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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: wyanga on Monday 16 October 17 01:03 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I have the marriage for James Taylor and Martha Jane Pedan at the Aghadowey Presbyterian Church , Coleraine Civil District 13th march 1868.
Does anyone have access to the details for this marriage, I particularly wanted to know the Groom and Brides fathers names.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Wyanga
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Best i could find
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZX-WF3
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datal,
Thank you very much that is the information I was looking for. I had a baptism for a james with a Father Archibald, this proves it is the wrong one.
Wyanga
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Aghadowey Presbyterian Church, 13 Mar.1868, James Taylor, gardener, Mullahinch, son of William Taylor, labourer, to Martha Peden, Moneybrannon, daughter of John Peden, farmer. Witnesses Wm J Williamson, Robt M'Lean?
Some children-
John, born 25 Dec.1868, bapt. 7 Feb.1869 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church
Eliza, born 21 May 1870, bapt. 12 June 1870 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church [mother's name Catherine which is incorrect]
Mary, born 11 Jan.1872 [GRONI- Padden]
Thomas, born 8 Feb.1874 [GRONI= Paden]
William, born 8 Feb.1874 [GRONI= Paden]
James, born 29 Aug.1875
Hugh, born 3 Feb.1878
Samuel, born 14 Feb.1881 Killowen [Coleraine] [GRONI- Pesten]
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Aghadowey,
Thank you for that extra information also for the childrens names.
That is brilliant.
Wyanga
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Details added (in red) to earlier post
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Aghadowey,
Once again you have excelled. I knew that I was short of a William b 1874 in the earlier message but I didn't know there were twins.
Wyanga
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Aghadhowey,
I am not certain when GRONI first started recording births.
Family records indicate that James was born about 1840 , would it be possible to see if there is a birth record for him with a father William Taylor.
From the marriage details both James and William could have been itinerant workers that moved from place to place.
Wyanga
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Aghadowey,
I have received a YDNA match with a Jeffrey Taylor who lives in the US. He is the grandson of the James Taylor and Martha Pedan, who are the subject of this post. This means we are family connected, my Taylors were resident at Aird, Billy parish, Antrim from an earliest known date of 1734 .
Somehow these families were connected from Coleraine to Aird.
In checking Bill McAfee's records I find that in 1663 Hearth money rolls there were the following Taylors in Londonderry
2575 Taylor M'Tayler Patrick Loughinsholin Kilcronaghan Drumcrow [Drumero halfe]
938 Taylor Taylor Edward Keenaght Magilligan Lenamore [Leatmore]
2650 Taylor Taylor Robert Loughinsholin Magherafelt Annaghmore
1207 Taylor Taylor Thomas N. E. Liberties of Coleraine Coleraine The Town & Parish of Coleraine
The Thomas Taylor in Coleraine looks to be of interest. This is a Taylor family name and there were no Taylors in Aird Antrim by that date.
By the time of the Protestant Householder report of 1740 the number of Taylors in Coleraine had grown considerably .
Taylor Taylor Wido Coleraine Aghadowey Not specified
Taylor Taylor Thos Coleraine Aghadowey Not specified
Taylor Taylor Jn Coleraine Aghadowey Not specified
Taylor Taylor Robt Coleraine Dunboe Not specified
Taylor Taylor Thomas Coleraine Dunboe Not specified
Taylor Taylor John Coleraine Dunboe Not specified
Taylor Taylor Charles Coleraine Killowen Not specified
Taylor Taylor Henry Coleraine Killowen Not specified
Taylor Taylor Hen J Coleraine Macosquin Not specified
Taylor Taylor Robt Coleraine Macosquin Not specified
Taylor Taylor Jn Coleraine Macosquin Not specified
Taylor Taylor Wm Coleraine Macosquin Not specified
Taylor Taylor Jn Coleraine Macosquin Not specified
Taylor Taylor Wido Coleraine Macosquin Not specified
Taylor Taylor Wm Coleraine Macosquin Not specified
Taylor Taylor Alex Coleraine Macosquin
There was still only a George and Warren Taylor at Aird in Antrim, the only Taylors in Antrim.
All of these forenames except for Charles were used by my Aird Taylors.
It would appear that it is likely that my Aird Taylors could have come from Coleraine, and that some of the Taylors listed here will be ancesters of the James Taylor married in 1868.
It would appear that checking the Church Register at the Agadhowey presbyterian church might provide some more information on Jame's family and his father William.
Is it possible to access this on the internet ?.
Wyanga
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Family records indicate that James was born about 1840 , would it be possible to see if there is a birth record for him with a father William Taylor.
Civil registration of births started in 1864- before this date there are no birth certificates.
It would appear that checking the Church Register at the Agadhowey presbyterian church might provide some more information on Jame's family and his father William.
Again, the information you are looking for does not exist. Aghadowey Presbyterian baptisms start 1855, marriages from the start of civil registration in 1845 and, like most Presbyterian churches, there are no death records.
There is a marriage of a Taylor girl in 1840s with father William which I'll post later but no way to know if she belongs to the same family (and if she does, how she would be connected).
Added- 20 Oct.1848 William Duff, bleacher, Carnrallagh, son of David Duff, farmer, to Sarah Jane Taylor, Mullahinch, daughter of William Taylor, labourer.
No Taylors listed in the following records for Aghadowey Presbyterian Church-
1850-Nov.1854 Pew List
1852-1853? Names of Subscribers for paying off a debt of borrowed money expended in building Aghadowey Meetinghouse
1 Jan.1863 Names of those who have paid their assessment
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Aghadowey
Thank you once again you have been very thorough in your searches.
I must admit that I was hoping to find addittional information in Church records but it is not to be.
Perhaps my only chance to find more would be in historical books about the region.
I will check with the individual in us to see if the David Duff /Sarah Jane Taylor is familiar
Wyanga
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Just in case Sarah Jane Duff is connected-
Children of William Duff & Sarah Jane "Sally" Taylor-
James, Sarah Jane, David, William John, Andrew, Mary, David, Robert, Violet.
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There are several trees on Ancestry with this James Taylor and Martha Jane Pedan.
Some of them have James father as William Taylor b about 1812 with spouse Letita Rose McGee.
There are no other details and only the son James b in 1840 is listed.The Sarah Taylor married to William Duff in 1848 might be a family member. She and James had a father William from Mullahinch, Aghadowey
Do any of these additional names ring any bells for anyone.
Wyanga
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We have now 3 Padens in the US who have matching YDNA tests. One traces back to a John Henry Peden b 1813 from Coleraine, Londonderry and settled in Ottawa, Ontario Canada. My particular Paden line goes from John PADEN b. 20 Dec 1767 ? Londonderry to Frederick Co, Maryland. I have found a James bc1790 with a son Hugh b 1815 who married at Aghadowey to Jane Reid. Anyone with info on early PADENS/PEDENS please feel free to contact me. The YDNA shows a connection to Clan Mclaren and Clan Colquohon near the Firth of Clyde, Loch Lomond and the Trossachs of Scotland. I could not find much in the early 1700's.
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There are lots of early Pedens in records for First Garvagh Presbyterian Church.
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Thank you. I will look for them.
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Aghadowey
Quote:
Samuel, born 14 Feb.1881 Killowen [Coleraine] [GRONI- Pesten]
Hi you gave me this birth record for a son for James Taylor and Martha Peden.
I am in touch with a son of this Samuel, an 86 yr old William Taylor, a retired professor in the US.
He believes that his father Samuel was born 13 Feb 1882. Coleraine
Is it possible that there is an error in the quote that you gave me or was there a second registration at GRONI for another Samuel in 1882 with father James Taylor.
Would you be able to check this for me.
Wyanga
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The civil birth registration for Samuel Taylor born on 14 February 1881, for parents recorded as James Taylor and Martha Jane Peden, is freely available to view on this Irish Government website:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02845/2042546.pdf
I can't find an 1882 Coleraine civil birth registration for someone called Samuel Taylor.
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gaffy
Thank you for your reply.
That seems clear enough that there is no mistake with the record.
wyanga
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I have another query.
I have found a death record for a William Taylor June 1892. aged 81 born 1810. he was a widower, and labourer from Macosquin and died in the poorhouse Coleraine, with cancer of the throat and lungs.
Is there any way to establish if this was the same William Taylor labourer that was named in James Taylor's marriage to Martha Peden in Ahadowey Presbyterian Church in 1868 as James father?.
There are no next of kin named or the name of his spouse.
Are there any records available for the poorhouse that might supply those details.
Wyanga
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Are there any records available for the poorhouse that might supply those details.
Information on the workhouse is here:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Coleraine/
Scroll down to the bottom to see information on records.
There are no next of kin named or the name of his spouse.
Have a look at this thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html to see what information is included on Irish death certificates/records.
KG
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Kiltaglassan
I cannot see that I can get the addittional information I was wanting, I have the death registration and the death details, I was wanting to see the widows name and any next of kin to assist in identifying the individual. I only have that he was a Widower from Macrosquin and was a labourer aged 81 born about 1810.
Thank you for your help, if you have any other suggestions let me know.