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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: KiwiHugh on Saturday 28 October 17 05:03 BST (UK)
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John was born in London England in 1898. From family search he enters the US in 1925 as a journalist with intention of going to Washington DC. A likely in the 1930 Census as a single man. He is the only John D Tutin birth registered within 10 years either side of 1900 in England. His deceased father was Christopher and Mother was Jessie Sophia nee Dalby who passed on in 1940 back in England. Did he stay in USA, marry etc. ? as it looks like him passing on back in Sussex England in 1963.
His sister Helen Mary Elizabeth Tutin born 1901 also travelled to USA but indicated she intended returning to England. I can not find her anywhere.
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Hi Kiwi Hugh,
PROBATE 1963:
John Dalby TUTIN of 16 Basildon Close, Brighton Road, Sutton Surrey
Died 30 June 1963 at St Helier Hospital, Carshalton, Surrey.
Probate Lewes 9 Aug 1963 to Suzanne Mayer TUTIN, widow
Effects:£4663, 2s, 0d
Cheers
AMBLY
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PROBATE: Suzanne Mayer TUTIN of 16 Basildon Close, Brighton Road, Sutton
Died 23 April 1980
Probate Brighton 19 August 1980. Effects:£3242
DEATH: FreeBMD:
Suzanne Marie TUTIN, dob: 18 Dec 1899
Registered June Qtr 1980, Sutton
(Aged 80yrs)
Cheers
AMBLY
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Record for Suzanne Tutin arrival Plymouth 21 August 1930
Ship Paris going to 77,Christchurch Road London
Marriage by License 20 June 1930 Manhatton New York
John D Tutin
Suzanne A M Mayer
Rosie
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On arrival for John Tutin his occupation is down as Bank Clerk address going to 77,Christchurch Street London arrival date 21 August 1930
Rosie
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Just mentioning the 1930 arrival of Susanne into Plymouth, it was out of New York.... and has this additional information:
She is aged 30, no occupation
Country of which subject or Citizen: France
Last Permanent resident of the USA
Intended future permanent residence: England
The manifest puts her age in the column for female "Accompanied by Husband or Wife" (but John is not listed on the same page, because she's on the "Alien" Manifest)
Cheers
AMBLY
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When John went to the USA in 1925, the ship manifest stated he was intending to be in the US for 5 years - so he arrived back in the UK as planned, in 1930. His 1925 go to address in Washington DC was c/of a Carol Howe Foster of the State Department. So possibly he had a fixed term position of employment there?
Cheers
AMBLY
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The 1930 CENSUS you refer to, fits the bill for John - not at all long before they married:
East 79th Street, Manhattan
Head: John D TUTIN, 31, single, Banker, b England, imm 1925, alien.
He has 2 roomers, all Doctors.
The 1930 has a possible for the soon to be wife (enumeration 17 April)
1142, East 85th Street, Manhattan
Head: Susan MAYER 30, single, Public School Teacher, born France, imm 1919, pa (papers filed for naturalisation).
Susanne's death was registered in the US Soc Sec system too , looks as if she was drawing a US pension perhaps? :
Suzanne Tutin, born 18 Dec 1899
Soc Sec Nr: 201-40-6699, issued in Pennsylvania
Last Residence: U.S. Consulate) London, United Kingdom
Last Benefit : U.S. Consulate) London, United Kingdom
Born, 18 Dec 1899
Died April 1980:
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks Ambly and Rosie17. That was clever of her to get a pension. Looks like they had just the one girl.
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Helen Elizabeth Mary TUTIN
Of 67 Whitelands House, Cheltenham Terrace, London
She died 28 April 1998.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-55252-893
Her Probate was granted July 1998, at the Newcastle on Tyne Registry
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
In 1929, 1931: Helen Elizabeth Mary TUTIN was living with her mother Jessie Sophia TUTIN as 77 Christchurch Road, Lambeth.
1946-1951:
Helen E N (sic) TUTIN, lived at 23a Cedar Road Sutton, along with her sister Norah Christine, Mrs FINLASON.
In 1952, Norah remarried to Frederick POWELL.
In 1954 Norah and husband are in Sutton, but Helen not with them.
Cheers
AMBLY
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I can't find her Death registration though, can you?
I checked England/Wales - and Scotland.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks Ambly. No to finding her reg. The best I was seeing were free electoral registering for just Helen. While Tutin was relatively uncommon in London, there are more up north and a Helen could have come South.
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I wonder if she died overseas in 1998.....do you have her exact date of birth?
Cheers
AMBLY
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No just the year from Free BMD and GRO. That will site is jolly useful. ;D
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It is ! ;D I've found a lot of goodies in there, too :)
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Here are the details of John & Susanne's marriage record - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2482-XXP
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This looks like her arrival in the US - the year matches the 1930 Census statement, the place of birth matches the marriage record:
SS FRANCE, departed Le Havre 6 Sep 1919, Arrived New York, 13 Sep 1919
Suzanne MAYER 20, Single, Student, French citizen/national
Last Resident of Belfort, France
Nearest relatives in country whence came:
Parents, 5 Rue de Thann at Belfort (Territory of Belfort)
Destination: Emmingtsburg (sic), Maryland
Never before in US
Going to: St College Enningburg
Description: 5'2", Fair Complexion, Black Hair, Brown Eyes
Born: Nancy, France
Cheers
AMBLY
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More thanks. Hot dang Family Search can be so frustrating in what it offers when you do a search.
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www.libertyellisfoundation.org shows several trips for her.
In addition to the first arrival in 1919, it appears that in 1921 Suzanne Mayer (21), returned to the US in the company of a sister, Jeanne, (17), who was born Laneuville(?). They were heading to Jacksonville, Illinois.
There are a few later trips for both Suzanne and Jeanne, they seem to be both travelling together on the Veendam in 1926, for example. They were teachers.
Despite the different father's name, I think this might be Jeanne's marriage in 1928:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24WR-7MG
(Can't find them later in the US - maybe went back to Switzerland with her husband?)
I would expect records for Nancy to be found here: http://www.archives.meurthe-et-moselle.fr/fr/archives-en-ligne.html but they don't seem to have birth records past the 1880s.
However taking a bet that Jeanne's birthplace on the 1921 ship register was actually a reference to Laneuveville-devant-Nancy , they do have recensements (the French census).
1906: page 4 of 38
Rue Nationale, 19 contains two households:
Charles Dron, b. 1842, Laneuveville-devant-Nancy
Anne Hilare, b. 1847, Lunéville , his wife
Pierre Mayer, b. 1873, Verdun, electrician
Marie Dron, b. 1877, Laneuveville-devant-Nancy, his wife
Suzanne Mayer, b. 1899, Nancy, his daughter
Jeanne Mayer, b. 1903, Laneuveville-devant-Nancy, his daughter
By 1911, Charles Dron is at the same address alone (page 7 of 43)
Pierre Emile Mayer is also listed in the 1893 matricules militaires (registers of military service). He is number 404 in the Bureau of Nancy. Born 31 July 1873, Verdun, his parents were Nicholas and Catherine nee Neu, both deceased.
The most important thing this document gives is a list of addresses:
13 May 1896 - was at Laneuveville-devant-Nancy
4 Oct 1899 - No 17, Rue Mac Mahon, Nancy (probably where Suzanne was born)
8 Nov 1901 - Laneuveville-devant-Nancy
20 Apr 1906 - 3 Ave de St. Germain, Bois Colombes
15 Jan 1908 - 8 Rue du 22 Septembre, Courbevoie
24 Dec 1911 - 19 Rue du Tramway, Belfort
27 Jun 1914 - still at 19 Rue du Tramway
The last address given is 5 Rue du Thann Belfort which I think is where he was when he was finally removed from the reserves list in 1917.
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Thanks jorose. Did the French census record maiden names or is it French custom for women to not change names on marriage?