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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: narimine on Tuesday 07 November 17 08:41 GMT (UK)
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Looking for baptism 1751-1752 in Dublin for Richard Molesworth...no accredited or acknowledged connection to the well-known Molesworth family of Dublin as yet. Parents unknown. His Dublin birth is claimed on admittance to Greenwich Hospital in 1810 after a long Naval career. Married Portsmouth 1780 and his family resided in that area from that time.
Many thanks
Serena
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I have just moved your post to Dublin Serena :)
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There is a tree online the implies Richard was the son of Bysshe MOLESWORTH and Elizabeth COLE as shown here LINK (http://www.thepeerage.com/p51493.htm#i514921) however nor substantiating evidence is given.
The tree states this man married Mary LOWANCE on Feb 02 1780 and had several children
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mention on find my past
http://www.findmypast.co.uk
copy of marriage on this site
Greenwich Hospital Pensioners
did he marry a Mary Lowance (Lawrence)
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Thank you to all for your interest. Richard’s life from 1780 including marriage to Mary Lowance is known. It’s his parents and baptism which is unknown but essential to confirm his ancestry.
Appreciate your contribution.
Serena
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Only one I can see is Richard Nassau baptised 1748 son of Lord and Lady Molesworth
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l0t/
You have to view the image to see Lord and Lady on the original.
Records are far from compleat for these early dates.
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I would like to see an outcome for this too. I have spoken to someone who has done the dna test, and demonstrates that Richard should be related to the main Molesworth line. I don't believe Bysse is his father though. Maybe Richard was a nephew of 1st V.Robert Molesworth. Do you have death certificate, or knowledge of where he is buried?
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Thank you for your reply.
Richard died in Greenwich Hospital in 1814 and was buried at St Alphege, Greenwich on 24 October. I have no death certificate.
His youngest son Arthur b. 1798, was enrolled in the Greenwich Naval School when he was first admitted to the Hospital in 1810, since Richard was a widower.
Thank you
Serena
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Can't find a picture of a head stone, but according to http://www.machadoink.com/St%20Alphege%20Church.htm there is a way to look up records, which may or may not give us his parents, or other relatives.
Can't find his burial record, should be at U3-8-1 book 25, page 6-7, but he isn't there. Before 1812, they included the parents names, and then they stopped because the new books didn't ask for it. But he isn't there anyway, unless he is added in an odd spot in one of the other books.
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I think that is a link to St Alphege Canterbury, Richard was buried at Greenwich 24 October 1814 and there is no reference to his parents names, just states he died at Greenwich hospital.
Name: Richard Molesworth
Age: 63
Record Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1814
Burial Date: 24 Oct 1814
Burial Place: St Alphege, Greenwich, Greenwich, England
Register Type: Parish Register
There are multiple naval records for him all stating his birthplace as Dublin.
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Thank you all for your efforts and that confirmation. Seems he has the most elusive parents!
Serena
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The only real clue I can think that will help, at this stage, is extra source documents. Sound easy eh? I have details that suggest that Coote Molesworth kept a family Bible, which had a number of stories and accounts in it. Apparently it was in the possession of Athelstan Riley, Seigneur de la Trinite, Jersey, which has since changed hands. Either the Riley family have taken it with them, or it is still at Trinity Manor, Jersey. I have sent an email, but have not gotten a response. Coote was in the area when Richard was born, I'm hoping it might shed light on the family.
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That’s really interesting. Did not realise Coote was in Dublin at that time. But had been aware that later in life, he was not far from Portsmouth, dying in Chichester. For that reason we looked closely at Coote’s Will for a reference to Richard. The Richard great nephews mentionned were eliminated as being Richard Holmes and Richard Walker.
Hoping for further news.
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Coote seemed to be broke in the 1720-30's, and living with family. He did go to war, as the Doctor. It ounds like he was taking care of Richard 3rd V.'s estates while Richard was in England. Coote was staying with his wife in the Dublin house in 1763 when it burnt to the ground. I'd love to see his will, and find out more about his later life. I wondered if Coote could have been your Richards father too, but he didn't have children at the fire in 1763. I have lots more info too. Slowly gathering more. But I can't find your Richard yet. I have taken photos of the Red book, which I can share. My Gradad wrote the blue Molesworth book, which has lots in it. I've been puttng as much as I can on Wikitree. Trying to get the pieces together.
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Coote’s Will can be found on ancestry.com by entering Prerogative Canterbury Wills. He died 1783 while at Chichester. The Will is not easy to read but the name Holmes was deciphered by the great people at Rootschat. Guess we were just hoping for some positive sign of contact given the relatively close geographical connection of the two.
Really appreciate any input.