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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Lauren Campbell on Thursday 19 October 17 19:01 BST (UK)
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Rosina Brown Mclean was born in Kinning Park, Glasgow in 1893 to Roderick and Susanna. I am unable to find any information about a marriage or death on ScotlandsPeople and so far I have been unsuccessful in using familysearch. Can anybody help me with this? She had siblings living in the USA, Canada and South Africa, if that helps.
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Can you please post all the details you have with names/dates/places both to help & to avoid duplication of effort (checking what you already have).
In particular can you tell us what Rosina's mother's maiden name was, when & where her parents married please?
Annie
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Can you please post all the details you have with names/dates/places both to help & to avoid duplication of effort (checking what you already have).
In particular can you tell us what Rosina's mother's maiden name was, when & where her parents married please?
Annie
Rosina Brown Mclean was born to Roderick Gunn Sutherland Mclean (1858-1934) and Susanna Hislop Brown (1863-1899). They were married in 1883 in Milton, in Glasgow. Hope this helps!
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Thanks Lauren & yes it will help researchers.
Have you found Rosina in 1901 & 1911 census' & what details do you have?
Can you add dates for the siblings & when they likely immigrated & do you have areas in those countries where they were?
Annie
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What was Roderick's Occupation on his marriage & children's births?
Annie
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A sibling?
Susanna Hislop Brown Mclean 13 Feb 1891
Kinning Park, Lanark, Scotland
Father Roderick Mclean
Mother Suanna (sic) Hislop Brown Mclean
Annie
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A sibling?
Susanna Hislop Brown Mclean 13 Feb 1891
Kinning Park, Lanark, Scotland
Father Roderick Mclean
Mother Suanna (sic) Hislop Brown Mclean
Annie
Yes, that is her sister. Susanna passed away in 1902 in Milton, Glasgow. Unfortunately I cannot find Rosina in the 1901 or 1911 censuses. There were also (many!) other siblings: James (Abt 1886-??), William John Brown Mclean (1886-1961 - he passed away in Los Angeles, California), Roderick Sutherland Gunn Mclean (1888-1918 - passed away in Belgium during WW1), Sarah Jane Shinnon Paterson Mclean (1889-1973, also passed away in Los Angeles.), George and (a second) Roderick who both died in infancy as far as I am aware, Grace Hislop Blackwell Mclean who died under the name Daisy Grundy (1895-1971 - passed away in Willston, Pennsylvania). They also had half-siblings who were born following Roderick's wife, Susanna's death in 1899. Her name was Margaret Gillanders and together they had Helen Kells Gillanders Mclean (1901-1985), Robert Gillanders Mclean (1903-1903), Margaret Violet Gillanders Mclean (1908-1987) and my great-grandmother, Florence Mary Nelson Mclean (1911-1998). All the half-siblings were born in the Glasgow area. In answer to your other question, on the marriage certificate, I believe he was a gas meter inspector.
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1891 (older siblings)
240 Scotland St, Kinning Park, Glasgow, Govan, Lanarkshire
Roderick McLean 31 (Gas Meter Inspector)
Susanna McLean 28
James McLean 5
William McLean 4
Roderick McLean 3
Sarah McLean 1
Susanna McLean 2 Mos
Parish: Glasgow Govan; ED: 27; Page: 18; Line: 15; Roll: CSSCT1891_298
Annie
Crossed posts, had typed it so will leave it as reference.
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Error...I see you don't have Rosina in 1901 or 1911
Annie
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Have you found Rosina in 1901 & 1911?
Annie
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find her.
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Who were all in the household with Roderick in 1901?
Could Rosina be with her maternal g/parents 1901 & 1911 but recorded as Brown?
I'm unsure what info. a 1911 census would give (if any) if the husband had children as I haven't seen a 1911 for a 2nd marriage (for a husband) in Scotland?
Annie
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I think I have the family in 1901 - but the transcription of the surname is poor:
1901
89 North Park St, Glasgow Kelvinside
Roderick McHearn, 40, gas rate collector, Latheron, Caithness
Maggie McHearn, 24, wife, Ireland
Roderick McHearn, 13, son, Glasgow
Sarah McHearn, 11, daughter, Glasgow
Rose McHearn, 8, daughter, Glasgow
Grace McHearn, 6, daughter, Glasgow
Ruth
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Transcribed as McHean on Ancestry in 1901 living 89 North Park Street, Milton, Glasgow. Rosina down as Rose.
Isobel
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I think I have the family in 1901 - but the transcription of the surname is poor:
1901
89 North Park St, Glasgow Kelvinside
Roderick McHearn, 40, gas rate collector, Latheron, Caithness
Maggie McHearn, 24, wife, Ireland
Roderick McHearn, 13, son, Glasgow
Sarah McHearn, 11, daughter, Glasgow
Rose McHearn, 8, daughter, Glasgow
Grace McHearn, 6, daughter, Glasgow
Ruth
Thank you so much for finding this! Certainly the correct family.
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This might be a long shot - but might be worth exploring.
There's a marriage in 1911 in Govan, between Rose Mclean and David Young - and the index for the 1911 census has a Rosina B Young, 19, living in Pollokshields...
Ruth
EDIT: well, I did say it was a long-shot! Turns out there was a Rosina Brown Young born in 1891 in Tradeston. She's in Govan with her family in 1901, aged 9... ;D
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Could this be Roderick 1911?
MACLEAN RODK 53
644/9 43/ 40
Milton, Lanark
Annie
Added...I don't think it is as I can't find anyone else with matching ref. no. :(
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Do you have any of the family in 1911 & if so where?
Where did Roderick & Margaret Gillanders both die?
Annie
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Not doing well on SP 1911 so far.
Not helping with Rosina but found this while searching...
http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=200550
Annie
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A possible death & burial?
Rosina McLean 80
Birth 10 Oct 1894
Death Mar 1975
Bexley, Greater London
Volume 11, Page 0440
Rosina McLean 80
Death 5 Mar 1975
Death Place Erith
Burial 14 Mar 1975
Erith, Kent, England
Erith Cemetery
Grave Number J 109
Annie
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Don't think that is the correct person as she is in the 1939 register in Erith and Mclean appears to be her married name.
Isobel
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In the 1918 electoral roll for Glasgow Roderick S Mclean ( occ Clerk) is living at 58 Westmoreland Street along with Mrs Margaret McLean and Roderick S McLean jnr (occ Soldier). For some years prior to that Roderick S is listed at 58 Westmoreland Street ( occ Collector). In 1911 he is listed at 78 Westmoreland Street.
Isobel
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Have you explored the possibility that Rose may have gone to the US with one of her siblings?
Rose Mclean, 20, and Grace Mclean, 18, both servants, left Glasgow on the Cameronia on 1 Nov 1913, heading for New York.
Grace B Mclean married John Grunday in New York on 14 Jul 1915.
These may not be the right Rose and Grace Mcleans - there are a surprising number of the right age in the right place! - but might be worth exploring.
Ruth
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There is a Rose Maclean age 18 listed in Cathcart in 1911. No other matches for Maclean against ref number so possibly working as a servant.
That looks like a good shout Ruthhelen as OP has Grace dying as a Grundy.
Isobel
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The New York passenger list for the Cameronia gives next of kin for the two girls as Patrick McLean, but his address is 58 Westmoreland Street, crosshill, Glasgow which matches the address for Roderick and Margaret in the electoral roll.
Isobel
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It also says that they are going to visit their brother Roderick ( think the address is 70 Sixth Ave NY) and are then returning to Glasgow. Don't see anything in Incoming passenger lists and note that Grace married John Grundy in Manhattan in 1915.
Isobel
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Do you have any of the family in 1911 & if so where?
Where did Roderick & Margaret Gillanders both die?
Annie
Both of them died in Glasgow.
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Not doing well on SP 1911 so far.
Not helping with Rosina but found this while searching...
http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=200550
Annie
Yes - Violet (as she was known) was my great-aunt and indeed married Thomas Smith Cordiner! Hadn't seen this info before though, so thank you!
*Edit* Also, Roderick's daughter Helen/ half-sister of Rosina, who was known as Nell, was mother of one of Thomas' apprentices - Peter Lamont Burnside Borthwick, who appears in the link you sent me :)
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The New York passenger list gives next of kin as Patrick McLean, but his address is 58 Westmoreland Street, crosshill, Glasgow which matches the address for Roderick and Margaret in the electoral roll.
Isobel, I could imagine Roderick/Patrick looking alike at a quick glance if the info. was transcribed from another doc?
Annie
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Hadn't thought of that. You are probably right Rosinish.
Isobel