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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: CaroleW on Tuesday 07 November 17 00:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi
My husbands maternal grandmother's birthdate has just been found on the 1939 register - 27.4.1872.
She married James Leonard Thompson in February 1898 as Maggie Gertrude Regan - father Patrick occ farmer (deceased). 1901 entry shows her as Maggie G
1911 - birthplace is Passage West County Cork and she is Margaret
1939 register - Margaret 1957 death - Margaret
My husband says she was O'Regan but dropped the O' when she came to England. There is no proof of this.
The family were Roman Catholic but I cannot match her birthdate to any baptisms online.
Can any baptism be found? If not - is it possible to pay the Irish GRO for a search of birth registrations using the info I have?
FS has a birth entry for a Margaret O Regan in Cork 1872 but no quarter is shown and I don't know whether the O is actually a middle name or a mistranscription
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The "O'" prefix was often dropped.
I was doing a tree for a friend, surname O'Reilly. Her parents and grandparents used the prefix intermittently in various records in Ireland, Scotland and England ;D
www.irishgenealogy.ie, Civil Records is showing 3 Margaret Regan births:
2 June 1873, father Daniel
5 May 1872, father Daniel
13 May 1872, father Patrick, a Labourer (Registration District of Douglas, Cork)
The Catholic baptism registers can be found at:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634969#page/51/mode/1up
But I can't find her in 1872?
You have to browse the images; there is no index ::)
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Hi Carole,
1901, Maggie shows place of birth as Douglas. The one mentioned by KGarrad with Douglas as registration district seems quite possible.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03241/2187638.pdf
Regards
Heywood
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Hi
Thanks for looking
I tried that site last night but nothing in 1872 that matched. Looking at other entries it seemed that the children were baptised quite quickly after birth so I would have expected her to have been baptised in 1872
It doesn’t help that we have no idea whether she had any siblings. She and her husband lived with one of their daughters and her family in Holywell from the 1940’s until their deaths in 1952 and 1957 respectively but none of her Welsh grandchildren recall any mention of any other family in Ireland.
I am stuck when it comes to Southern Ireland resources but am happy to pay for a birth search if it’s possible
EDIT
Just got Heywoods reply as I was posting so will certainly concentrate on that entry as a good possibility
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Some possibilities of siblings on F S - Margaret with birthdate as civil record
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l0n/
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F S shows a baptism for Julia Regan 1868 -Dripsey, Cork.
Dripsey is in Inniscarra Catholic Parish.
Here is a marriage in that parish for Patrick Regan and Margaret Conor 21st May 1865
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634086#page/52/mode/1up
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Here is Margaret’s baptism, I think.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633276#page/14/mode/1up
She is baptised 24th April 1872 with a birthdate 22nd April
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Good find, Heywood! ;D (I had to go out :-\)
The Registration District of Douglas is right next to Passage West!
See map at: https://www.townlands.ie/cork/douglas/
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Sorry was duplicating some info.
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Father's names
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDZ-C71
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WOW!!
Thank you all very much. I have not long got in as a bus ran into my brothers car and I have been sorting insurance etc out for him as he is very shaken but thankfully unhurt
I saw the 1872 entry on the Catholic baptisms site but the date of birth did not tie in with the 1939 register so I dismissed it. I wonder if that could have been an error and it was her baptismal date.
Certainly plenty of info there which I will study later. I will also be contacting my husbands Welsh cousins and picking their brains about the names of siblings.
Quite often having an actual name can be a good memory jogger!!
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The baptism and birth date on the parish register seems very close to the 1939 date.
According to Irish baptismal and civil records, my father was baptised several days before his birth and that is not unusual.
Thankfully your brother is unhurt - but what a nuisance with insurance etc. Carole.
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Sorry Heywood - I re-read your reply just now and had missed that so apologies. My brother is 84 so a bus pulling out of a layby and crashing into him is not what he wants at that age.
I really think that is the right person - it's far too close not to be so thank you very much.
WELL - I got excited when I read Dathai's reply and saw Jeremiah Conner as the father of Margaret Conner
My mother in law was the daughter of Margaret Regan and when she died in 1988 we found the deeds to a Liverpool grave for Jeremiah Regan who died in 1944 aged 68. The grave was purchased by an Alice Sarah Banzer (nee Hughes) and although I researched Jeremiah and the Banzers I could not find a connection to Margaret Regan. There must be one - why else would my mother in law have the deeds to his grave?
I found a baptism on FS for a Jeremiah Regan born August 1875 Cork parents Patrick and Mary nee Connell (not Margaret Conner) but there is an 1876 birth recorded as well
IF - Jeremiah was Margaret's brother it opens possibilities
I need to do some more digging
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That looks promising and the Liverpool death shows birth abt 1876.
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I found a 1911 entry for a Patrick & Mary Regan both aged 60 with a son Jeremiah born 1876 Wick - Cork. However - they have a 22yr old daughter Honora born London
March qtr 1889
Honora Regan Marylebone 1a 550 - mmn was O'Connell
I wonder if he is the baptism I found on FS - born 18.8.1875
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Tracked the 1911 family back to 1881 - indexed as Ryan. Patrick's father in household - also Patrick.
No daughter Margaret so different family
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Per 1939 register. Jeremiah Regan was born 2.8.1877 and was living with the Banzers. Alice Sarah Banzer nee Hughes was born in Dublin per 1911 and I have traced her back to 1891 with her parents
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I have reached the conclusion that there is no biological connection between the Banzers and Jeremiah Regan so am giving up on that angle.
My husband never heard his mother speak of any relative called Jeremiah or Jerry etc. I have spoken to the eldest 2 of his Welsh cousins born 1937 and 1939 and they don't remember his name being mentioned by Margaret or their mother.
I am happy with the findings for Margaret Regan and that her parents were Patrick Regan and Margaret Conner
Finally - very many thanks to Heywood, Dathai, and KGarrad for all your help and efforts