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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: buckhyne on Sunday 22 October 17 13:28 BST (UK)
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There is a plaque on the wall of 10, Rose Terrace, Perth stating that John Ruskin (1819-1900), the Victorian author and art critic, first husband of Effie Gray of Bowerswell, spent part of his childhood here (with his Aunt Jessie).
Does anyone know Jessie's married and maiden names?
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Found this -
http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/fass/ruskin/empi/notes/crsco01.htm
ev
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There is a 1804 marriage in Scotland Patrick Richardson / Janet Ruskin.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=169575060
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Many thanks for the links Eve.
As soon as I saw the name Richardson I went into the pre-1855 MIs for Greyfriars.
There are 15 MIs for the Richardson name but the one I was looking for is;
Block D: 19: (on top) 234: mr Patk Richardson 20.7.1824 50, wife Janet Ruskin, 18.5.1828 43, chn Margaret 9.1.1817 6m, Cath 4, Patk 8.1.1818 8, Helen 11.2.1823 3w, James Tweedale R., 21.3.1828 8, Janet 8: (west side) 696: Jas R. brewer here 4.1.1877 1777 56, wife Mary Grant 7.11.1811 68: (Note by Sievewright - Janet Ruskin was aunt of John R. who lived with his aunt for some time at their house, the first to the north of the new UP church, Main Street, Bridgend: DNB does not mention Ruskin's Perth connection).
That's a lot of bairns dying young also must be a wrong date re James Richardson and wife Mary Grant.
I knew that aunt Jessie had lived in Bridgend and I believe there was a plaque on the building until it was demolished.
Strange that Sievewright doesn't mention Rose Terrace.
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Hi Buckhyne,
I found the correct details...
www.thepeerage.com/p30619.htm#i306184
Scroll half way down page to:
James Richardson1
He died on 4 January 1777 at age 56
Annie
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Hi Buckhyne,
I found the correct details...
www.thepeerage.com/p30619.htm#i306184
Scroll half way down page to:
James Richardson1
He died on 4 January 1777 at age 56
Annie
Thanks Annie that makes sense.
I thought Pitfour was an estate near St Madoes betwixt Perth & Dundee.
The Richardson's of Pitfour owned a lot of fishing rights on the river Tay.
That link says it's in Aberdeenshire.
Also I don't see any connection to Patrick Richardson who married Janet Ruskin.
Yet James Richardson is on the same headstone
Wikipedia
Pitfour Castle is an 18th-century country house situated on the southeast edge of the village of St Madoes in the Carse of Gowrie, Perthshire, Scotland. The present Pitfour Castle was built for John Richardson (1760-1821), a wealthy local man involved with the salmon fisheries of the Tay, around 1784.
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I can't see a link either but they must be related?
Wikipedia is one of the best sites for facts!
The Peerage is not the best site for facts! They are very lax with info. a lot of the time for whatever reason & it's not an official government site as some people think.
Annie
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Some info. here...
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/t/w/e/Charles-T-Tweddale/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0090.html
"Patrick (Peter) Richardson was born 1774, and died July 20, 1824 in Bridgend, Perth.He married Janet (Jessie) Ruskin on November 01, 1804 in St. Cuthbert's, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, daughter of John Thomas Ruskin and Catherine Jessie Tweddale"
Annie
Added...Been through the Peerage & likewise can't see where they link so one for the experts ???
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That's a good link Annie but it throws up more questions.
Presumably the Richardson family were living in Bridgend when Patrick dies in 1824.
Is Jessie (Ruskin) Richardson living in no.10, Rose Terrace as a widow and dying there in 1828?
I'm no really concerned with the genealogy of the Richardson and Ruskin names.
I'm trying to write wee booklets on Bowerswell and Rose Terrace and some of the info overlaps.
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Presumably the Richardson family were living in Bridgend when Patrick dies in 1824.
Is Jessie (Ruskin) Richardson living in no.10, Rose Terrace as a widow and dying there in 1828?
If Patrick died across the Tay at Bridgend would he not have been buried on that side of the Tay?
If Jessie died facing the 'Inch' at Rose Terrace she should be buried at Greyfriars but there's no' records online to check either so?
Buckhyne, what inspired you to write these wee booklets (interesting), you havin a 'lang spoon' & no a Perthonian ??? ;D ;D
Annie
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The Sphere 17 Feb 1900 has this
... Jessie Ruskin,Mr Ruskin's paternal aunt, who, in 1805, married Patrick Richardson..a descendant of the Richardsons of Pencaitland and Smeaton.
William
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Will/Inventory...
Richardson Patrick 31/12/1825
leather merchant in Perth
Perth Sheriff Court
SC49/31/4
Richardson James 28/11/1833
esq., of Pitfour, brother of John Richardson
Inventory only
Perth Sheriff Court
SC49/31/16
Annie
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Good find William!
Buckhyne, lots of reading from this google search :D...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kxu/
Annie
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Just across from Rose Terrace but a century later...
Richardson Dame Harriet Georgina Alice Cochrane or Stewart, 6/2/1925
1 Atholl Place, Perth, widow, d. 26/10/1924 at Perth, testate.
Perth Sheriff Court Wills
SC49/32/38
Annie
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Presumably the Richardson family were living in Bridgend when Patrick dies in 1824.
Is Jessie (Ruskin) Richardson living in no.10, Rose Terrace as a widow and dying there in 1828?
If Patrick died across the Tay at Bridgend would he not have been buried on that side of the Tay?
If Jessie died facing the 'Inch' at Rose Terrace she should be buried at Greyfriars but there's no' records online to check either so?
Buckhyne, what inspired you to write these wee booklets (interesting), you havin a 'lang spoon' & no a Perthonian ??? ;D ;D
Annie
If Patrick died across the Tay at Bridgend would he not have been buried on that side of the Tay?
You would think that but see my first post re Greyfriars. I have the pre-1855 MIs
Block D: 19: (on top) 234: mr Patk Richardson 20.7.1824 50, wife Janet Ruskin, 18.5.1828 43, chn Margaret 9.1.1817 6m, Cath 4, Patk 8.1.1818 8, Helen 11.2.1823 3w, James Tweedale R., 21.3.1828 8, Janet 8: (west side) 696: Jas R. brewer here 4.1.1877 1777 56, wife Mary Grant 7.11.1811 68
If Jessie died facing the 'Inch' at Rose Terrace she should be buried at Greyfriars but there's no' records online to check either so?
See above.
Buckhyne, what inspired you to write these wee booklets (interesting), you havin a 'lang spoon' & no a Perthonian
How dare ye!!! I was born 1943 in the PRI while we were living with my Mum's sister in Muirton.
It's my Dad's family who are Fifers - my Dad was born in Cults, Fife and travelled to Perth and enlisted in the Black Watch in the 1930's.
He met my mum here and the rest...as they say.....
I find Rose Terrace a fascinating street and must have looked fantastic in its hey-day with the metal railings and the cannon taken at the Battle of Sebastopol. I'm almost certain I can remember when they were there but perhaps my mind is wandering.
(https://s5.postimg.org/ac3kae4zr/image.jpg)
Bowerswell has an interesting history.
The Open Day last month featured my photograph on their leaflet.
(https://s5.postimg.org/xv7ydaerb/DSC_2566.jpg)
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The Sphere 17 Feb 1900 has this
... Jessie Ruskin,Mr Ruskin's paternal aunt, who, in 1805, married Patrick Richardson..a descendant of the Richardsons of Pencaitland and Smeaton.
William
Well spotted.
It's entirely possible that the Richardsons of Pencaitland and the Richardsons of Pitfour are related.
Probably cousins of some sorts.
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Good find William!
Buckhyne, lots of reading from this google search :D...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kxu/
Annie
There is a lot of reading but it's all 16th & 17th century.
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Ohhh Dear Buckhyne....I knew you had Fife ancestry & 'assumed' with your title on RC you were born in Fife so I am now begging forgiveness :-[
Sorry, my wording wasn't great (was multitasking at the time)
"If Patrick died across the Tay at Bridgend would he not have been buried on that side of the Tay?
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If Jessie died facing the 'Inch' at Rose Terrace she should be buried at Greyfriars but there's no' records online to check either so?"[/color]
Meaning...The obvious place, GF where she is :)
And the 'no records online' was to indicate no proof of whether they were at Rose Terrace when Patrick died i.e. a DC.
"metal railings and the cannon"....I'm sure I recall seeing a Canon (somewhere) but I couldn't say for sure where in Perth?
Where do you think it was as our Doctors Surgery was on Atholl Street & my mother had quite a few visits there (large family) i.e. that may be tucked in the back of my memory bank?
Annie
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Ohhh Dear Buckhyne....I knew you had Fife ancestry & 'assumed' with your title on RC you were born in Fife...
The furthest back I can go genealogy-wise is the mid 18th century in Buckhaven hence 'Buckhyne'
Where do you think it was as our Doctors Surgery was on Atholl Street
and my Doctor (Ritchie) was in Rose Terrace.
The cannon were outside the Academy (two of them).
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Academy at Letham :-\....
I did a lot of wandering as a child (curious genes) so it's quite possible I did see a Canon/Canons somewhere but it's a very vague memory only coming to light when you mentioned it & I still can't be sure where although I can see it in the back of my mind!
I will enquire as I have relatives who live in Hillyland & I think went to PA?
Annie
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Academy at Letham :-\....
I did a lot of wandering as a child (curious genes) so it's quite possible I did see a Canon/Canons somewhere but it's a very vague memory only coming to light when you mentioned it & I still can't be sure where although I can see it in the back of my mind!
I will enquire as I have relatives who live in Hillyland & I think went to PA?
Annie
The original Academy was in South Street (opposite where Princes Street joins South Street).
In the early 19th century the Seminaries in Rose Terrace were built and became the Academy.
In 1932 the new Academy in Burghmuir opened it's doors and the old Academy became offices.
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The Academy in Rose Terrace is a Grade A listed building.
I found this;
For many years, a pair of Crimean War cannons stood outside the Academy, until their removal for scrap metal in 1940.
I'm auld but no that auld.
I must have seen photographs of the cannon :D
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I thought Pitfour was an estate near St Madoes betwixt Perth & Dundee.
The Richardson's of Pitfour owned a lot of fishing rights on the river Tay.
That link says it's in Aberdeenshire
There are (at least) two Pitfours.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9748
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO1920
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I thought Pitfour was an estate near St Madoes betwixt Perth & Dundee.
The Richardson's of Pitfour owned a lot of fishing rights on the river Tay.
That link says it's in Aberdeenshire
There are (at least) two Pitfours.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ9748
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO1920
Thanks Forfarian, that explains the two Pitfours.
This is a photo of the Rose Terrace cannons being removed for the war effort.
The Perthshire Advertiser, 7th September, 1940, reported that:
The two Crimean cannons, which have stood at the front of the old Academy buildings
at the North Inch for years and were popular among generations of Perth children as
something upon which to climb, were removed this week as scrap.