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Title: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: snuttall on Saturday 14 October 17 13:13 BST (UK)
This is a photo of my relative James Rawstron, from Haslingden, Lancashire, born 1834. He died aged 41 in 1875 so combining that with his age in the photo, I'd say it was near to that date.

What I'd like to know more about is the clothing which seems unusual. James was a cotton weaver on every census and the photo seems quite specialist/formal.

Is this his own clothing, do you think, or something provided by the studio for the photograph? Does it have any meaning?
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: McGroger on Sunday 15 October 17 12:19 BST (UK)
Have reposted the pic which doesn't appear to show in snuttall's post. Edit: oh, now it's there. Oh well...

Snuttall, I think he is wearing a yeomanry uniform. Volunteer reserve cavalry. Think "Dad's Army" on horseback circa 1870s.

Cheers, Peter.
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: japeflakes on Sunday 15 October 17 13:12 BST (UK)
Though might show more but.....
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 15 October 17 18:51 BST (UK)
I agree with 1870s
Carol
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Viktoria on Sunday 15 October 17 21:34 BST (UK)
I don`t know anything  about yeomanry uniforms but before I saw the posts I wondered if he was in a Brass Band?
Haslingden would have a band surely, most mill towns did. There will be records surely if there was a band,of members` names etc.
 But usually people would be photographed with the instrument they played.
                                                                                     Viktoria.
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 15 October 17 21:42 BST (UK)
Can't read it but I wonder if something is written on his hat like with sailors when they have HMS whatever. 

Checking for his name in newspapers might yield a snippet. 
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Viktoria on Sunday 15 October 17 21:57 BST (UK)
Yes ,I noticed that but could not make out anything.
To be a little unkind, there are no badges and  he does not look as smart as you would expect a soldier to be.
.Viktoria.
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Rena on Sunday 15 October 17 22:03 BST (UK)
My immediate thought was "brass band".

There's a brass band website (see below) and you'll see from the linked page it goes back to the 1800s, gives lists of local Lancashire brass bands and also competition venues....

additionally there's a Tab" which leads to an alphabtical list of people.  With a bit of luck your man could be listed.

https://brassbandresults.co.uk/contests/accrington-contest/1865-04-07/
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Rena on Sunday 15 October 17 22:29 BST (UK)
I've had a look on the website and saw there are two people with the same surname but the wrong century.

Here's another webpage showing a Lancashire yeoman uniform - there's not much difference between an SNCO's pillbox hat and a member of a band's pillbox hat.

http://www.uniformology.com/YEOMANRY-05.html
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: McGroger on Monday 16 October 17 06:48 BST (UK)
Might have cheated a bit here. :)
Cheers, Peter.
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 16 October 17 13:44 BST (UK)
If he was Yeomanry would he have owned a horse? Would he have been expected to be an experienced rider before he joined? If "Yes" to both questions, does this fit known profile of James Rawstron?
Another thought I had was that the uniform belonged to the photographer; it was a costume.
Was his footwear correct for Yeomanry?
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 16 October 17 14:01 BST (UK)
In 1871 his occupation was listed as a Cotton Weaver, as this photo is early/mid 1870s and he died in 1875....I too believe the uniform is that of a bandsman.

https://musicmcrww1.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/introduction-to-brass-bands-in-and-around-manchester-pre-1914/

Carol
Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Grameka on Monday 16 October 17 17:59 BST (UK)
I wonder if your James has a relation (a son possibly maybe) by the name of John Thomas?

Title: Re: Help identifying clothing - James Rawstron c.1870s, Lancashire, England
Post by: Yvonne G on Monday 08 January 18 17:38 GMT (UK)
Hello Grameka
 I am looking for a James Rawstron married to Mary with a son John Thomas born 1865 Haslingden