
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: sparrett on Friday 13 October 17 10:00 BST (UK)
What was the occupation of Henry Walter MOORE?

I found this-
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60164235
A mention of H Walter MOORE, but I am not able to quite understand  his role in the context of the advertisement.  Some sort of accountant or secretary for the doctor?
September, 1855

Or an entirely different man from your chap?
Sue
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 13 October 17 10:42 BST (UK)
I haven't been able to find his occupation Sue. I've looked through a few Sands Directories but apart from living at Nelson Street, Woollahra there wasn't any other info.

That article could be him as I haven't found many other Henry Walter Moores in Sydney at that time.
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cupoflife on Friday 13 October 17 10:56 BST (UK)
Probate Packet https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/312082
Henry Walter Moore Date of death 31 August 1889, Granted on 14 October 1889 Series 3-18965

EDIT to Add: Probate notice Oct 1889 (several similar) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/117026550
Henry Walter Moore, £600;
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Friday 13 October 17 11:20 BST (UK)
Thanks for the reminder about Probate packet - probably worth getting a copy. At least it might say if they had any children. None found to date though.

I found a Death Notice in 1860 for the passing of Henry's sister in UK
It says:
"On the 14th June, 1860, at the residence of her brother, Lawn House, Wellington Grove, Greenwich, England, Jane Catherine, sister of H. W. Moore, of Neutral Bay, and H. M. Customs, Sydney, of consumption, after a most painful and protracted illness, and nearly three years confined to her bed, in the 43rd year of her age."

My question relates to the above notice:  Could "H M Customs" possibly be Henry's occupation/place or work?
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cando on Friday 13 October 17 11:30 BST (UK)
The answer is yes. :)  I have several ancestor who were always described as of H M Customs and usually named the port to which they were attached.    Occasionally they were described of the Customs House at [name of port].

Cando  :)
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cando on Friday 13 October 17 11:39 BST (UK)
Burial for Henry
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvv/

Cando

Edited to correct link...sorry
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cando on Friday 13 October 17 11:58 BST (UK)
http://www.family.joint.net.au/index.php?mid=1&cid=606
Bowenfels Old Presbyterian Cemetery

MOORE Henry Walter      Aug 1889   83?y    son/Jeremiah; d. Hartley   

Cando
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: cando on Friday 13 October 17 12:03 BST (UK)
Do you need this?  Mistranscribed surname.

MORRE Henry Walter
Born    1808
Baptised   20 Oct 1811  Saint John,Hackney,London,England
Father Jeremia  Moore
FHL Film#   569924

On parish record - born 16 Jun 1808 and father is Jeremiah and Mother is Anne on parish record.  Surname clearly MOORE.

Cando

Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Aussie1947 on Friday 13 October 17 12:17 BST (UK)
Hi,

The Woollahra Library have a family history section and they have helped me in the past with family information and they might be helpful with Henry Walter Moore.

http://www.woollahra.nsw.gov.au/library

Gerry
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 13 October 17 13:56 BST (UK)
Property belonging to a Mary Ann Moore deceased Bowenfelds, 5th column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article218748364

Jamjar
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 13 October 17 14:07 BST (UK)
Mary’s death, 1st column? http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14643227

Funeral notice: 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article237853356

12713/1904 MOORE Mary A parents WILLIAM and MARY BURWOOD

Jamjar


Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 14 October 17 00:35 BST (UK)
The answer is yes. :)  I have several ancestor who were always described as of H M Customs and usually named the port to which they were attached.    Occasionally they were described of the Customs House at [name of port].

Cando  :)
Thanks Cando - in hindsight it was probably self explanatory but it's good to have confirmation.

Appreciate the burials details for Henry. It's probable there's a headstone for him at Bowenfels too.

Birth/baptism details are a bonus - thanks.  I see that his sister Jane (mentioned previously) was christened the same day although she was born 12 Aug 1811.
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 14 October 17 00:49 BST (UK)
Property belonging to a Mary Ann Moore deceased Bowenfelds, 5th column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article218748364

Jamjar

Thanks jamjar - the advertisement makes it a bit easier to pinpoint which Mary Ann Moore's death was wife of Henry W. Interesting that the funeral notice has his name as W. Henry Moore.

It looks like a copy of another will might be in order as well.

Cheers
Di

Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 14 October 17 00:50 BST (UK)
Hi,

The Woollahra Library have a family history section and they have helped me in the past with family information and they might be helpful with Henry Walter Moore.

http://www.woollahra.nsw.gov.au/library

Gerry

Thanks Gerry - I'll follow that up.

Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: judb on Saturday 14 October 17 08:50 BST (UK)
Reply#10 from CupofLife has this quote - sorry , this is a bit convoluted and may be a red herring

STURCH—At Brompton Park, England, In the 77th year of his age, of paralysis, W. Sturch, Esq., the beloved and only parent of Mrs. H. W. Moore, of Neutral Bay.

Free Bmd has the death of a William STURCH reg Kensington, Vol1a, p69, Dec qr 1859

According to an on-line tree, this William STURCH had a daughter Mary Ann, b abt 1830 who married Henry Walter MOORE, 26 September 1847 at the church of St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney.  Henry was a commercial traveller, both of full age, living in Stepney, her father William's occ: engineer and his father Jerome?: nurseryman.

I cannot see the couple in England and Wales census in 1851.

Edit to add: Jamjar (Reply #27) has this:
Mary’s death, 1st column? http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14643227

Funeral notice: 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article237853356

12713/1904 MOORE Mary A parents WILLIAM and MARY BURWOOD


According to the on-line tree Mary Ann's mother was Mary Brewer DAY, such common names though  :-\

Judith
Title: Re: Mrs M Walters Moore
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 14 October 17 09:32 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Judith

I had Henry & Mary Ann's marriage (from Ancestry) but had forgotten that he was a Commercial Traveller in UK. I found them in 1851 in Finsbury/Islington where Henry W Moore (age 38) was born Hackney (Commercial Trav.) and Mary Ann Moore (age 21) was born Lincolnshire. Interesting that she was supposed to be of full age when they married in 1847!

When Mary Ann died in 1905 she was reported to be 75 (ie born 1825)

I haven't checked original records yet but I'll follow up on the likelihood that Mary Ann's mother was nee DAY.

Thanks for the extra info.

Cheers
Di