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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: cockney rebel on Thursday 19 October 17 18:47 BST (UK)
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Hi there
My first time on a Hampshire board!
Going round in circles trying to find Simnel Street Southampton in the 1871 Census.
Can anyone work out the reference number for me please ?
Not sure what number...probably no.2....just send me to the street!
In 1861 it was a licensed lodging house and looking at Google Street View, it would seem today that it is a pub called the Titanic (ominous)....
And I also have a reference to a Pepper Street in 1863 and have no idea where that was or is today.
Grateful for any pointers
Thanks
Rebel
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Starts at RG 10 / 1194 / 51 / 11
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That was fast!
Thankyou.. I'll dive straight in!
Rebel
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There is no reference to a Pepper Street in 1871, but there is a Pepper Alley, RG 10 / 1194 / 59 / 27
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kx4/
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Pepper Alley it must be...
Many thanks for that useful link, very helpful.
Do you have any idea where Pepper Alley would have been? Google Maps only finds a Peppercorn Way which I hardly think is the same thing.
I've had a look at the 1870 Map on the Southampton Council site but can't find it...pprobably because I've got no real idea where to look!
Rebel
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Pepper Alley ran from St Michael's Square into Simnel Street https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/441882/111324/13/100280
http://sotonopedia.wikidot.com/page-browse:pepper-alley
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Oh that's excellent, thankyou.
I've saved all the links as I'm sure I'll be needing them again!
Many thanks
Rebel
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A history and pictures of Simnel Street see http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/heritage/archives/11176314.Take_a_walk_down_a__picturesque__dilapidated_and_ancient_street_/
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Thankyou for that....I enjoyed the read , the article really makes the street come alive.
Hard to imagine how much poverty there was....I thought London was bad but Southampton obviously had problems of its own.
many thanks
Rebel
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Simnel Street was of a bad reputation with over crowded tenements, poor sanitation and often the lowly washerwomen engaging in prostitution to make money for feeding starving kids. One such lady Ellen Wren died in these conditions and such were the smells of blocked sanitation that her decomposing was not found until her landlord started to chase for unpaid rent for her room. Ellen had had during her lifetime several brushes with the law including assault and attempted robbery.
The local newspaper and some liberal minded residents began raising questions as to how people could be forced to live in such conditions. Ellen was buried with several other bodies in an unmarked pauper's grave at Southampton [Old] Cemetery. Her death and the shocking over crowded housing and the public's reaction to the case forced the council to demolish some housing and to begin to build some social housing - one of the earliest schemes in the country. Ellen Wren is now part of Southampton lore as her death highlighted the need for change and started council housing in Southampton.
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There is an article on the said street in the Southampton Daily Echo dated April 2013 link attached.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/heritage/archives/10340856.Southampton_s_dark_and_dangerous_back_street/
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I moved into the pub "The Queen" when I was 5 years old, sold it when I was 29, now I am 63. The pub is now The Titanic. It is on the corner Simnel St and Bugle St. As you said 1871 it was on the corner of Simnel St and Pepper Alley. The landlord then was Maurice Batchelor. If you go to youtube type in Genevieve Bailey The Grand Tour you will see I did a TV prog on Southampton and off course Simnel St and the pub.