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Title: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: dtemplet on Monday 06 November 17 04:17 GMT (UK)
I've hit a brick wall with my G G Grandfather William Templeton b c 1828, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. He married Elizabeth Clark, 28 September 1849. However there are far too many William Templeton's born in Ayrshire around that time and I can't be sure who his parents were. Could be a John Templeton/ Janet Lermont but that's just a guess. Can anyone help [lease?
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: chempat on Monday 06 November 17 06:44 GMT (UK)
Have you found him on 1841 census?  What information was on the marriage records, and his death records?
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: rosie17 on Monday 06 November 17 10:31 GMT (UK)
Is this the family on the 1861 census address 25,Hope Street Bridgeton Glasgow
William Templeton age 36 born Kilmarnock occupation cotton weaver
Elizabeth Templeton age 40 born Ireland
Sarah Templeton age 9 born Kilmarnock
Rebecca Templeton age 8 born Kilmarnock
Isabella Templeton age 6 born Glasgow
William Templeton age 9 months born Bridgeton Glasgow

Would this be the same family in 1871/1881 Keighley Yorkshire ?
Death for a William Templeton 1884 Keighley Yorkshire age 56 .
As chempat has said what information is on his marriage /death records does it give an occupation for his father ?

Rosie
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: ev on Monday 06 November 17 12:41 GMT (UK)
1851 Kilmarnock , Ayrshire(FreeCEN)
William Templeton 25 weaver silk b. Kilmarnock Ayrshire
Eliza Templeton 21(?) wife born Ireland
James Templeton 1 son b. Kilmarnock Ayrshire

Scotlandspeople has a death for a James Templeton , age 5 , 1855 Bridgeton Lanark , mother's maiden name Clark.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Atempleton~%20%2Bany_place%3Abridgeton~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Atempleton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aelizabeth~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aclark~

SP also has a death for an Elizabeth Templeton , age 1 , 1859 Bridgeton Lanark , mother's maiden name Clark.



ev
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: anne_p on Monday 06 November 17 18:24 GMT (UK)
I have one child born to John Templeton and Janet Lermont in my tree.

Although daughter Margaret( b 1826) was born in Kilmaurs, Ayrshire she married, lived and died in Paisley, Renfrewshire.
Her death cert confirms her parentage.

Meanwhile, Margaret's  own grand daughter married a man who's mother was also a Templeton from Kilmaurs.
His mother was called Helen Templeton ( bc 1831 Kilmaurs) and  as she fits the profiling, I had originally assumed that she too was also the daughter of John and Janet.
However, her death states that Helen was the daughter of John Templeton and Elizabeth Armour. ?
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: dtemplet on Monday 06 November 17 21:58 GMT (UK)
Yes guys. This is my William Templeton. He moved to Yorkshire from Glasgow. I also have an 1841 Census but can't be sure this is the right William.

Address Kilmaurs East Side
Surname      First name(s)      Sex      Age      Occupation         Where Born     
TEMPLETON      John         M      38      Hand Loom Weaver       Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      Janet         F      42                   Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      Elisabeth      F      17                   Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      Margaret      F      15                   Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      William         M      12                   Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      Helen         F      10                   Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      James         M      7                   Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      John         M      5                   Ayrshire       
TEMPLETON      Andrew         M      5m                   Ayrshire   

The age looks OK but there are many other William's born around 1828. I have a DOB of 29 June 1828 but again, not sure if this is for the right William.

Appreciate your feedback.   
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: isobelw on Monday 06 November 17 22:40 GMT (UK)
Freecen have a 16 year old William Templeton living in Kilmarnock in 1841 with a John and Sarah Templeton. He is a carpet weaver.
Isobel
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: isobelw on Monday 06 November 17 22:48 GMT (UK)
Possibly John Templeton and Sarah Allison. Familysearch have a birth of a son Robert to this couple in 1829 in Kilmarnock. This birth would match the Robert shown with them in 1841.
Isobel
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 07 November 17 06:33 GMT (UK)
What is the name of his Father on the marriage records?
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 07 November 17 07:28 GMT (UK)
Freecen have a 16 year old William Templeton living in Kilmarnock in 1841 with a John and Sarah Templeton. He is a carpet weaver.
Isobel

Could be a possible going by the name of the first daughter for William and Elizabeth

Rosie
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: isobelw on Tuesday 07 November 17 09:24 GMT (UK)
He married in 1849 ( before statutory registration) so chances are marriage entry will not contain this information and as he appears to have died in England that is a dead end as well.
Isobel
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 07 November 17 10:03 GMT (UK)
There are  a number of children of John Templeton and Sarah Allison showing on SP (cannot see these in family search). All born Kilmarnock.

William 3 Nov 1824
John 9 Dec 1826
Robert 3 June 1829
Mathew  and David 21 Aug 1831
James 6 March 1840

They seem to be in Glasgow in 1851 18 Eglinton St Tradeston
John 51 Carpet weaver b West Lothian Queensferry
Sarah 50 b Kilmarnock
Robert 21 carpet weaver
Mathew  19 clerk
David 19 bookbinder 
James 11 scholar (b Kilmarnock)

William
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 07 November 17 10:18 GMT (UK)
The family you found Isobel are in the 1851 census at 18,Eglinton Street Glasgow and 1861 at 46 Eglinton Street Glasgow ...A tree on Anc......has the birth for a William Templeton 3/11/1824 parents John Templeton and Sarah Allison ..Death certificates in England don't have the same information as the Scottish ones so makes it even harder ....Just a pity none of the children had middle names  ???

Rosie
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: dtemplet on Wednesday 08 November 17 00:59 GMT (UK)
My records show 1861 Scotland Census
Name: William Templeton
1861 Census
Age: 36 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 
Relationship: Head 
Spouse's name : Elizabeth
Gender: Male 
Where born: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire   
Registration district: Bridgeton 
Civil Parish: Glasgow Calton 
County: Lanarkshire 
Address: 25 East Hope St 
Occupation: Cotton Weaver 

Household Members:
Name          Age
Elizabeth Templeton    40 
Isabella Templeton    6 
Rebecca Templeton    8 
Sarah Templeton       9 
William Templeton       36 
William Templeton       9 Mo
Title: Re: Ayrshire Templeton's
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 08 November 17 08:30 GMT (UK)
The other census records are for John Templeton and Sarah Allison who might have been considered as possible parents for your William .Isabel located this family on the 1841 Census on Freecen  address 18,Grange St Kilmarnock
John Templeton 48 carpet fitter
Sarah Templeton 40 handsewer
William Templeton 16 carpet weaver
John Templeton 14 carpet weaver journeyman
Robt Templeton 12
Mathew and Daniel 9 twins
James Templeton 1

William has posted details of this family on the 1851 Census

1861 Census 46,Eglinton Street Glasgow
J Templeton 60 born Queensferry Edinburgh woollen weaver
Sarah Templeton 60 born Kilmarnock
James Templeton 27 born Kilmarnock bookbinder
Annie Templeton age 5 born Glasgow daughter of James


Rosie