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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: suey on Friday 20 October 17 21:03 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for someone whose record should be open as they are over 100 years of age. However, I believe that the person in question thought that they were born in 1919 and would have probably used that birth year.
I cannot find the person I'm looking for, despite many permutations. I believe also that they were living alone or possibly in lodgings so I have no other family member or known person to look for.
Can I still, using the death certificate ask FindMyPast to un-redact the record if I cannot find that person? The blurb on their website says "If you notice an officially closed record in the 1939 Register that you believe should be open, you may be able to request it be opened". Can't do that if you can't find them in the first place!
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They are not going to be in the 1939 register if serving in the forces.
Is that a possibility?
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No, Pauline, this is a lady, who subsequently had three husbands but who at the time, I believe, was working and living alone in the London area.
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Hi
You are saying that they were born 1819?
Their birth date on the register will(?) be recorded as "nn xxx 19" [ dropping the century ] ?
"Clarifying" = if born 1801 = "nn xxx 01" resulting in "1901" as the birth year NOT 1801
Similar problem with the "2000 bug" that had the computer industry running around like headless chickens for best part of 30 years 1975->2005.
OR NOT? ;D
Ray
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I have resigned myself to not finding this lady, what I do want to know is, given that I know all three subsequent husbands names and surnames, years of marriage, and I have her death certificate; can and how do I ask FindMyPast to find and un-redact her record.
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Quite regularly when looking at 1939 records, a pop-up message appears asking if you want help, or to chat. You could try that?
Do you have an idea where she was living? You can browse the records, in case the transcription is wrong.
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Thanks, Deirdre784 - I havn't seen the 'help, chat, thingy for a while but I will try that if and when.
Believe me I have tried just about every which way to find her. I do believe that she is redacted because of the year of birth she was using, she didn't die until 2012 so her record won't have been updated.
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Suey, you can only have an entry opened if you can find it in the first place,for example someone within a family whom you know/or have the death cert for.
They cannot find someone without you telling them what page and line number they are on.
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Have you thought of contacting them via their Facebook page and mentioning the problem you are having they may be able to give you some more tips or advice as to what to do next.
Regards
Panda
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Have you considered giving us her name - OK, we can't give you the full information as that is not allowed, but we might be able to point you in the right direction. :)
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I can't find my dad's eldest brother anywhere on the 1939 census, even though the rest of the family is there, even my dad's eldest brother's wife to be is on the census. However, I understand that the 1939 census is only England and Wales, so if he was anywhere else, Isle of Man, Scotland, etc. he won't be on the census. Doesn't really matter as he was on the 1911 census with his eldest sister and both parents, I have his marriage and I know where he was from his marriage onwards until his death. If only the 1939 census had been available before my dad died, I could just have asked him where his brother was. He was a professional musician at the time so could have been anywhere ::)
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I have my great grandmother hop picking with her sister in law but have yet to find my great grandfather. He was retired so should be on the census. I know where they were living but he is not there so he remains my mystery.
Regards panda
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I couldn't find m uncle but as I had his date of birth I just searched on that then went through all the entries with the correct first letter of his surname and found him. The transcription of both his names were weird but when I looked at the actual entry it was clearly the name I was looking for.
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I'll try looking for my uncle with his dob. If that doesn't work then he was out of the country.
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I had terrrible trouble finding my grandad. His DOB was 2 years out.He wasn't at home but staying nearby as he had already signed up for the Territorial Army.
His christian name was entered correctly,but his surname which should have been Worth was Wo???
I didn't think it was too difficult to read,but of course I knew what it should say ;D
So I tried him with just a christian name and a date of birth but no year,and eventually found him.
Carol
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I tried looking for my great aunt. Strangely hers is locked even though she died in 1991, yet my grandma who was younger and died in 1998 isn't.
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Thanks, Deirdre784 - I havn't seen the 'help, chat, thingy for a while but I will try that if and when.
Believe me I have tried just about every which way to find her. I do believe that she is redacted because of the year of birth she was using, she didn't die until 2012 so her record won't have been updated.
As you don't know where she was living the easiest way would be to make a Freedom of Information request to the National Archives, Kew.
It costs £28.02p but you will get your answer within 20 days.
If you look at the FoI request form an address is not a Mandatory Field.
Fill in the form with the details you know add an image of her Death Certificate and sit back and wait.
Cheers
Guy
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Thanks, Deirdre784 - I havn't seen the 'help, chat, thingy for a while but I will try that if and when.
Believe me I have tried just about every which way to find her. I do believe that she is redacted because of the year of birth she was using, she didn't die until 2012 so her record won't have been updated.
As you don't know where she was living the easiest way would be to make a Freedom of Information request to the National Archives, Kew.
It costs £28.02p but you will get your answer within 20 days.
If you look at the FoI request form an address is not a Mandatory Field.
Fill in the form with the details you know add an image of her Death Certificate and sit back and wait.
Cheers
Guy
Thanks to everyone who has replied, but especially Guy I will seriously consider the expenditure, mainly because it's one of those that keeps me awake at night ;D
Is that form on the National Archives website? I'm not very good at navigating them but in the meantime will go and look...
Thanks again
Suey
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The form is at
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kxj/
Cheers
Guy
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Have you considered giving us her name - OK, we can't give you the full information as that is not allowed, but we might be able to point you in the right direction. :)
It may also help to give us the names of who she married
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My parents ran a guesthouse in a small market town in Westmorland. They had 8 guests staying there the night the register was taken. One lady who we kept contact with for many years, was a teacher at the local school and she was from Liverpool. The other 7 guests could have been from anywhere in the country, but I am sure their ancestors would not think to look on the register of a small market town like this.
There were a lot of mistakes on this particular register which I am trying to sort out, with no luck at the moment, so the details against each name are incorrect, so really nobody has a chance of tracing these people.
It just goes to show how difficult it can be to trace your ancestors using the 1939 register.
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The form is at
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kxj/
Cheers
Guy
Many thanks Guy. They still want an address :-\ but I'll give it a go and see what happens.
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Have you considered giving us her name - OK, we can't give you the full information as that is not allowed, but we might be able to point you in the right direction. :)
It may also help to give us the names of who she married
rosie99 I honestly don't think we'll find her owing to the fact that the powers that be will think she is still alive. She thought that she was born in 1919. She was brought up in care homes, when she married for the first time she applied for her birth cert. thinking she needed it for marriage. Her birth was never registered. Birthdays were not celebrated and she took a guess at her age from when she left the children's home. Back in the 1970's another search was made when she applied for a passport. In the end she had to swear an oath and gave her birth year as 1919.
It wasn't until she was well into her 80's that I came across a baptism record dated December 1916.
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Thank you to everyone who replied with suggestions.
;D ;D ;D I've found her ;D ;D ;D Badly mis-transcribed, no surprises there :-\ Just a question of trawling every female with the same birthday, year by tedious year.
Suey
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That is good news. Who was she mistranscribed as :-\
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That is good news. Who was she mistranscribed as :-\
Stingon instead of Sturgeon which didn't come up on a variants search ::) I found her eventually under her first married surname.
Quote from NA website " The Register was continually updated while National Registration was in force, when it was a legal requirement to notify the registration authorities of any change of name or address. This ended in 1952, but since 1948 the Register had also been used by the National Health Service, who continued updating the records until 1991, when paper-based record-keeping was discontinued".
Despite another marriage in early 1953 and three further children (born in hospital) her record was not updated with her second married surname.
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My mothers was not updated from her maiden name when she married my father, or on the numerous occasions she was in hospital. Some obviously slipped through the net :)
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My mothers was not updated from her maiden name when she married my father, or on the numerous occasions she was in hospital. Some obviously slipped through the net :)
It's possible that the married name was written in the area to the right, where we can't see. My mum's entry also showed no sign of a married name when I found it (temporarily) unredacted.
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I expect you had to let the authorities know.
My mum's new ID card - with her married surname and new signature - is dated 16 April (a month after marriage).
The note on the Register was dated 17 April.
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My mothers was not updated from her maiden name when she married my father, or on the numerous occasions she was in hospital. Some obviously slipped through the net :)
It's possible that the married name was written in the area to the right, where we can't see. My mum's entry also showed no sign of a married name when I found it (temporarily) unredacted.
There is no evidence that there is any alteration to this record, quite a lot of the right hand page is visible. Her birth date and part of her first name are illegible though as they are covered in sellotape ::)
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I'd be very surprised if you can see beyond the first column of the right hand page. Often even that column is truncated.
That first column is usually used for war service, such as ARP volunteers. The rest of the page dealt with things we are not allowed to see, supposedly health-related.
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Regardless of anything that 'could' be on the next page her name has not been changed :-\