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Title: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Knarf45 on Saturday 04 November 17 10:09 GMT (UK)
I need some help/advice on tracking down my relative Jenny Burton HAYNES, Born 1873. She was 1 of 14 children born to Thomas Haynes (1841-1912) and Mary Jane Slocombe (1839-1913) of Wolborough, Newton Abbott.

I have tracked the family through the census returns and her name disappears between the 1881 and 1891 returns, when she would have been between 8 and 18 years old. I have been unable to find any marriage or death record using the usual free online resources.

Can anyone help or advise?
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 04 November 17 11:22 GMT (UK)
The 1911 census gives number of children born and number of children still alive so that might indicate if she had died prior or was still alive at that point. 

Did the family stay in the Devon area?
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Knarf45 on Sunday 05 November 17 09:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, the parents stayed in the Newton Abbott area.

Her older sister Florence married in 1892 and her and her husband, William Penberthy moved to Swindon some time prior to the 1901 census.  Although she has a younger sibling staying with her on that occasion and in the 1911 Census neither one is Jenny.

I searched FreeBMD again this morning and it turned up the Death registration of a Jennie Haynes in Mar Quarter 1945 age 72 in Birmingham.  Her stated age would confirm an 1873 birth but I am not convinced it's the Jennie I'm looking for.

I have tried searching under "Jane Haynes"; "Jane B"; "Jennie Burton"; "Jane Burton"; with the surname variants and All Counties boxes ticked but can not identify and potential candidates.

So I might just have to leave her on the back burner if this enquiry proves fruitless.

Any info or ideas will be gratefully received.

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Mowsehowse on Sunday 05 November 17 10:40 GMT (UK)
If you are very lucky she might turn up as a witness for a sibling's marriage.... or with a relative on any census. 
Until she was married she might have been shared amongst the family helping out with infinite numbers of babies and children.....
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Mowsehowse on Sunday 05 November 17 10:44 GMT (UK)
I live nearby if you would like any photos....
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 05 November 17 11:29 GMT (UK)
Only 1 child out of 15 has died before 1911 - do you know who that was or does it have to be Jenny?
Process of elimination - if it wasn't one of the others then it has to be her.
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 05 November 17 12:09 GMT (UK)
The 1945 death in Birmingham is probably the wife of Cecil Owen HAYNES.

Maureen
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Knarf45 on Wednesday 29 November 17 09:47 GMT (UK)
Millipede

Apologies for delay in responding - unfortunately work got in the way of my research!

I think you are right as I have traced marriages for all her brothers and sisters although I still have to finalize final confirmation on 2-3 of her later siblings.

What puzzles me is if she did pass away during that period why is there no death registration?

Thanks for your help.

Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 29 November 17 14:18 GMT (UK)
Had another look and nothing  :(

Can only think she is under another first name but Jenny Burton is what she was registered as so  ???
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 29 November 17 14:56 GMT (UK)


Where did the "Burton" part come from?

In case it may be relevant . . . . .
there is a Harold Burton Haynes 22/Jul/1908-QJun1974(Torbay)
but is he Harold William QSep1908 NewtonAbbot?  (mmn Winser)


Ray
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 29 November 17 14:57 GMT (UK)
Determined not to give up on her!

Having a look in 1891 and, wrong name I know, but there is a Bertha Haymes corrected to Haynes
age 18 servant born Newton Abbott with the Crether family.
Plus it's in Wolborough

Now I can't see a birth for a Bertha Haymes or Haynes so one to check out just in case  :)
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 29 November 17 15:05 GMT (UK)
reply #10 added to.
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 29 November 17 15:39 GMT (UK)
I can find 14 Haynes/Slocombe births in Newton Abbot so we know who the players are

Florence 1866
Mary Ella 1868
Jenny Burton 1873
Polly 1875
Eva Sabrina 1884
Rosaline 1885
Daisy May 1890

Frank 1881
Harry 1879
James Clement 1882
Bill 1878
Tom 1876
Fred 1870
Thomas Albert 1867

So still missing one.  There's a Lucy 17 in 1881 and 7 in 1871.  Maybe Lucy Jane Slocombe 1864 no mothers name so born before the marriage.  So that's all 15 if she was included.
Title: Re: HAYNES, Jenny Burton - NEWTON ABBOTT
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 29 November 17 15:40 GMT (UK)
Quote
Where did the "Burton" part come from?

In case it may be relevant . . . . .
there is a Harold Burton Haynes 22/Jul/1908-QJun1974(Torbay)
but is he Harold William QSep1908 NewtonAbbot?  (mmn Winser)


Tom Haynes marriage Dec 1899 Newton Abbot - one of the 2 brides is Louisa Harriet Winser
but don't know where the "Burton" comes from.