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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: juleznz on Friday 20 October 17 09:30 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone:)
Im looking for William WOODBURN (or DALGLEISH)born circa 1850 Fenwick
On 1851 census he is listed as William DALGLEISH at his garndfather Robert WOODBURNs residence
but in 1861 he is listed as William WOODBURN son of Roberts daughter Janet aged 25
I cant find his birth reg on sctppl and cannot find him in any other census
There is a William WOODBURN who married a Jessie ORR and ended up in Michigan USA but there seems to be a few at time of his birth
Any help would be great
Thanks
Julie-Ann
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There is a William Woodburn on the 1871 census address Stairaird Ayrshire
William Woodburn age 19 born about 1852 Fenwick Ayrshire ( general servant )
At the residence of a Robert Armour and family
Rosie
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oh thank you i hadnt spotted that one
There is a William Woodburn on the 1871 census address Stairaird Ayrshire
William Woodburn age 19 born about 1852 Fenwick Ayrshire ( general servant )
At the residence of a Robert Armour and family
Rosie
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There is a death for William Woodburn in Michigan 1904 think this could be the one that married Jessie Orr ...His mother is listed as Elizabeth Woodburn
Rosie
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Jamet had a sister Elizabeth but its Janet listed as his mother in the 1861 census i cant find him on sctppl tried spelling variations and the Dalgleish name listed in 1851 census no luck as yet
Scotlands People has interesting search function lolz
There is a death for William Woodburn in Michigan 1904 think this could be the one that married Jessie Orr ...His mother is listed as Elizabeth Woodburn
Rosie
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Have you checked for a marriage for Janet Woodburn and a death ? ..I would say there is a possibility this is the death for Elizabeth
Elizabeth Gilmour birth 15/10/1826 Ayrshire
Death 15/9/1906 Bruce Macomb Michigan USA
Father Robert Woodburn
Mother Jeanette Mitchell
Immigration for Elizabeth Gilmour 1889 to USA
Rosie
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Just had another look at the William Woodburn that was married to Jessie Orr ..a few tree's had his birth as 5 June 1850 ...Checked Scotlands People and there is a birth for a William Woodburn 5 June 1850 Fenwick Associate Ayr baptism 5 November 1850
Parents Andrew Dalgliesh and Elizabeth Woodburn
William Woodburn and Jessie Orr had a son named Robert Mitchell Woodburn
Born 5/12/1879 Almont Lapeer County Michigan ...
Rosie
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Marriage for William Woodburn 3/4/1877 Almont Lapeer Michigan
Spouse Jessie Orr witnesses James Wilson and Jessie B M Shorrick ?
Marriage for Elizabeth Woodburn 26 March 1860 Fenwick Ayr Scotland
Thomas Gilmour looks like he was a widower
Rosie
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You might like to look at the paternity cases on Scottish Indexes. There is one for an Elizabeth Woodburn of Waterside Henwick (meant to be Fenwick?) pursuing Andrew Dalglish, Farmer, Ryland, Avondale. Child born 1850. Decree year 1852. Court Hamilton.
William
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You might like to look at the paternity cases on Scottish Indexes. There is one for an Elizabeth Woodburn of Waterside Henwick (meant to be Fenwick?) pursuing Adam Dalglish, Farmer, Ryland, Avondale. Child born 1850. Decree year 1852. Court Hamilton.
William
Looks good William that is where they are on the 1851 census Waterside :)
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Have modified my previous post,Rosie. The defender was indeed Andrew Dalglish which matches the birth you found.
There is a possible candidate for Andrew b Galston 1820 in the 1861 census but I cannot see him in the 1851 census.
William
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Re the 1861 census for William Woodburn cannot see a reference to Janet being his mother.
East Shaw St, Kilmarnock
Robert Woodburn 70
Janet wife 63
Janet dau 39
William grandson 10
William
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Clearly, the man who died in Michigan, 1904 is the one born to Andrew Dalgleish and Elizabeth Woodburn (same birthdate).
The baptism clearly says he was 'Natural' son so parents not married. Often children born illegitimately in Scotland grow up with their fathers surname and explains why William is Dalgleish in 1851 census. However, since there was clearly a paternity issue with the father Andrew Dalgleish it was reasonable for him to grow up with his mothers name of Woodburn.
As has already been stated, his mother Elizabeth married a Thomas Gilmour 26/3/1860 Fenwick and agree the 1861 Census doesn't state this his mother was named Janet - she was the only unmarried daughter living at home in 1861 but that doesn't make her the mother of William Woodburn, grandson to Robert and Janet.
Annette
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Clearly, the man who died in Michigan, 1904 is the one born to Andrew Dalgleish and Elizabeth Woodburn (same birthdate).
Yes would say the same person Most probably William Woodburn was brought up with his grandparent's ..He does not appear with Elizabeth and Thomas Gilmour in any other census records
Rosie
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Death for Elizabeth Gilmour 15 Sept 1906 Bruce, Macomb Co. Michigan Parents Robt Woodburn and Jannette Mitchell (born 1826 Scotland)
William
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Death for Elizabeth Gilmour 15 Sept 1906 Bruce, Macomb Co. Michigan Parents Robt Woodburn and Jannette Mitchell (born 1826 Scotland)
William
Information on post 5 :)
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You can see the grave stone for William Woodburn in Scotch Settlement Cemetery Almont Lapeer County Michigan also Elizabeth Gilmour
www.findagrave,com
Rosie
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Sorry Rosie! But can confirm parents as Robert Woodburn and Janet Mitchell (ancy.tree has cropped image of marriage to Thomas Gilmour).
William
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Sorry Rosie! But can confirm parents as Robert Woodburn and Janet Mitchell (ancy.tree has cropped image of marriage to Thomas Gilmour).
William
Yes seen that tree also a marriage for Robert Woodburn and Janet Mitchell 10 /11/1820 Fenwick Ayr
Rosie
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Thank you very much for all your input:) I sent for the Paternity case in sct indexes and it has just arrived so il go thru it
In the census in ancestry once you go into Williams name thats where it shows Janet as mother but clearly an error?
Ive been working on Williams grandparents but no further than when i started so thats why im going thru their descendants going sideways to go backwards :)
Thanks again :)
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Scotlands People search functions are interesting il start filtering with just surname then county then years i still cant find the birth you mention
Just had another look at the William Woodburn that was married to Jessie Orr ..a few tree's had his birth as 5 June 1850 ...Checked Scotlands People and there is a birth for a William Woodburn 5 June 1850 Fenwick Associate Ayr baptism 5 November 1850
Parents Andrew Dalgliesh and Elizabeth Woodburn
William Woodburn and Jessie Orr had a son named Robert Mitchell Woodburn
Born 5/12/1879 Almont Lapeer County Michigan ...
Rosie
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Maybe it wasnt Janet the dau but Janet Mitchell the Grandmother that was listed as being Mother
Name: William Woodburn
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Grandson
Mother's name: Janet Woodburn
Gender: Male
Where born: Penwick, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 597
Registration district: Kilmarnock
Civil Parish: Kilmarnock
Town: Kilmarnock
County: Ayrshire
Address: 11 East Shaw St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 94
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1861_86
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Whoever transcribed the 1861 census for Ancestry has 'assumed' that the mother must have been Janet the daughter - original page on SP just states the family as Robert, wife Janet, daughter Janet (unmarried) and William, grandson. Don't believe all you read on Ancestry, especially if it is a transcription.
The birth/baptism of William on SP is in the 3rd option 'Other Churches'.
Annette
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Yes always best to go for the original copy on Scotland's People ...Ancestry do tend to make a lot of transcription errors ... :)
Rosie
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Ive been working on Williams grandparents but no further than when i started so thats why im going thru their descendants going sideways to go backwards :)
Thanks again :)
Have you tried Scotlands People for deaths for Williams Grandparent's
Possible death for Robert Woodburn 1863 Kilmarnock Ayr age 72
Also one for a Jane Woodburn 1867 Kilmarnock Ayr age 66 ..
Janet Woodburn 1868 Loudoun Ayr age 47 mother's name Mitchell
Rosie
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Thank you :D had Roberts death but not Janets ive just bought the cert it shows Janet clearly and i finally have her parents now chuffed thank you :)
Ive been working on Williams grandparents but no further than when i started so thats why im going thru their descendants going sideways to go backwards :)
Thanks again :)
Have you tried Scotlands People for deaths for Williams Grandparent's
Possible death for Robert Woodburn 1863 Kilmarnock Ayr age 72
Also one for a Jane Woodburn 1867 Kilmarnock Ayr age 66 ..
Janet Woodburn 1868 Loudoun Ayr age 47 mother's name Mitchell
Rosie
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That's good Juleznz :)