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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: jennyrob on Thursday 19 October 17 13:11 BST (UK)
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Hoping someone can help The above it proving difficult to find birth details of Mary said to be born Kilfinnichen in 1874 according to Census 1901 and 1910
I have found her marriage cert to Donald McClean where her father is name as Neil Mc Gillivray a ploughman i and mother is Mary McGillivray deceased in 3 June 1898 in Glasgow
Also details on her death cert her father is named Neil and Mary 12 Jan 1953 at 79 in Glasgow
I have found a web site Mull genealogy and can find nothing on that Anyone have any other ideas
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Have you found her on the 1881 census? Is her mothers maiden name shown on the marriage cert?
Any marriage for her parents on Scotlands People? One in 1859 - both surname McGilvray and in Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon
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No cant find her on 1881 census
She did have step brothers and sisters Kate John and Hugh cant find them either but thought possibily to be younger
Yes on Sarah's marriage details in 1898 her mother was a Mary McGillivray So it could be 1859 marriage I found that marriage of Find my past with no other details available
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I did see this 1866 birth index entry https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYR2-RYB but nothing else for this couple except a possible marriage in 1859 with Mary also showing a maiden name of MCGILVRAY https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTK6-6Z3 You need to look on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, pay to view but costs are reasonable. This will give you the original image of marriage cert to view online
Census entries are not helping either. In 1861 there is a 19yr old Neil McGillvray from Kildalton, argyleshire working as a ploughman in Erskine Renfrewshire.
Monica
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Bought a few credits to solve the 23 December 1859 marriage
Sandra
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Could this be a possible - Fionphort 2 Argyll 1851
Donald Mcgilvray 60 Born Kilfinichen, argyleshire 1791.
Bell Mcgilvray 50 Born Kilfinichen, argyleshire 1801.
John Mcgilvray 30 Born Kilfinichen, argyleshire 1821.
Janet Mcgilvray 31 Daughter In Law. Born Iona, argyleshire.
Niel Mcgilvray 24 Born 1827 Kilfinichen, argyleshire
Marion Mcgilvray 13 Born Iona, argyleshire 1838.
John Mcdonald 15 Visitor born Iona, argyleshire
Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910 - Isobel Mc Arthur - 1 February 1820 - Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon,Argyll,Scotland - Donald Mcgilva.
1861 Ferry House Iona Argyll.
Donald Mcgilvray 70
Isobel Mcgilvray 60
Niel Mcgilvray 30 Should be married if he was the right guy.
Marrion Mcgilvray 20
Margaret McCormick 6
1841Sivergain Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon
Donald Mcgilvra 40
Isabella Mcgilvra 40
John Mcgilvra 15
Niel Mcgilvra 14
Mary Mcgilvra 12
Pegy Mcgilvra 6
Marion Mcgilvra 2
Jessy Mcgilvra 15
Sandra
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Just to note that Niel McGilivray who was born 2 August 1839 to Donald McGilivray and Flora McArthur passed away 1861
Niel McGilivray - 22 years - McArthur - 1861 - 538/ 11 - Iona
Sandra
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They are a hard lot to trace through aren't they, Sandra ::)
I think from what you have found on the censuses and the marriage cert from 1859, that you have very likely the right Neil. Not sign of him after excet that possible 1866 birth from earlier https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYR2-RYB
Cannot see a death for him that could so far on SP.
Monica
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Yes, defo - so many combination of the spelling of names as well.
Sandra
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Another 6 credits shows that the death of a Mary McGilvray Snr in Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon of the right age was not yours.
Mary McGilvray - 61 years - 1890 - 542/ 26 - Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon
Sandra
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Sandra Thats so kind of you Can I get some money to you for the credits
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No need for payment - just trying to help - family are hard to find.
Sandra
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Thankyou for your kindness
I have just letter from a cousin, saying:-
Neil McGillivray D.193?
Daughter Sarah
Step sister Kate
Step brother Johnnie (who used to visit my parents)
Step brother Hugh wife Dolly
Daughters Jessie and Marion
My cousin thought they were younger than Sarah. and cousin remembers going to Morvern, and Kate was living there with Neil McGillivray,
at Larachbeg.
Ardtonnish Estate.
Lochaline,
Morvern.
It looks like Mary was born out of wedlock and these children were product of Neil and Mary together
Cant find any births for these yet
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Let's work through with the new info, jennyrob :)
Mary stated that her mother was deceased when she married in 1898. Father Neil showing as alive on the marriage cert from what you mention?
Monica
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This looks a possible connection to Neil that you could follow up https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/802783/mcgilvray,-archibald/
Monica
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This looks a possibility for the family of the Neil that you mention from the 1901 census:
Neil Mcgillivary 53 ploughman I think from the transcript. Birth place also mistranscribed as seresay, Argyll
Grains Neil Mcgillivary 41 ages for this son and twin (?) Hugh are wrong for sure
Twins Hugh Mcgillivary 41
John Mcgillivary 13
Sarah Mcgillivary 12
Arche Mcgillivary 10
Katie Mcgillivary 8
Mary Mcneil 40 housekeeper
Address: Achuaha House, Morvern
You should check the original image on SP for this one. Possible that wife has died?
Monica
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1891 transcript not much better....
Aul McGilvray 40 Ploughman b. Torosay, Argyll
Sarah McGilvray 37
Hugh McGilvray 4
Nut McGilvray 4
John McGilvray 3
Sarah McGilvray 2
Archilbald McGilvray 2 Months
Address: Achnaha House, Morvern
1881...
Weil McGilvray 79 crofter 1 acre b. Kilfinchen G, Argyll
Catherine McGilvray 70 b. Torosay G, Argyll
Archd McGilvray 34 son Agricultural Labourer b. Torosay
Neil McGilvray 34 son Agricultural Labourer b. Torosay
Catherine McCall 8 granddaughter b. Glasgow
Address:Salen, Argyll
Monica
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As you can see, I am trying to work back on the censuses to see what shows for this Neil. Can't easily see this Neil for certain in 1871 although there are a few entries that might be him that could fit.
1861:
Neil Mcgilvray 60 Dyke Builder b. Salen, Argyleshire
Catherine Mcgilvray 48 b. Salen, Argyleshire
Mary Mcgilvray 15
Neil Mcgilvray 12
Nk 50 ???
Archibald Mcgilvray 12
Ann Mcgilvray 10 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XB2D-J5T
Sarah Mcgilvray 7
Address:5 Salen Village, Argyll
You can confirm the maiden name of Paterson from Neil's marriage or death regs.
One more to add now for 1851:
Niel Mcgillivray 50 agr lab.
Catharine Mcgillivray 40
Duncan Mcgillivray 12
Angus Mcgillivray 10
Isabella Mcgillivray 8
John Mcgillivray 6
Niel Mcgillivray 4
Archd Mcgillivray 3
Mary Mcgillivray 3
Ann Mcgillivray 6 Months
Address:6 Salen, Torosay Argyll
Monica
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Possible further details to help you when checking on SP for marriage & deaths etc. https://www.geni.com/people/Catherine-McGilvray/6000000011436145925
Monica
Hey, just noticed, they have your Mary on there as:
Mary McGilvray
Birthdate: February 7, 1879
Birthplace: 30 Braid Street, Milton, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death:
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Neil McGilvray and Mary McGilvray
Half sister of Hugh McGilvray; Neil McGilvray; John McGilvray; Sarah McGilvray; Archibald McGilvray and 1 other
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Could this be Mary with maternal grandparents in 1881 ?
Duncan MacGilvray 60 tailor b. Kilfinchen G., Argyleshire
Jean MacGilvray 56 Kilfinchen G., Argyleshire
Marrion MacGilvray 10 grandchild b. Kilfinchen G., Argyleshire
Mary MacGilvray 2 grandchild b. Glasgow Coweaden G, Lanark
Address: Torrans, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon Argyll
Monica
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Duncan and Jean do look to have had a daughter Mary, with a birth year in the range of Neil (reputed father). 1861 below:
Duncan Mcgilvray 40 tailor b. Kilfinichen, argyleshire
Jane Mcgilvray 36 b. Kilfinichen, argyleshire
John Mcgilvray 14
Mary Mcgilvray 12 Kilfinichen, argyleshire
Hugh Mcgilvray 4
Catherine Mcgilvray 8
Address: Torranbey, Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon
Can't easily find young Mary and mother in 1891. Guessing Mary Snr married and daughter Mary show under that family group with a different surname? Mary Snr could also be deceased given the detail we have on Mary Jnr.'s marriage reg. By 1901 Mary Jnr married and sure you have it all from there.
Monica
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I have just letter from a cousin, saying:-
Neil McGillivray D.193?
There is a death for a Neil McGilvray, aged 78 in the Calton area of Glasgow in 1930 that you could check on SP. Also a possible marriage for a Neil McGilvray to a Sarah Campbell in the Kelvin area of Glasgow in 1885.
There is a 60 yr old Neil McGilvray on the 1911 census. Entry shows in Morvern. I think just from the main index entries that there may also be in the household: Neil 25, Archibald 20, Katie 18.
There is a death in the Milton area of Glasgow in 1879 (and where possibly Mary Jnr was born in 1879) for a Mary McGilvray, aged 29. Could fit for Mary Snr from what we have.
Monica
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This Forum and its members are amazing
Thanks so much I think you have cracked it
All the pieces now seem to fit together I am so grateful
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Great job Monica - ;D
Sandra
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I have sent a PM to jennyrob on this matter. Neil MacGillivray and Mary (McCormick) were my hubby's great-grandparents, so we have quite a bit of information on the family - I am afraid that most people's research was in vain. I've not been on the site for a couple of weeks so I didn't see this earlier - sorry!
lydiaann
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I am afraid that most people's research was in vain.
lydiaann
How very rude of you >:( To dismiss and criticize volunteer's efforts after they spent many hours over a few days looking at the records, buying credits trying to count or discount possibilities on this mystery.
Perhaps you could have worded your reply in a more polite manner.
Sandra
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I am sorry if I seemed to be rude...it was certainly not meant to be so. I am well aware of how helpful Chatters are - and, indeed, I try to be so myself. So, for those that are insulted, I apologise.