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Hello There,
I am a little bit confused as to where the above is referring to.
I have looked into my probable 6x Great Grandad Benjamin Ringrose.
He was born in Edenham in 1735.
He married Mary Clark in Heydour, on the 6th of June 1765.
Mary was buried in Heydour on the 28th of May 1779. A freereg transcription gives her abode as: "Of the Lodge."
Benjamin had a son, also called Benjamin Ringrose. He was baptised in Heydour on the 5th of July 1781. In later years, he lived in Southwell, Nottinghamshire.
The transcription of Benjamin Ringrose senior, gives his place of birth on Family Search as: "Hather Lodge, Lincolnshire.":
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDY-R7Q
I do not know if this may be a transcription error, or if the original image gives Benjamin's place of birth as the same place that Family Search gives.
I know that Benjamin Ringrose senior was a Farmer. On Find My Past, there is a Transcript of Apprenticeship records, dated 1785. This gives Benjamin Ringrose's place as:
"Hathen, Lincolnshire."
It mentions Benjamin employing an Apprentice named Elizabeth Tebb:
Source: "Find My Past: The National Archives reference (IR 1 series) 32 f 108 Society of Genealogists number 161221"
Benjamin Ringrose senior was buried in Heydour, in January 1799.
Benjamin also had a Daughter called Ann (who I can't find a baptism for). She was born, according to Census records, in 1781/1782. She married Edward Marriott, in Nottinghamshire, I believe by Licence, sometime in around 1803. On the 1851 Census, her place of birth has also been transcribed as: "Hather, Lincolnshire.":
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6K-W99
I have been told by somebody via "Ancestry", that the above Ann, was the Daughter of Benjamin Ringrose, of Heydour. It apparently states that this Ann was: "Daughter of Benjamin Ringrose, of Heydour ", on the Non Conformist baptism for Ann's Daughter Mary, at Nottingham. This Mary according to that register, was born on the 31st of Dec 1805, and baptised on the 1st of Jan 1806.
Because I don't subscribe to Ancestry, I am not able to view the original image on there. It would be interesting to know, if it does indeed mention "Benjamin Ringrose of Heydour."
The source for the above, I believe is:
"England and Wales, Non - Conformist and Non - Parochial Registers 1567 - 1970."
I don't know if "The Lodge, Heydour/ Hather" refers to a specific building, or the name of an actual place.
I also don't know if the transcriptions that state "Hather"/ "Hathen" are possibly both transcription errors for Heydour. I cannot seem to find any reference to a Lodge in Heydour, or reference to place names of Hathen/ Hather.
Any information relating to the above would be gratefully accepted. :) ;)
Thank you very much. :)
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If you have a sub to FindMyPast, then you can view the image of Mary Marriott's baptism here - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyi/.
It does say that Ann was the daughter of Benjamin Ringrose, Farmer, parish of Hather Lincolnshire.
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deleted, wrong info :-[,
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If you search the 1851 census for THOMPSON in Haydor, you will find 20 people (a whole page) living at Haydor Lodge.
(A farmer - John G H THOMPSON - his family, servants and labourers)
I imagine Haydor and Hather could sound very similar.
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This map is of Heydor/Haydor Lodge but it is south of the village - https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/499577/337169/12/100251
You may need to zoom out a few times to see it.
On Google maps at NG32 3AE
There is a Heath Farm just below it.
On Bing Maps you can load an Ordnance Survey map of the area, which shows Heydor Lodge Farm and Heath Farm.
David
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There are references to the Newtons of Hather or Hatherthorp(e).
Culverthorpe near Heydor is also referred to as Thorpe or Hatherthorpe - http://www.parksandgardens.org/places-and-people/site/1019?preview=1
David
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If you have a sub to FindMyPast, then you can view the image of Mary Marriott's baptism here - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kyi/.
It does say that Ann was the daughter of Benjamin Ringrose, Farmer, parish of Hather Lincolnshire.
Thank you. :)
Curiosity got the better of me today. I don't have a subscription to FindMyPast, but I looked the baptism above up at the Library.
I wasn't sure weather or not it said "Hather" or "Hatton."
But I suppose it could be Hather. And this may sound like "Heydour." It is also correct that it did state the PARISH of aswell.
Cheers.
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There are references to the Newtons of Hather or Hatherthorp(e).
Culverthorpe near Heydor is also referred to as Thorpe or Hatherthorpe - http://www.parksandgardens.org/places-and-people/site/1019?preview=1
David
Thank you very much for this.
This is all starting to make sense now.
Cheers. :)
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Can I just check? You state the transcription of Benjamin Senior gives his place of birth as "Hather Lodge" and give a link. Doesn't the link identify Benjamin Junior NOT Benjamin Senior?
FindMyPast (image of original) - the baptismal record reads -
"Baptisms in the Parish of Heydour for the year 1871
July 5th Benjamin son of Benjamin & Anne Ringrose at ye(?) Lodge"
Cannot see any reference to "Hather Lodge"
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Curiosity got the better of me today. I don't have a subscription to FindMyPast, but I looked the baptism above up at the Library.
I wasn't sure weather or not it said "Hather" or "Hatton."
But I suppose it could be Hather. And this may sound like "Heydour." It is also correct that it did state the PARISH of aswell.
If it doesn't say Hather, it will be Hathen not Hatton. If you think about it, Hather and Hayder (as it may possibly be pronounced, I don't know for definite) will sound very similar depending on the accent.
There is a William Ringrose in Oxford on the 1851 Census aged either 51 or 57 (can't decide which but his burial in 1859 lists him as 65 years so 57 may be more accurate) whose birthplace is listed as Haydor or Haydour or Haydorn (not very clear). This suggests that Heydour is probably pronounced more like Haydor as there is a William baptised in Heydour in 1794, so 57 years old would be more accurate but he appears to be about 20 years older than his wife so could've dropped a few years for appearance sake. The GRO website death registration with the age added says 65 years too.
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Can I just check? You state the transcription of Benjamin Senior gives his place of birth as "Hather Lodge" and give a link. Doesn't the link identify Benjamin Junior NOT Benjamin Senior?
FindMyPast (image of original) - the baptismal record reads -
"Baptisms in the Parish of Heydour for the year 1871
July 5th Benjamin son of Benjamin & Anne Ringrose at ye(?) Lodge"
Cannot see any reference to "Hather Lodge"
Sorry.
If I stated Benjamin Senior, I made a mistake. I meant to state Benjamin Junior.
Benjamin junior was born in 1781, according to Freereg. Here is his baptism copied and pasted from there:
Field
Value
County Lincolnshire
Place (link for place information) Heydour
Church name St Michael
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 05 Jul 1781
Person forename Benjamin
Person sex M
Person abode At the Lodge
Father forename Benjamin
Father surname RINGROSE
Mother forename Anne
And here is a link to an 1851 transcription of Benjamin Ringrose junior. He is living at Southwell.
The transcription for his place of birth states: "Hather Lodge, Lincolnshire.":
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDY-R7Q
Thank you. :)
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Curiosity got the better of me today. I don't have a subscription to FindMyPast, but I looked the baptism above up at the Library.
I wasn't sure weather or not it said "Hather" or "Hatton."
But I suppose it could be Hather. And this may sound like "Heydour." It is also correct that it did state the PARISH of aswell.
If it doesn't say Hather, it will be Hathen not Hatton. If you think about it, hather and Hayder (as it may possibly be pronounced, I don't know for definite, will sound very similar depending on the accent.
There is a William Ringrose in Oxford on the 1851 Census aged either 51 or 57 (can't decide which but his burial in 1859 lists him as 65 years so 57 may be more accurate) whose birthplace is listed as Haydor or Haydour or Haydorn (not very clear). This suggests that Heydour is probably pronounced more like Haydor as there is a William baptised in Heydour in 1794, so 57 years old would be more accurate but he appears to be about 20 years older than his wife so could've dropped a few years for appearance sake. The GRO website death registration with the age added says 65 years too.
Yes.
Thanks once again. I looked into that William. And the only one I could find was the baptism for William in Heydour, in 1794 also.
I had not thought of the idea that he may have lied about his age, due to his age difference between himself and his Wife. Haha! :)
Cheers.
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Oops!
I too made a boo-boo. I typed 1871 - shd of course have been 1781.
Apologies
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Oops!
I too made a boo-boo. I typed 1871 - shd of course have been 1781.
Apologies
No worries. :) ;)
And it is the 1851 Census transcription that states Benjamin's place of birth as: "Hather Lodge, Lincolnshire."
Cheers.
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If you search the 1851 census for THOMPSON in Haydor, you will find 20 people (a whole page) living at Haydor Lodge.
(A farmer - John G H THOMPSON - his family, servants and labourers)
I imagine Haydor and Hather could sound very similar.
Thanks. :)
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This map is of Heydor/Haydor Lodge but it is south of the village - https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/499577/337169/12/100251
You may need to zoom out a few times to see it.
On Google maps at NG32 3AE
There is a Heath Farm just below it.
Much obliged, thanks.
My Benjamin Ringrose senior was a Farmer.
In the 1851 Census transcription, his son Benjamin Ringrose, was living in Southwell, Notts.He was baptised in 1781. His place of birth has been put down as: "Hather Lodge, Lincolnshire."
This website, I have just seen explains that Heydour was sometimes referred to as: "Hather". And other people on here have explained the same to me also:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Heydour
Therefore, Benjamin Ringrose junior may probably have been born at Heydour Lodge Farm.
Thaks very much everybody. :) ;)
On Bing Maps you can load an Ordnance Survey map of the area, which shows Heydor Lodge Farm and Heath Farm.
David
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This site has old maps of Lincolnshire:-
http://www.oldmapsonline.org
These two show Hather but no Heydor
http://biblio.unibe.ch/web-apps/maps/zoomify.php?pic=Ryh_1809_14.jpg&col=ryh
https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:ww72bp36x
The later ones show Haydor but no Hather - e.g.Cary's England 42-43
If you search in Google Books for John Newton Hather, it includes articles by Isaac Newton and one is 'The Life of Sir Isaac Newton', in which he states that Sir John was his great-grandfather.
Searching on John Newton Culverthorpe gives additional references to the same family
David
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This site has old maps of Lincolnshire:-
http://www.oldmapsonline.org
These two show Hather but no Heydor
http://biblio.unibe.ch/web-apps/maps/zoomify.php?pic=Ryh_1809_14.jpg&col=ryh
https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:ww72bp36x
The later ones show Haydor but no Hather - e.g.Cary's England 42-43
If you search in Google Books for John Newton Hather, it includes articles by Isaac Newton and one is 'The Life of Sir Isaac Newton', in which he states that Sir John was his great-grandfather.
Searching on John Newton Culverthorpe gives additional references to the same family
David
Thank you.
The maps are very interesting.
And I too did wander if there was a connection between Sir Isaac Newton, mentioned in an earlier post on here, and the Newtons of Culverthorpe. :) ;)
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Curiosity got the better of me today. I don't have a subscription to FindMyPast, but I looked the baptism above up at the Library.
I wasn't sure weather or not it said "Hather" or "Hatton."
But I suppose it could be Hather. And this may sound like "Heydour." It is also correct that it did state the PARISH of aswell.
If it doesn't say Hather, it will be Hathen not Hatton. If you think about it, Hather and Hayder (as it may possibly be pronounced, I don't know for definite) will sound very similar depending on the accent.
There is a William Ringrose in Oxford on the 1851 Census aged either 51 or 57 (can't decide which but his burial in 1859 lists him as 65 years so 57 may be more accurate) whose birthplace is listed as Haydor or Haydour or Haydorn (not very clear). This suggests that Heydour is probably pronounced more like Haydor as there is a William baptised in Heydour in 1794, so 57 years old would be more accurate but he appears to be about 20 years older than his wife so could've dropped a few years for appearance sake. The GRO website death registration with the age added says 65 years too.
Following on from my previous reply to you:
There was a William Ringrose, baptised in Heydour in 1794, as we mentioned.
But there was also a William Ringrose baptised in Heydour, in 1809. And on the FreeReg transcription, in the notes, it states: "aged 15 years."
This is quite puzzling. It seems that the same person may have been baptised in the same place 15 years apart. ::)
I cannot think why this may have been. :)
Thank you.
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I cannot think why this may have been. :)
Presumably, he didn't know if he'd been "done".
Father died 1799 ... was it his mother who was buried in Grantham 1800 (widow aged 48)?
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I cannot think why this may have been. :)
Presumably, he didn't know if he'd been "done".
Father died 1799 ... was it his mother who was buried in Grantham 1800 (widow aged 48)?
Yes,
That's right, his Mother was Ann, buried in Grantham in 1800, a Widow aged 48.
Haha! I didn't think of the option about him not knowing if he'd benn "done".
:) ;)
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One of mine wasn't "done" till much later. Notice "baptised conditionally" as he obviously didn't know if he'd been done before.
He spent the rest of his life saying that he was Thomas Howard EVERITT, but used his real name for the bap.
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One of mine wasn't "done" till much later. Notice "baptised conditionally" as he obviously didn't know if he'd been done before.
He spent the rest of his life saying that he was Thomas Howard EVERITT, but used his real name for the bap.
Thank you. :) ;)
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Presumably, he didn't know if he'd been "done".
Father died 1799 ... was it his mother who was buried in Grantham 1800 (widow aged 48)?
Yes,
That's right, his Mother was Ann, buried in Grantham in 1800, a Widow aged 48.
Haha! I didn't think of the option about him not knowing if he'd benn "done".
:) ;)
That's assuming that is the great Ann Ringrose burial. ;) However, I agree, if he didn't know he'd been baptised, that would explain the later one.
One of my ancestors was born Nov 1783 in Chenies and had himself baptised Dec 1858 in Rickmansworth (six years before his death). Several of his siblings do not also appear to have been baptised either. A brother got himself baptised just before he married but he was in only in his 30s at the time.
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Presumably, he didn't know if he'd been "done".
Father died 1799 ... was it his mother who was buried in Grantham 1800 (widow aged 48)?
Yes,
That's right, his Mother was Ann, buried in Grantham in 1800, a Widow aged 48.
Haha! I didn't think of the option about him not knowing if he'd benn "done".
:) ;)
That's assuming that is the great Ann Ringrose burial. ;) However, I agree, if he didn't know he'd been baptised, that would explain the later one.
One of my ancestors was born Nov 1783 in Chenies and had himself baptised Dec 1858 in Rickmansworth (six years before his death). Several of his siblings do not also appear to have been baptised either. A brother got himself baptised just before he married but he was in only in his 30s at the time.
Thanks once again,
You have all been a great help. :) ;)
Cheers.
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One of my ancestors was born Nov 1783 in Chenies and had himself baptised Dec 1858 in Rickmansworth (six years before his death). Several of his siblings do not also appear to have been baptised either. A brother got himself baptised just before he married but he was in only in his 30s at the time.
My 5x Great Grandad, Samuel Ringrose, does not appear to have been baptised either.
I was helped to work out his lineage, by a member on "Ancestry", who found him in the 1861 Census, with his Sister, Ann Marriott. We then looked at the previous 1851 Census and found Ann in the same place, in Greasley, and with the same sons and daughters, as were with her in the 1861 Census. Her place of birth was put down as: "Hather, Lincolnshire."
Then the Non - Conformist baptism was found for Anne's second Daughter Mary, in 1806 in Nottingham which mentioned Ann's Father being: "Benjamin Ringrose, a Farmer of the parish of Hather."
My Samuel, looking at the age on Census returns, and his age at death, on burial, was probably born in 1784.
Ann, his Sister, was born around 1782.
We know from the "Apprenticeship Record" of their Father, Benjamin, that in 1785, he was residing at Hather.
But looking back on the original parish records, there does not seem to be a baptism for Ann, or Samuel around those years. :)
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So glad you have changed your mind Richard on the Ringroses.
I knew my research last year was correct but no one believed me!
I took a leap of faith and deleted my incorrect part of the tree about a year ago, everyone else including yourself & Donald Ringrose still have their trees as Nottinghamshire ancestry.
I knew as soon as I found the the miss transcribed census that this was a crucial bit to my tree, as it linked Ann and Samuel as brother and sister, granted it did not help that Samuel did not know where he was born, but on the previous census 1851 his sister was very specific, this also lead me to find their other sibling Benjamin who was in Southwell Nottinghamshire on the census records and he also states he was born in Hather/ Heydour. The final piece to confirm my findings was the non-conformist baptism At the New Connection Methodist church Parliament Street, Nottingham. of Edward and Ann Marriot's daughter Mary where Ann gives her father name as Benjamin Ringrose (Senior) of Haydour Lincolnshire.
From these two key documents I was able to get the tree back to 1684 with a baptism of John Ringrose father Moses,(Miller) and with research from another poster (She knows who she is!) the tree is looking like it be taken further back.
Welcome to the other side!
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So glad you have changed your mind Richard on the Ringroses.
I knew my research last year was correct but no one believed me!
I took a leap of faith and deleted my incorrect part of the tree about a year ago, everyone else including yourself & Donald Ringrose still have their trees as Nottinghamshire ancestry.
I knew as soon as I found the the miss transcribed census that this was a crucial bit to my tree, as it linked Ann and Samuel as brother and sister, granted it did not help that Samuel did not know where he was born, but on the previous census 1851 his sister was very specific, this also lead me to find their other sibling Benjamin who was in Southwell Nottinghamshire on the census records and he also states he was born in Hather/ Heydour. The final piece to confirm my findings was the non-conformist baptism At the New Connection Methodist church Parliament Street, Nottingham. of Edward and Ann Marriot's daughter Mary where Ann gives her father name as Benjamin Ringrose (Senior) of Haydour Lincolnshire.
From these two key documents I was able to get the tree back to 1684 with a baptism of John Ringrose father Moses,(Miller) and with research from another poster (She knows who she is!) the tree is looking like it be taken further back.
Welcome to the other side!
Hello Sue,
I have sent you an e-mail message regarding the above.
Also, I think the last time that I looked on Ancestry, there were around 10 trees that had Samuel down as being born in Heydour. :) ;)
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I don't often look at trees on Ancestry so though my info might be out of date, but when I just did a search only mine and yours came up, perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
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I don't often look at trees on Ancestry so though my info might be out of date, but when I just did a search only mine and yours came up, perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
For Samuel in my "Hints Section", it is 12 actually:
"This hint compiles information from 12 other Public Ancestry Member Trees.
Name
Samuel Ringrose
Birth
Abt. Jun 1784 - Heydour, Lincolnshire, England
Death
6 July 1867 - Bingham, Nottinghamshire, England"
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I don't often look at trees on Ancestry so though my info might be out of date, but when I just did a search only mine and yours came up, perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
Possibly I might have misinterpreted what it means in the "Hints Section". The hints does say COMPILES information from 12 other trees, not COMPLIES with.
Because I don't subscribe to Ancestry, I don't know either way. :)
Thanks.
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From these two key documents I was able to get the tree back to 1684 with a baptism of John Ringrose father Moses,(Miller) and with research from another poster (She knows who she is!) the tree is looking like it be taken further back.
;D
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So glad you have changed your mind Richard on the Ringroses.
I knew my research last year was correct but no one believed me!
I took a leap of faith and deleted my incorrect part of the tree about a year ago, everyone else including yourself & Donald Ringrose still have their trees as Nottinghamshire ancestry.
I knew as soon as I found the the miss transcribed census that this was a crucial bit to my tree, as it linked Ann and Samuel as brother and sister, granted it did not help that Samuel did not know where he was born, but on the previous census 1851 his sister was very specific, this also lead me to find their other sibling Benjamin who was in Southwell Nottinghamshire on the census records and he also states he was born in Hather/ Heydour. The final piece to confirm my findings was the non-conformist baptism At the New Connection Methodist church Parliament Street, Nottingham. of Edward and Ann Marriot's daughter Mary where Ann gives her father name as Benjamin Ringrose (Senior) of Haydour Lincolnshire.
From these two key documents I was able to get the tree back to 1684 with a baptism of John Ringrose father Moses,(Miller) and with research from another poster (She knows who she is!) the tree is looking like it be taken further back.
Welcome to the other side!
The other reason why I changed my mind was because of this (which I have been thinking about lately haha!):
The original Nottinghamshire lineage tree of Samuel Ringrose had him being born: "abt.1783 in either Sutton on Trent/ Normanton on Trent Nottinghamshire."
He was put down as being a son of William Ringrose, and Sarah Andrew who were married on the 21st of April 1783, in Normanton on Trent Nottinghamshire.
His siblings were put down as being baptised in: Normanton, Swinderby, Lincs, and there was one (Maria) baptised in Langford, Nottinghamshire, in 1793.
Samuel had 11 siblings on that "Nottinghamshire Tree".
My main problem apart from what had been discovered regarding the "Hather Lincolnshire Lineage" was the fact that all of Samuel's other proposed Nottinghamshire siblings, all eleven of them, their baptisms had been found, but Samuel's hadn't been.
If a baptism does appear for my Samuel, I will of course change my tree.
However, there doesn't appear to be much room to "squeeze him in anywhere." Haha!
Especially if you bear in mind the fact that he was born in 1784-1785, according to census records, his burial record, and his death certificate. The 1841 census image shows his age to be "56", but has been transcribed as: "50". It is 66 on the 1851 census, and 76, on the 1861 Census.
He died on the 6th of July 1867 and his age on the death certificate was put down as 83.
These are children born baptised to William Ringrose and Sarah Andrew, before 1788:
William Ringrose Andrew (born before parents were married). bap 19 Jan 1783, Normanton on Trent.
John Ringrose. bap 28 Jan 1784, Swinderby, Lincs.
Thomas Ringrose. bap 4 Oct 1785, Swinderby.
Mary. bap 25 June 1787, Swinderby.
Looking at this, some might suggest that he could have been baptised in 1786. But I believe if he had been baptised in 1786 in Swinderby, it would have been found. This is because further baptisms of the above Ringrose's baptised in Swinderby between 1787-1791 can be found.
So, in short, even though there appears to be no baptism for Samuel in Hather, Lincs for those years (or his sister Ann Ringrose): I feel that it is much more likely that he was born in Hather, rather than in Sutton/ Normanton on Trent Notts, for the above reasons and the evidence found on the 1861 census and baptism registers of two of Ann Ringrose's children.
I find it strange that in the 1851 Census, Samuel's place of birth was put down as: "Not Known". I wander why this would have been? Could it have been because he was asleep? Haha! :) ;)
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Yes I agree with these facts, that’s way I continued my research in 2016 and found the Heather connection.
Regarding the 1851 census. My thoughts were he was only the lodger, so he my not have known what details were given to the enumerator. Then on looking on the 1861 census he is living with his sister who stated they were born in Lincoln, Samuel did live in Lincoln for a few years or it could just have been abbreviated from Lincolnshire. To try and refine the area I searched for more Ringrose’s in Nottinghamshire and looked for place of birth I found a Benjamin born in Hather Lincolnshire so used this as a starting point, I found baptisms for Benjamin and a Mary but not Ann or Samuel who’s ages based on census records falls between these siblings. So still no conclusive proof, however the crucial information was on the Non Conformist Baptism record which I advised of in March last year. This was the baptism of Ann’s daughter Mary which states that Mary is the daughter of Ann and Edward Marriott. Ann being the daughter of Benjamin Ringrose Farmer of Hather Lincolnshire.
Since on the 1861 census it is stated that Samuel is her brother then we must assume that Benjamin is also the father of Samuel.
I don’t like assumptions but on checking the Heydour Parish Records Find The Benjamin was Benjamin Snr and his wife Ann’s first born son, based on census records Ann was born c1782, so their first born daughter was named after her mother Ann. Samuel was born c1785 then their sister Mary was born 1787 her baptism states parents Benjamin and Ann, so I think we can safely say Ann and Benjamin have the same parents as these siblings. A further link is Samuel called his daughter Charlotte, Samuels younger sister was also called Charlotte.
I was now happy this was the correct family I got the research back with certainty to 1655 and possibly with the work of another researcher she has got them back another two generations or more if we assume that a family with the same names but in a nearby county are the same family. She was working on a different line in the family and our research met.
So many twists and turns but I finally got there.
Even with the evidence no one was convinced. Eventually you were! Ha ha
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Early newspapers reported the appointment of gamekeepers.
Stamford Mercury, Fri, 28 Sep 1787
LINCOLNSHIRE,PARTS OF KESTEVEN
Gamekeepers
Deputed - Ringrose, Benjamin - Haydor
By whom - Duke of Rutland
Manor - Ropsley
His entry for Sep 1789 reads -
Keepers' Names - Ringrove (sic), Benjamin of Hather
Lords and Ladies of Manors - ... Isabella, Duchess of Rutland and Henry Duke of Beaufort; Right Hon William, Earl of Mansfield and the Right Hon William Pitt
Manor - Ropsley
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The Stamford Mercury, 9 April 1778, reported the death of Emanuel Langford, M.A., rector of Ormsby and Vicar of Hather.
The Clergydatabase - Emanuel Langford
Instituted Vicar - location Hather with Kelby, 10/4/1747
Death - Office Vicar - location Heydour with Kelby and Thorpe, 28 April 1778
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Hanes teulu.
Thank you very much for that, I need to look at older Newspapers, I don’t think I had looked at them that far back. Another thing to put on my to do list.
I love all this extra information, it puts flesh on the bones so to speak.
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Early newspapers reported the appointment of gamekeepers.
Stamford Mercury, Fri, 28 Sep 1787
LINCOLNSHIRE,PARTS OF KESTEVEN
Gamekeepers
Deputed - Ringrose, Benjamin - Haydor
By whom - Duke of Rutland
Manor - Ropsley
His entry for Sep 1789 reads -
Keepers' Names - Ringrove (sic), Benjamin of Hather
Lords and Ladies of Manors - ... Isabella, Duchess of Rutland and Henry Duke of Beaufort; Right Hon William, Earl of Mansfield and the Right Hon William Pitt
Manor - Ropsley
Thank you. :)
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A further link is Samuel called his daughter Charlotte, Samuels younger sister was also called Charlotte.
There are also more links regarding the names of Samuel's children, Sue apart from him having a daughter called Charlotte:
His son Benjamin, baptised in 1823 in Hoveringham.
His son William, baptised in 1821 and the previous one that had died in 1812. William was Samuel's brother's name.
His daughter Mary, baptised in 1816. Samuel had a half sister called Mary.
I originally rejected the Hather link previously because in the 1841 census, Samuel had been put down as being born in the county of Nottinghamshire.
But then I looked at Benjamin Ringrose, brother of Samuel. He was baptised in 1781 in Hather.
In that 1841 census, Benjamin was also put down as being born in Nottinghamshire.
Family Search here has given him an age of 66. But a transcription on Ancestry gives his age as 60:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7S9-H5X
Then in the 1851 census, Benjamin's place of birth has been put down as: "Hather Lodge, Lincolnshire". It is the same person who was recorded above in the 1841 census in Southwell:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDY-R7Q
There was also the fact that Hoveringham where Samuel was living in the 1841 census, is only just under 6 miles south from Southwell. And with the other facts found, that's when I started to think that they were more than just coincidences:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Southwell/Hoveringham+Village+Hall,+Gonalston+Ln,+Nottingham+NG14+7JH/@53.0484807,-0.9927274,13z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4879b53ab99826d5:0x99f5ec9e664f7dcc!2m2!1d-0.959921!2d53.079044!1m5!1m1!1s0x4879c84f9f6fa1b1:0x43f1434f95a8d5c6!2m2!1d-0.9606843!2d53.0122109!3e1
Thank you. :) ;)
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I originally rejected the Hather link previously because in the 1841 census, Samuel had been put down as being born in the county of Nottinghamshire.
But then I looked at Benjamin Ringrose, brother of Samuel. He was baptised in 1781 in Hather.
In that 1841 census, Benjamin was also put down as being born in Nottinghamshire.
That is quite common with the 1841 Census and I've seen it quite a lot of times, someone listed as born in county when either later census or other information confirms otherwise, and vice versa. Added to the issue with lack of relationship and rounding of ages, the 1841 is the least accurate but can obviously still be useful. There can of course be issues with all the Census, particularly dependent on the informant of the information and whether they are being totally honest.
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Early newspapers reported the appointment of gamekeepers.
Stamford Mercury, Fri, 28 Sep 1787
LINCOLNSHIRE,PARTS OF KESTEVEN
Gamekeepers
Deputed - Ringrose, Benjamin - Haydor
By whom - Duke of Rutland
Manor - Ropsley
His entry for Sep 1789 reads -
Keepers' Names - Ringrove (sic), Benjamin of Hather
Lords and Ladies of Manors - ... Isabella, Duchess of Rutland and Henry Duke of Beaufort; Right Hon William, Earl of Mansfield and the Right Hon William Pitt
Manor - Ropsley
Thank you for this. :) ;)
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Stamford Mercury, 31 Mar 1743
ADVERT
"There is now in the Hands of John Weaver of Hather Lodge, near Grantham, Lincolnshire, a grey Horse call'd Driver ..."
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Stamford Mercury, 31 Mar 1743
ADVERT
"There is now in the Hands of John Weaver of Hather Lodge, near Grantham, Lincolnshire, a grey Horse call'd Driver ..."
Haha! The plot thickens! (Possibly anyway :D). :) ;)
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There was a William Weaver Ringrose a Music Bachelor, Oxon, F.C.O. -
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3357120?seq=1
I know he was an Organist, at Great Marlow and then Southwell and went to Oxford University.
He was a son of William Ringrose who was baptised 1794 at Heydour, Lincolnshire. His dad died aged 65 at Oxford in 1859.
Does anyone please know what "F.C.O" stands for in the above link?
Thank you. :) ;)
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Did wonder if Hather Lodge was linked to Hather Thorpe?
https://cca.qc.ca/fr/recherche/details/collection/object/14314
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Did wonder if Hather Lodge was linked to Hather Thorpe?
https://www.cca.qc.ca/fr/recherch/details/collection/object/14314
Sorry, the link doesn't work.
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I think it does - now!
I should really learn to cut and paste, rather than transcribe and key.