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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: SmallTownGirl on Monday 16 October 17 16:38 BST (UK)
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Hi peeps
Working backwards from Albert Bailey (b. 1840 in Melbourne, Derbys), his father is John Bailey b. 1818 in Wilson.
I have John on the 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 census records; he dies in 1884. All of them show him living at various addresses in Derby with his wife and +/- children, his dob/pob as 1818-19 in Wilson and his occupation as a shoemaker.
I found a baptism of a John Bailey on 3 May 1818 at Breedon on the Hill, s/o William Bailey and Margaret of Wilson. Oh, yippee, I thought and set about trying to find out if William and/or Margaret survived until the 1841 census. I've found a household in Wilson on the 1841 census consisting of:
William Bailey, 45, Ag Lab
Margaret Bailey, 45
Fanny Bailey, 20
John Bailey, 21, Ag Lab
Mary Bailey, 16
Eliza Bailey, 12
Charles Bailey, 10
Hannah Bailey, 7
Abraham Bailey, 5
Nathan Bailey, 1
Mary Bailey, 2mths
All born in County, and I think the County is Leicestershire, despite being in Melbourne (Derbys) sub-registration district.
And my heart sank a bit. How can John be in Derby in 1841, married* with children and being a shoemaker, and be in Wilson with his parents all at the same time? ??? ??? ???
* John married Susannah Peat on 12 Jun 1837 in Melbourne, so that's just a few weeks before civil registration started. Can't find an image of the marriage on t'internet, so don't know who the witnesses were and whether that might help.
There's a marriage in Breedon in 1815 between a William Bailey OTP and a Margaret Adcock OTP, which could be right, but I'm still stuck with the two John Baileys. And to add to the confusion, John appears on several Ancestry trees as John Bailey Adcock; and William appears to father 25 children in both Wilson and Leicester at virtually the same time, so there's clearly something wrong with that. Despite this, numerous people seem to have copied it! ???
Can anyone help me untangle this, please?
Thanks
STG
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When did alberts parents marry?
If after start of registration youve a chance of getting a fathers name from the marriage.
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When did alberts parents marry?
If after start of registration youve a chance of getting a fathers name from the marriage.
Albert's parents married on 12 Jun 1837 - just before civil registration started. :(
STG
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The marriage is on Familysearch - search the catalogue for Melbourne and the PRs are available to view so long as you are signed in. Image 453 of 854 (I think the film No was 1752217 but I can't read my own handwriting !).
John Bailey of Breedon & Susannah Peat OTP, after banns.
Wits: Thomas Worrall & Frances Peat.
Pity it only adds to the confusion ::)
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Just looking at the 1841 census, Ag Lab is ditto'd down against everyone - even the 2-month old baby!
Perhaps John was simply enumerated twice because one family completed the form early thinking John would be there on census night, and the other completed it per the instruction, ie noting who was actually there that night.
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It would certainly be very convenient to believe that William and Margaret thought they had to list all their children, even those no longer living at home, which could account for John [apparently] being in two places at the same time. :)
Makes me concerned though about trying to go further back with William and Margaret in case it's a mis-step. :(
Thanks
STG
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Do you have anything with John's signature on to compare against the 1837 marriage?
Actually, scrap that - it's not going to help, is it, unless he witnessed a sibling's marriage :-\
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Not much help with Bailey but Thomas Worrall marries Frances Peat 28th Jul 1837.....page 459 in the register
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Tried looking at the Bailey marriages
There is a Charles Bailey 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76V-NQZ
Charles Bailey Head M 31 Wilson, Leicestershire
Caroline Bailey Wife F 31 Chellaston, Derbyshire
Mary Bailey Daughter F 1 Chellaston, Derbyshire
Marriage
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV7X-GZ8
Name Charles Bailey
Spouse's Name Caroline Pegg
Event Date 19 Apr 1852
Event Place Chellaston,Derby,England
witnesses Emma Pegg Thomas Middleton
I did the same with Abraham, got these refernces again Wilson
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kwy/
There is a marriage for Nathan 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN8D-N9N
on page 542 Film # 004172619 for the Melbourne records, Sarah Ann Peat is a witness
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Hum. Thanks for that.
Another thing that bothers me about John-the-shoemaker (-v- John-the-ag-lab) is that he and Susannah's children are named
Emmeline
Albert
Ann
and
Louisa
so, not a William or Margaret in sight ???
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I must confess I thought that last night before looking, have you got Emmeline's baptism?
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John married Susannah Peat on 12 Jun 1837 in Melbourne
There is a marriage for Nathan 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN8D-N9N
on page 542 Film # 004172619 for the Melbourne records, Sarah Ann Peat is a witness
Is there any link between Susannah Peat & Sarah Ann Peat?
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I must confess I thought that last night before looking, have you got Emmeline's baptism?
I did start looking the other day - and again just now - but each time the system seems to grind to a halt :(
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John married Susannah Peat on 12 Jun 1837 in Melbourne
There is a marriage for Nathan 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN8D-N9N
on page 542 Film # 004172619 for the Melbourne records, Sarah Ann Peat is a witness
Is there any link between Susannah Peat & Sarah Ann Peat?
Haven't looked much at Susannah yet - because I'm still puzzling about John! :-\
Ancestry has two baptisms for a Susannah Peat in 1816 in Melbourne, one on 7th Jan and the other on 17th, d/o William and Ann. Am thinking they're one and the same, but need to try the register to see for myself.
Edited to say : And FS has another baptism for a Susannah Peat in 1816 in Melbourne on 2 June, d/o James and Sarah. Oh dear :-X