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My ancestors, William Johnson and Lydia Boot married on 29th September 1738 in Alfreton, Derbyshire. Their marriage record notes Lydia was from the neighbouring parish of Blackwell.
A Lydia Boot was baptised in Blackwell in 1712. I thought it fairly straightforward to link the two, except that a Lydia Boot and William Brown were married in Blackwell on...29th September 1738!
I cannot find a baptism of a second Lydia Boot in Blackwell. Could this be a duplicated marriage record with an incorrect groom's name? It seems such a strange coincidence otherwise. I cannot find evidence of a Lydia Brown in later records.
(To slightly complicate matters - a Lydia Boot born in the nearby parish of Shirland in 1715 can be accounted for elsewhere, she married James Woodward in 1734)
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mijath,
Have you looked for baptisms of children for each couple?
Regards,
Josephine
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William Johnson and Lydia Boot married on 29th September 1738 in Alfreton, Derbyshire. Their marriage record notes Lydia was from the neighbouring parish of Blackwell.
A Lydia Boot was baptised in Blackwell in 1712. I thought it fairly straightforward to link the two, except that a Lydia Boot and William Brown were married in Blackwell on...29th September 1738!
My thought is...
Could William have been known by both surnames?
Were there witnesses with same names as it seems to be the same marriage recorded in both Parishes as they were from different parishes?
Maybe a check of the above & below marriages on the page would be the answer if that's possible in case the surname was recorded wrongly in error?
Annie
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In my own paternal line, the parish baptism register has an incorrect surname for my gggg gf. The Bishop's Transcript has his correct surname.
It seems that the official "baptism register" is a copy of some lost original, and my gggg gf had his surname substituted by that of the child in the line above - a standard transcription error.
It may be time to check all versions of these registers. There may be a transcription error of long standing. Check the banns too, if they survive.
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I would think, as Annie suggested, that it is an error and that his name has been recorded incorrectly for some reason. Have you seen the original parish records?
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Freereg has Phillimore's transcripts which says:
St Martin's Alfreton Derbyshire
29 Sep 1738
William Johnson Alfreton - Lydia Boot Blackwell
by licence
Have you tried locating the licence?
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Also, I can see on findmypast a burial of a Lydia Boot at Blackwell in 1732 that needs looking at.
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Freereg has Phillimore's transcripts which says:
St Martin's Alfreton Derbyshire
29 Sep 1738
William Johnson Alfreton - Lydia Boot Blackwell
by licence
Have you tried locating the licence?
The Bond and/or Allegation don't appear to have survived - Alfreton came under the Diocese of Lichfield, and the records are available to view via FindMyPast.
AND - there is a transcription on FindMyPast of the marriage at Alfreton, and it says that it was by Banns :-\ The image is available to view on Ancestry. BUT so is the marriage entry for William Brown and Lidia Boot at Blackwell.
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Also, I can see on findmypast a burial of a Lydia Boot at Blackwell in 1732 that needs looking at.
Wife of Enoch Boot.
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There only seem to be baptisms for children of William and Lydia Johnson, none for W & L Brown.
As the couple were from different parishes, Banns would be read in both, maybe they were going to marry in Blackwell and changed their mind and married in Alfreton instead, but the marriage was recorded in Blackwell in error. As William was not from Blackwell the clerk may not have known him and misremembered the name.
FindMyPast has a scan of Phillimore index - no mention of licence, but Elizabeth Boot married by licence a few months earlier
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Wrong names often written on parish registers. My gran's baptism is one. In the 1877 parish record her name is shown as Seth. That was her father's name and it clearly shows parents as Seth and Alice. As I know 100% that my gran was female, and her name was Mary Hannah, the only explanaton is that the parish clerk just wrote down the wrong name. I couldn't find her baptism for ages then decided to look for the siblings born before and after her, it turned out they were baptised at the same church, so I guessed my gran would have been too. I already knew her date of birth so check baptisms around the time of my gran's birth, in the parish church where her siblings were baptised and there she was - called Seth!
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Hi all, thank you for your comments and suggestions!
As someone else said, there are children of William and Lydia Johnson born in Alfreton, in the years after that marriage. However I cannot find any children of a William and Lydia Brown born in Blackwell or any nearby parish. Nor can I find the death of a William and Lydia Brown.
I don't believe there is a licence, I've only seen banns mentioned for the Alfreton marriage. (I assume there's no separate record of banns, given this was 1738, before the Marriage Act of 1753)
I can confirm the Lydia Boot buried in Blackwell in 1732 is a lady who married into the family in the 1680s.
I don't think I'll ever be able to resolve this issue beyond all doubt, but on balance I believe the Brown-Boot marriage is an error.