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Can anyone tell me how you find out about someone who died 2014 onwards but you don't know when?
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Obit in newspaper?
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Ancestry does have a few recent deaths on line, but not many. As far as I know there is no site that holds records that recent.
Do you know where they died, if so it might be worth trying local papers? Or if you know the area perhaps the register office may help as it is a relatively short time span that you are enquiring about.
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If they left a Will the date of death is shown on the probate database.
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If they left a Will the date of death is shown on the probate database.
Good idea, NJ.
The problem nowadays is that not many people put obituaries in newspapers and often not even death notices.
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The link:
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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iannounce worth a try
https://www.iannounce.co.uk/United-Kingdom/23/Death/death?_fstatus=search
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Many thanks - I have already tried all those methods above - so what next? Can you contact the registrar of the area and request a search of the years 2014 onwards?
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I can check the GRO death index at the archives this week if you want to send me a pm with their name, date of birth and the area they were last known to be living in.
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You can ask the local register office but they may only confirm the person has died, not exactly when.
They may also ask for information to verify the request which you may not have such as exact date of death and place.
That's if you can even get to speak with the register office. A lot of these calls now go through call centres.
My local reg office will only take written enquiries/applications accompanied by a cheque.
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Have you checked the Electoral Rolls?
http://www.192.com/
Annie
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The problem nowadays is that not many people put obituaries in newspapers and often not even death notices.
I've heard of & knew someone who's house was broken into whilst at the funeral of their partner, how sad is that :(
Annie
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The problem nowadays is that not many people put obituaries in newspapers and often not even death notices.
I've heard of & knew someone who's house was broken into whilst at the funeral of their partner, how sad is that :(
Annie
Even back as far as 1988 when my mum died, the undertaker told us not to even put the street name in the funeral notice "because some low-life use funeral notices to find out when it's safe to break in and steal" !!
Dawn M
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People do not tend to put obits in the paper,they cost too much!
But our local funeral directors do have the weekly list of who is being buried (and where) each week.
If you know who the family may have used,maybe that's an option?
Not so useful in a large area,but where I live people only use them or the Co-op ;D
Carol
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Can I ask how you know the person definitely died & after 2014?
Annie
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I think if you had posted all the avenues you have tried would have helped.
Would this person have been on the 1939 Register?
Is the persons details open for the 1939?
Annie
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Thanks Annie - no he is blacked out on the 1939
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Ok...blanked out may mean he's still alive?
Another avenue...
Do you know if this person owned their own property?
If so, this link will let you know when last sold etc. but that doesn't mean he's deceased as he may be in a Home or living with relatives?
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/house-prices/
If the house is Council owned it will not have any details i.e. it will only state 'Unknown' although if the property was bought many yrs ago & not sold but rented out now the details will still come up as 'Unknown'!
Do you know of any family members you could trace on the Electoral Roll on the link I posted?
His name however should come up on the electoral roll (as far as I know) if he's in a home & for sure if he's with relatives?
Try a search with name & check his age on any within another household as he may be with a married daughter with a different surname?
That's assuming he/family member are in same area or it's 'needle in a haystack'?
Annie
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His name will only come up on the electoral register if he has decided to carry on voting.
Many very elderly people do not have the mental or physical capacity and chose not to vote if they have chronic health issues and can't get to the polling station. Even having a postal vote means you may have to rely on someone else posting your envelope.
I do have the name and will check the death index this week.
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His name will only come up on the electoral register if he has decided to carry on voting.
Many very elderly people do not have the mental or physical capacity and chose not to vote if they have chronic health issues and can't get to the polling station. Even having a postal vote means you may have to rely on someone else posting your envelope.
I do have the name and will check the death index this week.
My name isn’t on the electoral register available to the public and I’m not dead, I’m mentally okay, I vote and I haven’t moved. I’ve just opted out of appearing on the register as have most of my friends and family.
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But you will still be on the full register held by your local registration officer and the legally deposited copy at the British Library.
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Yes, I didn’t realise there was an option not to be on that. How easy is that to view by the general public?
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The obvious answer is to go to the Superintendant Registrar's office for the place the person died and search the indexes for his/her death.
Then buy the certificate.
You do not have to give any details for wanting it, you do not even have to give any reason for wanting any birth marriage or death certificate in the UK it is a legal requirement they are provided on payment of the relevant fee.
Cheers
Guy
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His name will only come up on the electoral register if he has decided to carry on voting.
Thanks Dawn...
I had (what we should never do in genealogy) assumed anyone of voting age would have appeared on the Voters Roll/Electoral Register!
Annie
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His name will only come up on the electoral register if he has decided to carry on voting.
Thanks Dawn...
I had (what we should never do in genealogy) assumed anyone of voting age would have appeared on the Voters Roll/Electoral Register!
Annie
I had thought that as well, Annie. I thought it was a legal requirement to fill in the form otherwise you could be fined. Whether or not you then exercise your right to vote is another matter. I know that there are two lists held - the electoral register and the open register, which is the one sold to people and which you can opt out of. Have I got that wrong?
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I thought it was a legal requirement to fill in the form otherwise you could be fined. Whether or not you then exercise your right to vote is another matter.
Oohh Yes...
I recall many yrs ago receiving a threatening letter regarding court action (words to that effect) as I hadn't returned the doc. (pre net days) & I was not only scared but livid.
I filled in the form & sent it back with a letter to say they should be more interested in the people not paying their rent/council tax or poll tax (whichever at the time) & scare them with a jail threat as my only fault was mislaying & forgetting to fill in a form.
Needless to say I had no apology or explanation ::)
Annie
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from the gov.uk website
https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register
but I know of 1 friend who has never been on the electoral register.
There must be others who deliberately chose to fall through the cracks for all sorts of reasons.
Apart from being able to vote, appearing on the electoral register can help if you want to buy large items on credit as the credit companies establish how long you've been there, what sort of property it is and how great a risk you are for not paying.
edited to add this
https://www.ctp.org.uk/assets/x/51839
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Isn't the electoral role also used to determine whether or not you are eligible for Jury Service? So presumably by not completing it you are evading being called up for that.
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A long document but it lists who can and can't vote
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/162573/Part-2-Registration-framework.pdf
yes, the list is used for jury service