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Can anyone please help. I am trying to find out where James Slack is buried. He was born around 1824 in Norbury/Notbury Staffordshire or Wildborclough Cheshire. He died on the 13th February 1898 in Sutton Macclesfield Cheshire. He was married to Margaret (Kemp), and she died around 1904/7 and is buried in Sutton Churchyard Maclesfield, with people we have never heard of. I have exhausted my searches, and wonder if anyone can help if they are going to Chester Archives and do a search for me. I cannot go forward with my family tree until I find out where James is buried. I have his marriage certificate and it states his father was also called James, but that is all I know, and I would love to find out who his mother was and go further back. thank you.
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On Findmypast under the Diocese of Chester Bishop's Transcripts of Baptisms is:
March 2 (1823) in Over, Cheshire. James son of James (a salt boiler - or could be felt!) and Sarah.
There's also a marriage in Whitegate, Cheshire of a James Slack and Sarah Littler on 24 June 1816 "by banns with the consent of their parents" so I assume they were both young.
The only burial I could find for a James Slack was in 1896 for someone born about 1822. The burial was in Sutton, Macclesfield. (although I did see the death you found)
However, I don't think these tie up with the man you are looking for.
I found James and Margaret Kemp's marriage, they married in Macclesfield, so I wonder if that's where he was buried?
Was he living at 43 Langley, Sutton when he died or 55 Garden Street, Macclesfield? (Addresses taken from Cheshire Electoral Registers)
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For background some previous threads (I haven't linked to them all)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=738861.msg5850583#msg5850583
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=593953.msg4443196#msg4443196
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=688937.msg5328482#msg5328482
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=615039.msg4638693#msg4638693
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=606492.msg4559773#msg4559773
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Thanks for that JenB - it looks as though this query has been going on for sometime, so I'll back out as I have nothing new to add.
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I used to live in this area :) The occupation would be Salt Boiler - Winsford has salt mines. Whitegate would be a good location, not very far from Winsford. And Slack is a well-known surname in Winsford.
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Hello There,
If I am correct, this is James Slack, in the 1841 Census in Prestbury. People on here who have a subscription to Find My Past, may be able to view the original image, and possibly find out what his occupation (if any) may have been on this particular Census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7MG-KKH
Now what is interesting for me anyway is that in that Census, there was an Abraham Slack.
This may possibly have been a sibling of James Slack.
In the 1871 Census, James has a Son called Abraham:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX4-DQS
I tried to track this Abraham, possible sibling of James, through the Census returns. I found an Abraham, on the 1851 Census, in Stockport. What is interesting for me, is that this Abraham appears to have been a: "Colice Printer." If I remember rightly, on one of your posts, you state that James Slack, may have been a: "Calico Printer."
Here is this Abraham on the 1851 Census transcription, on Family Search. Once again, other people on here, who may subscribe to Find My Past, may be able to view the original image. Abraham's place of birth has been put down as Staffordshire:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2D-BCK
It is interesting that on the 1841 Census transcriptions for this pair, their place of birth, has been listed as outside of Cheshire.
I found a baptism for an Abraham Slack, in Longnor, St Bartholomew, Staffordshire for the year 1820, on Find My Past. But however, once again because unfortunately I do not subscribe to FindMyPast, I am unable to click onto it. But perhaps some other people here on Rootschat, may possibly be able to click onto it and see who this persons parents were:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records?firstname=abraham&keywordsplace=staffordshire&lastname=slack&yearofbirth=1819&yearofbirth_offset=5
If the original Census image from 1851, for this Abraham in Stockport, gives his birth place as Longnor, then the baptism may probably be the right one. :)
There is also a baptism for a James Slack, in Longnor, Staffordshire:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records?_page=17&keywordsplace=staffordshire&lastname=slack&yearofbirth=1819&yearofbirth_offset=5
But, unfortunately, there is also a burial in Staffordshire for a James Slack, in the same place in 1833. :(His year of birth has been put down as 1823. However, I don't know if this person, was the same as the baptism for a James that I found:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records?collection=parish-burials&keywordsplace=staffordshire&lastname=slack&yearofbirth=1819&yearofbirth_offset=5
But looking at the map, of where this place is, it is only a few miles from Wildboarclough:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Longnor/Wildboarclough/@53.1761944,-1.9828917,12z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x487a3a52a4e7f7e5:0xdf2b931c493701bf!2m2!1d-1.8696367!2d53.18201!1m5!1m1!1s0x487a37ec37baef79:0xbf705d5a557c6693!2m2!1d-2.02801!2d53.216502
I hope I may have possibly been some help to you.
Thank you very much. :) ;)
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I cannot seem to find a James Slack, son of a James being baptised in that area of Staffordshire, or around the Cheshire/ Staffordshire area. :(
I see that James was living in Sutton, Cheshire, in the 1851 Census.
In the same place on the same Census, there was another Abraham Slack, and his place of birth was put down as: "Longnor, Staffordshire." He was down as being born in 1802, and was a Shoemaker. I cannot see on this transcription, who he was married to:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2M-M4N
Cheers. :)
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Hello Again,
If you are really that keen on trying to find the burial of James Slack, I wander if you have tried a website called Deceased Online at all?
https://www.deceasedonline.com/
I could not find a burial for my 3x Great Grandad, Henry Ringrose on FindMyPast, Family Search, or anywhere else. And the only place that I found it was on the above website.
He was buried in 1917, in Nottingham, most probably in an unmarked grave: There were other people buried in the same plot.
Regarding the 1841 Census, where I found a James Slack aged 18, in the same household as an Abraham Slack: Curiosity got the better of me, and I decided to look at the original Census image on Find My Past:
Both Abraham, and James on that Census were printers. Abraham was down as a: "Calico Printer". James was down as aged 18, and listed as a: "Silk Printer". What is interesting that the address of the street is put down as: "Bank Edge." But even more interesting is that at the top of this original image it states: "Township of Wildboarclough."
The transcription (not original image) on Find My Past just states: "Bank Edge, Prestbury, Macclesfield, Cheshire."
Here is a link to this original 1841 Census image on Find My Past:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1841%2f0107%2f0291&parentid=gbc%2f1841%2f0008416245
What is interesting is that in the 1851 Census, your James was still a: "Silk Printer.":
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVV-YJV
I have already posted a link that I found showing Abraham Slack a: "Calico Printer" in the 1851 Census.
What I am getting at here is that I would be very surprised if this Abraham, and James, were not Brothers, or at the very least Cousins.
But I was thinking that there may be an "in between" scenario:
This is just a THEORY A POSSIBILITY: But it goes like this:
This James could have been born illegitimate.
Going back to my 3x Great Grandad Henry Ringrose: He was baptised Henry Pride Ringrose in 1837, in Hoveringham, Nottinghamshire. The name of his Mother was Charlotte Ringrose, and she was not married when Henry was born. The Father's name was not put down on the register, or the baptism record. But on the 1841 Census in Hoveringham, there was a William Pride, who was single, and living a few doors down from the Ringrose's. His occupation was a: "Framework Knitter", and he was living with his mother.
Anyway, to cut a very long story short, there were no other "Pride candidates" in the immediate area who could have been the Father of my Henry.
Henry married in 1860, in Nottingham. He lied on his marriage certificate. Under, name , and occupation of father he had written: "William Ringrose, Deceased.":
It is my opinion that Henry used the Christian name of his biological father, and the surname of his mother.
Henry's mother, Charlotte Ringrose, married Joseph Hall, in Shepshed, Leicestershire, in 1844. He was a: "Framework Knitter."
Henry married again in the 1880's, after his first Wife died.
This time on the marriage certificate, for name, and occupation of Father he had written:
"Joseph Ringrose, Circular hand."
So there may be a POSSIBILITY, that your James Slack, could have been baptised under a different name, and may have lied about the name of his Father, on the marriage certificate.
Therefore it could POSSIBLY be the case that Abraham Slack, and James may have been half brothers.
The above is a theory and something to think about regarding James. :) ;)
Thank you very much. :)
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Hello again,
I've thought of another possibility regarding the Father of James Slack:
He could have been using a "Nickname/ shortened" first name for his father.
He could also have been using his Father's middle name.
You state that you have James marriage certificate.
For the occupation of his Father, what was written on the Certificate please?
Does it state that his Father was deceased?
Were there any witnesses to the wedding?
Thank you. :)
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You state that you have James marriage certificate.
For the occupation of his Father, what was written on the Certificate please?
Does it state that his Father was deceased?
Were there any witnesses to the wedding?
There are many other details on the several threads I linked to in reply #2, including the marriage :)
Marriage January 18th 1854 Macclesfield
James Slack, 30, bachelor, printer. Father: James Slack, labourer
Margaret Kemp, 22, spinster. Father: Thomas Kemp, colour maker
Witnesses: Henry James Bryan and Thomas Hoblands?
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You state that you have James marriage certificate.
For the occupation of his Father, what was written on the Certificate please?
Does it state that his Father was deceased?
Were there any witnesses to the wedding?
There are many other details on the several threads I linked to in reply #2, including the marriage :)
Marriage January 18th 1854 Macclesfield
James Slack, 30, bachelor, printer. Father: James Slack, labourer
Margaret Kemp, 22, spinster. Father: Thomas Kemp, colour maker
Witnesses: Henry James Bryan and Thomas Hoblands?
Thank you. :)
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You are putting in a lot of work on chestnut's behalf :)
Some of the baptisms you mention in your first reply were, I think, suggested in this thread which I suggest you take a look at :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745001.msg5920829#msg5920829
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You are putting in a lot of work on chestnut's behalf :)
Some of the baptisms you mention in your first reply were, I think, suggested in this thread which I suggest you take a look at :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745001.msg5920829#msg5920829
Haha!
Thank you. :)
The Abraham Slack that was mentioned in one of the posts in the link you show above was born in Prestbury, in 1819. :)
The Abraham Slack that I found was baptised in 1820, in Staffordshire, in Longdnor. :)
This is getting complicated.
Haha! :) ;)
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The Abraham Slack that I found was baptised in 1820, in Staffordshire, in Longdnor. :)
The 1820 Longnor one was actually referred to reply #1 on the thread I just mentioned, but the link given to freeREG has now expired.
There's this one for Longnor..
http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/56fd5de233045b470f000b24
There has been a lot of duplication of work and effort on the various threads about this person.
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The Abraham Slack that I found was baptised in 1820, in Staffordshire, in Longdnor. :)
The 1820 Longnor one was actually referred to reply #1 on the thread I just mentioned, but the link given to freeREG has now expired.
There's this one for Longnor..
http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/56fd5de233045b470f000b24
There has been a lot of duplication of work and effort on the various threads about this person.
Yes.
Thank you again. :)
Links to Freereg "Break up".
It appears that from looking at Census returns, there were two Abraham's who were around the same age, as the one that I found being born in 1820, possibly (if I remember correctly) in the same area also.
It is also interesting that one of the replies on the post that you pasted a link to suggested that on his Marriage Certificate, the name James could have been written in twice by mistake. One of them being under the section for the name of his father!
Cheers. :) ;)
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Thank you to everyone for their help and advice in my search. On James' marriage certificate to Margaret Kemp it states that his father was also called James . I am now thinking that perhaps there were other first names although they were known as James. James snr was present at the wedding of James & Margaret Kemp on the 18th January 1854. and was listed as a labourer. On the 1841/51 it shows the address as Bank Edge Wildborclough. This is also in the Parish of Prestbury. He was living with an Abraham Slack who was a calico printer as was James so I am presuming they were brothers. I have spoken to the Vicar of Sutton Church and he can't find any records relating to James' burial. I will keep searching. thank you again
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James snr was present at the wedding of James & Margaret Kemp on the 18th January 1854. and was listed as a labourer.
Just wondering how you know he was present? He wasn't one of the witnesses :-\
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James snr was present at the wedding of James & Margaret Kemp on the 18th January 1854. and was listed as a labourer.
Just wondering how you know he was present? He wasn't one of the witnesses :-\
To echo Jen's point, James answered to the vicars question,What's your father's name and what job does he do.........James and he's a labourer.It doesn't mean he was present at his wedding nor does it even mean that he is still alive.It depends if the vicar asked that question too. ;)
Carol
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Thank you everyone for all your information regarding the burial place of James Slack. I am getting the feeling that he could have been either buried in or around Leek Staffs or Hyde Cheshire. As you know on the census' it states that he was born in Norbury Staffs, which could have been Knotbury as it is very close to Wildborclough, and as to the Hyde connection, some of the Slack family lived in the area including his son. The address in Hyde was Ivy Cottage Joel Lane Hyde Cheshire. Perhaps he is buried in that area, although his wife Margaret who died in 1904, and died at her son's address in Hyde, is buried in Sutton Macclesfield . All very mysterious. Looking through all the searches, I can see that there are loads of James Slacks' in the winsford area, but I don't think these are connected. The only problem I have, is that there are a lots of James Slacks' in the Sutton Macclesfield area as well. I will have to get back to drawing board I think Thanks everyone.
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Thank you everyone who has searched for me in looking for James Slack's burial place (1824-1898). I am now going to concentrate on the Longnor Staffs area, and maybe try and get to that area to search. Thanks again everyone, for all your work, I will keep on trying to find where he is buried and indeed his true place of birth. A few people have suggested that Abraham Slack is his brother, and I am also thinking along those lines. I have found out that quite a few of the Slack family moved to the Hyde/Stalybridge in the 1900's, so I wonder if there is a connection there. Thanks again.
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Thank you everyone for helping in my search. You wanted to know who was mentioned on the wedding certificate. James Slack (1824) was 30 when he married Margaret Kemp on the 18th January 1854 . James 's father was listed also as James and was a labourer. The witnesses were Henry James Bryan and Thomas Holland. It does not say that James Snr was dec'd, so he must have still been alive on that date.
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It does not say that James Snr was dec'd, so he must have still been alive on that date.
Sorry, but this statement isn’t correct. There have been many threads on Rootschat on this very subject. It depended upon whether the question ‘is your father still alive?’ was asked of the bride or groom or, if it wasn’t asked, if they actually offered the information.
You cannot say conclusively that the absence of the word ‘deceased’ means that the father was still alive.
Edit: I now realise this point already covered in Carols reply #17
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New thread, asking for the same information about James's birth and burial.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782444.msg6370382#msg6370382
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There appear to be a number of possibilities for James' burial site in Sutton.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CHS/sutton1
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Thanks to everyone with all the advice I have now found out that James Slack (1823/24) is buried in Sutton Churchyard Macclesfield . Unfortunately when he died on the 13th January 1898 the incumbent forgot to write down the grave number, so although I know he is there I don't know which grave he is in. Thanks again to everyone.