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Title: Massey
Post by: soosfamily on Tuesday 17 October 17 17:45 BST (UK)
John Peter Massey my father,  was born in September 1910 in Vancouver or Kelowna. Also his brother 1909 and sister, 1912. Their father Hugh Alexander was an Insurance Agent working in Vancouver.
Is there any way I can find their birth information without having to pay 50 dollars for each certificate?I would be so grateful for any suggestions.

Thanks, Sue Humphries, Canterbury England
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: mgeneas on Tuesday 17 October 17 17:49 BST (UK)
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy

But I think they were born too late.
Have you found them in the 1921 census?
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 October 17 17:55 BST (UK)
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy

But I think they were born too late.
Have you found them in the 1921 census?

Births only go up to 1903

Familysearch is the same unfortunately.


Sandra
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 October 17 17:58 BST (UK)
Try RAOGK volunteer on this link - the sixth on the list initials M M used to sometimes answer questions on the Canada board.

https://www.raogk.org/lookups/region/british-columbia/

Sandra
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: soosfamily on Tuesday 17 October 17 19:59 BST (UK)
The family left Canada in 1914 at the outbreak of w.war 1 & returned to England.
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 17 October 17 20:38 BST (UK)
1911 census they are in Vancouver.  It just says BC for the boys' place of birth.  Has the birth months...
Hugh sr - March 1882
Leah - Nov 1884
Hugh - July 1910 (must mean to say 1909!!)
Peter - Sept 1910

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=63835

RK
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 17 October 17 20:45 BST (UK)
Are you looking for full dates of birth... or do you have those?  Is it location that is of primary interest (Vancouver or Kelowna)?

Using the information you provided and the information on the Canadian 1911 census, I can see a John Peter Massey born in that year/month on the 1939 register.  This might be your father.  If you need his full birthdate, you can look there.  (Sorry - I am not allowed to do a 1939 register look up for you)

Have you checked passenger lists? 

RK
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 17 October 17 21:03 BST (UK)
I see the Hugh Alexander died in WW1... was Royal Navy.   

Sometimes military records show birth information for children.

If you have access to findmypast...there is a record set called  "Royal Naval Division 1914-1918 Transcription" .  On Hugh Alexander's record, it says that the children were born in Kelowna.  I am not entirely sure where they got their information from.

RK
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 17 October 17 21:08 BST (UK)
Looking at the other military records on findmypast for Hugh Alexander, I don't see any that list his children in the actual record.  Though, the records are not as complete as many I have seen. 

Looks like his military files are at the National Archives.  I wonder if the children's births would be recorded in any of these

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7680070

But, if they are the same as the ones on findmypast... there isn't a lot of information there.  I wonder where that Royal Naval Division Transcription record set got their information about the children.  They say it is from records...wonder where those records are??

RK
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 17 October 17 21:14 BST (UK)
I expect you have seen this... lots of information about the family here.

https://westendvancouver.wordpress.com/biographies-a-m/biographies-m/massey-hugh-alexander-1883-1915/

Have you checked your father's military records from WW2?  I don't know about privacy/who can access UK records from WW2... but as you are his daughter, I would think you might be entitled to view them.  Perhaps they would say where he was born. 

RK
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 October 17 21:14 BST (UK)
There is an anc tree with John Peter Massey 25 September 1910 - 1973 Scotland.  Photograph attached. This looks like Sue's tree.

Sandra
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 October 17 21:22 BST (UK)
There is a also a private tree for Hugh Holland Massey and another public one giving date - 28 July 1909 - 21 December 1973 - Surrey South Western, Surrey.

and Leah Barbara Massey 19 October 1912 -  8 March 2008 - Warminster, Wiltshire. England.

Poster just asked for a way of getting the birth certs without having to pay $50 so it would be worth an e-mail to the suggested RAOGK volunteer mentioned in reply 3 - the sixth on the list initials M M.

https://www.raogk.org/lookups/region/british-columbia/

Sandra
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: susano on Wednesday 18 October 17 09:25 BST (UK)
I don't know of any way a RAOGK volunteer could access birth certificates in British Columbia prior to 1904.  These records are restricted. 

Next of kin with proof of death may be able to request a copy from BC Vital Statistics.  The current cost of birth certificates in BC is $27.  It may be worth emailing to inquire.  https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/life-events/births-adoptions/births/birth-certificates

Do you have his death registration or certificate?  Is the birth date and place of birth included on this document?

Susan
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 October 17 09:56 BST (UK)
The RAOGK volunteer in Vancouver is a very, very helpful chap. As I understand it - with written authorization from the person who is eligible to apply for a birth certificate he can access and purchase a birth certificate on there behalf - which would be cheaper than the $50 dollars the poster quoted.

Sandra
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: susano on Wednesday 18 October 17 11:35 BST (UK)
Sandra,

Perhaps that is possible and certainly worthwhile for Sue to inquire about with BC Vital Statistics.  I believe the Vital Stats office is in Victoria so would be a ferry ride away for a volunteer in Vancouver.  There is an email address on the link that I provided in my previous post.

Susan
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: soosfamily on Wednesday 18 October 17 15:03 BST (UK)
Runkitty
Thank you so much for all your info and suggestions. It is just the definite place of birth that I would like to discover. If they were born in Vancouver, I would like to know why Kelowna is mentioned.
I believe I can get my father's birth certificate but not the others, because of their 120 years since birth rule. I have a world subscription to Ancestry but most of their records seem to be Quebeck.

Sue
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: soosfamily on Wednesday 18 October 17 15:31 BST (UK)
Susano

Thanks for your reply. On my father's flying training documents from Cranwell, it says that birth place was Vancouver 'as per birth certificate'. I thought maybe Kelowna might be included in the Vancouver district. I think I shall send for the birth certificate - I have his death certificate - and presume that the other children were the same. I now have to find out where the 'Kelowna' reference came from!

Thanks for all your help and suggestions.
Sue
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: soosfamily on Wednesday 18 October 17 15:46 BST (UK)
Runkitty
Re WW2 records, I know my father was in India flying people to & fro over the Himalayas and he later met my mother there - I was born in Karachi in 1949. I have no birth certificate!!
The website that you mention is fantastic. My brother sent it to me and this is what prompted me to look into the Canada births question. I shall try to find out where the Kelowna thing came from.
Sue
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 18 October 17 15:52 BST (UK)
Hi Sue,

Yes... I can see why you would like to know.  Vancouver and Kelowna are not very close (around 400 km apart)!  If your father and his siblings were born in Kelowna...that would be a bit of a mystery for you to solve.

Interesting that your father's own military records say he was born in Vancouver "as per birth certificate".   The only place I have seen Kelowna mentioned is in the Royal Navy record transcription for his father -- that I posted about earlier.  There is no image to go with this transcript - I wonder if it is some sort of compilation of several different documents? 

I was trying to think of other records where your father's birth location might have been recorded (to save you purchasing a birth cert).   The best I could think of were records that would have been filled out by his parents - like his father's WW1 military records. 

Probably the best thing is to see if you can get your father's birth certificate (for less than 50 dollars!!).   That should be the most reliable/accurate record.   

As for BMD records and privacy laws in Canada - there is no national standard.  Each Province sets its own rules. 

RK 
Title: Re: Massey
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 18 October 17 16:04 BST (UK)
Well done RK - pleased to see your efforts have been  acknowledged - that was very courteous   ;)

Sandra