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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: blacksmithy on Monday 16 October 17 22:35 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have had some good success tracing this family through in and out going passenger records, electoral rolls, crossing border records but still have a couple of questions I would like assistance with, so hopefully someone can head me in the correct direction.
James Purse born 1876 Cambuslang Scotland - Grocer. Immigrated 26 September 1910 on the Grampian with his wife Nellie Crichton (1881-1927).
Oddly the passenger shipping record states she went to Victoria and James to Winnipeg - I cannot see any reason for this?? Does anyone have any insight as to why this might be the case?.
James, Nellie, young James and brother Thomas all returned to Scotland in 1922 to visit James oldest sister Mary Russell at Moreland cottage Lochwinnoch.
Nellie died in 1927.
James remarried to Elizabeth Bertha Magwood who died 1944 and is buried at Ross Bay Cemetery Victoria BC.
I can find no place of burial for James who supposedly died 2 June 1965. James had numerous occupations including Grocer, Book keeper and also Minister. Would love help to locate his resting place pleas
Before James and Nellie left Scotland they had 2 boys James Cameron Purse (b 1904 Cambuslang- d. 1988 New Westminister British Columbia) and Thomas Crichton Purse (b. 1906 Cambuslang - d. 1888 Maple Ridge Vancouver).
My questions here are:
I could not find their names on the passenger list with their parents. Ancestry's copy is very hard to read unfortunately Can anyone locate when the boys arrived in Canada?
Young James married Frances Goddard and had various occupations around tailor cutter/design supervisor. He has Boarder Crossing information which is helpful. He is buried at Robinson Memorial Park Coquitlam and she is at Mountain View Cemetery. Not sure if they had children?
Thomas I am less clear about. Query he divorced Doris Rose, and possibly remarried. He had a couple of Boarder Crossing entries. The one on 1 September 1937 was declined for a false and misleading statement - there for immoral purposes! He went with a Fred ?Noran. He tried again within 12months this time with Lillian Miller and was rejected again.
What does the Boarder Crossing Form abbreviation NIV LAC mean please?
Thomas is buried with at Langely Lawn Cemetery Vancouver. I think Doris and Thomas had a son William Harold Purse (1930-2012) and he is buried with Frances Annie Purse (1918-2013), found through Find a Grave.
Can anyone shed light on who she is as Find a Grave say's she is Williams spouse!
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Hopefully some questions can be answered, or a fellow chatter can put me correct.
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I can find no place of burial for James who supposedly died 2 June 1965. James had numerous occupations including Grocer, Book keeper and also Minister. Would love help to locate his resting place pleas
According to James's death certificate, he is buried in Royal Oak Burial Park
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/925477eb-11c7-4817-9f0c-f3ce2eb1f915
RK
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...Before James and Nellie left Scotland they had 2 boys James Cameron Purse (b 1904 Cambuslang- d. 1988 New Westminister British Columbia) and Thomas Crichton Purse (b. 1906 Cambuslang - d. 1888 Maple Ridge Vancouver).
My questions here are:
I could not find their names on the passenger list with their parents. Ancestry's copy is very hard to read unfortunately Can anyone locate when the boys arrived in Canada?...
UK Outward Passenger List
Sailing on the Grampian, departing Glasgow, Scotland on 29 April 1911 and arriving Montreal, Canada
Mrs? Jas Purse, wife
James Purse, child
Thomas Purse, child
All "Scotch"
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James Cameron Purse Jr's death cert has a son listed as informant. You can read his name here
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/2998e2b0-1b82-43bf-822e-5bee0a59a727
RK
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Informant on Thomas's death cert is his wife.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/8213f77b-9d50-4c02-acf7-03dbfad9f9ca
RK
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Looking at the Grampian sailing from Glasgow to Scotland and arriving 24 September 1910, it looks like
James Purse, age 32, married, destination Winnipeg, was Grocer, intending to be a Missionary
??ttie Purves?, age 23?, single, destination Victoria?, BC, was housekeeper and intended to be a housekeeper.
Did James travel with his sister? Why was she recorded as single? It looks like she was only 23 years old. :-\
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...Before James and Nellie left Scotland they had 2 boys James Cameron Purse (b 1904 Cambuslang- d. 1988 New Westminister British Columbia) and Thomas Crichton Purse (b. 1906 Cambuslang - d. 1888 Maple Ridge Vancouver).
My questions here are:
I could not find their names on the passenger list with their parents. Ancestry's copy is very hard to read unfortunately Can anyone locate when the boys arrived in Canada?...
UK Outward Passenger List
Sailing on the Grampian, departing Glasgow, Scotland on 29 April 1911 and arriving Montreal, Canada
Mrs? Jas Purse, wife
James Purse, child
Thomas Purse, child
All "Scotch"
Great find Lisa. Here is the image of the Purse family on the Grampian, 1911, Nellie, James and Thomas... she is going to her husband. (Free image, from the Library and Archives Canada site)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kwq/
RK
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Thank you, RK. :) Thank you for your help with the image.
Looking at the UK Outward Passenger List (17 September 1910) for James Purse and "Nellie",
Nettie Purves, Dom., age 23, going to Victoria.
Directly above her name is
Georgina Gill(?), Dressmaker, age 23, going to Victoria.
Could the two women have known each other and intended to settle in Victoria? Perhaps Nettie was not "your" Nellie?
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Lisa, that makes a lot of sense. "Nellie" on the 1910
census passenger list (oops...wrote the wrong thing :P) is actually Nettie Purves, and no relation to James Purse. This explains why she is going to Vancouver and not to Winnipeg.
The 1911 passenger list that you found shows Nellie and the 2 boys coming to live with James.
This is how it often happens... husband comes out first and gets settled, then wife and children come later. I can't imagine Nellie coming to Canada in 1910 with James and leaving both of her boys behind ???
RK
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1911 Victoria, BC Census
Nettie Purvis, born April 1888?, age 23, born Scotland, immigrated 1910, Presbyterian, Domestic - Boarding House. Nationality: Canadian
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I thought perhaps she may have left the boys with a close relative, just to check out their intended relocation place, but now looking at possibly all of the facts, it does seem likely that Nellie and the boys only sailed in 1911.
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RK, great job finding the death certificates. ;)
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Great team effort :) :) :).
Here is the search page for the Royal BC Museum genealogy collection. blacksmithy might be able to find more here.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy
RK
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blacksmithy, I would also suggest that look for obituaries for your Purse family. You know many of their death dates. Obits might help you to sort out descendants etc.
RK
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Obituary for William Purse, son of Thomas and Doris - 2012
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=William-Purse&lc=3744&pid=160128518&mid=5251839
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/vancouversun/obituary.aspx?pid=160124729
RK
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His wife Frances
http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Frances-Purse&lc=3744&pid=166669522&mid=5648970
RK
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Thank you so much for your team effort. So pleased to have the time of the immigration from Scotland confirmed as 1911. I fell in to the trap of Nettie not Nellie. I also thought maybe James had gone to sort the place before the children arrived! Problem solved.
The BC archives have been great and added more to my family tree. I had tried them yesterday but couldn't seem to get in to them.
One more question raised however is who Nora Magdalene Hearne who is written on James death cert in 1965. I have not been able to tie her in to the family. I have found a marriage record for her in December 1907 to Allan Bye at Owen Sounds. I have not found a death cert for him, so wonder if she really is James wife?? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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1916, Nora Bye, her husband and daughter are in Saskatchewan
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMG1-2T8
She is working her way West :)
RK
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Byes in Moose Jaw Saskatchewan in 1921
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003122948
RK
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Nora Magdalen Purse death:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/2e243db7-4c3c-48fe-8a22-da9a127710c0
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Nora's obit says she was in the Province for 40 years, so must have arrived around 1928.
You have Nora's date of death from her death cert. You could see if the Victoria Library has an obituary for her.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/2e243db7-4c3c-48fe-8a22-da9a127710c0
RK
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Thanks for the documents although I still haven't found a marriage certificate for James and Nora. I love the names of the areas, Moose Jaw!!
Also I have not been able to access a clear image of the immigration for James, Nellie, and children. Could someone confirm where their port of arrival is. And also James' occupation if recorded.
Many thanks.
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I still haven't found a marriage certificate for James and Nora.
The second wife died in 1944, so that is a minimum of 1944 to be a marriage year to Nora. BC privacy laws for marriages tops out at 1941.
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Awesome thanks for that - I shan't keep looking! So many different rules for different countrie, and I am still trying to work my way around Canadian records!
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Hi,
I posted a link to an image of the passenger list showing Nellie and the two boys in arriving in 1911 (see Reply 6). Lisa found them - the ship, date etc and posted the information. I just added the link to the Library and Archives Canada image. I don't know what the image on a...y looks like, because I don't have a current sub. I guess you can choose whichever one is the clearest.
Going from the information provided by Lisa in Reply 5, you can find the Grampian arriving on 24 Sept 1910, on the Library and Archives Canada site as well.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=5488&
If you have access to another site where you can do a name search and can get the page number showing James... you can flip to the same page number here and see if the image is any better. If not... you can page through this list to find your James. Best to magnify the entire screen so that you can read the individual images, instead of choosing them one by one, making them bigger, than having to start again with each image. You will see what I mean when you try to go through the passenger list. A bit annoying, but the images are free, so we shouldn't complain!! Hope this passenger list will be clearer than any other one you may have seen on a different site.
RK
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Thanks RK
I will give that a go shortly.
Thanks again everyone for their time and expertise :)
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https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=5488&
RK
I took a look (it's page 12 on the above link that RK gave), and I think that Mr. Purse is travelling alone. The passenger list has grouped the folks somewhat alphabetically, and, after trying to clean it up in photoshop, I have to agree with the transcriber that the name below Purse is Purves. Also, they are not travelling on the same ticket (column 1). It looks more like age 73?
I honestly think that two similar names in a row is "tricking" you.
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Looking through the BC vitals, this could be her if she was 23 on the ship list:
Janet Purves, living in Victoria, from Scotland, age 27 married William Flewin in 1914.
On the passenger list, she is probably going by Nettie.
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Hello Blacksmithy, You are seeking information about James Cameron Purse and his descendants. He is my great grandfather. Would you please share with me your interest in my family? I have some historical documents and data.
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Hi Old Gaul
welcome to Rootschat, this looks like your first post. The focus of my family research is the Welsh family originally from Wigstown Scotland, they then moved further north to the Renfrewshire area. My research has taken me both upwards and outwards as my interest developed with where and when the family began to emigrate in the 1860's onwards. James Cameron Purse (1845-1921) married Ann Welsh. She is my 1st cousin 4x removed. James and Ann had nine children. Ann is the daughter of James Caldwell Welsh and Mary Miller.
Ann (married to James Cameron Purse) is the cousin to my great great-grandfather William Welsh (who married Rhoda Niblett). William went to New Zealand from Scotland and he married Rhoda in NZ(she came from England).
I would very much welcome any information you are willing to share.
Thank you for your email
Blacksmithy