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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: gedb2b on Tuesday 07 November 17 12:55 GMT (UK)
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I have two marriage records that appear to be for the same people in the same district but are two years apart.
Charles H G Elphick married Acreman / Delahunt in Tonbridge Q1 1950 Ref 5b page 1645
Charles H G Elphick married Acreman / Delahunt in Tonbridge Q2 1952 Ref 5b page 1673
Then to stretch matters a bit further, on the 1950 record there is also -
George Elphick married Acreman / Delahunt in Tonbridge Q1 1950 Ref 5b page 1645
I have no problems with any of the people on these records and can see that the Charles H G Elphick and George Elphick on the 1950 record are probably the same person, it is just the I am confused with the same names being recorded two years apart and then which is the correct date to use in the tree I am working on - GedB
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Hi
Why not order both marriage certificates?
R
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It looks as if George was married previously and that wife didn't die until 1999? Also the fact that his second wife is recorded under two names also suggests that she may either been married or calling herself another name. Is it possible that it was discovered that the first marriage wasn't legal for some reason and so they had to remarry? I think for curiosity's sake at least you may have to do as Ray suggests and get both certificates.
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I would agree with Ray. ;D
Was he in the forces and did not have 'permission' to marry. Were either of them still legally married when the first marriage took place.
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All very fair points, I cannot see that any information on the second certificate would tell me why they needed to remarry and it also wouldn’t tell me why there are two different transcriptions for the first marriage but that does seem to be the way forward. One further question, I believe that both of them were on their second marriage so if their 1950 marriage was annulled for some reason where would that information be held.
GedB
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it also wouldn’t tell me why there are two different transcriptions for the first marriage
The GRO has indexed the marriage twice in 1950 to take into account both surnames for Kathleen M (Acreman & Delahunt) There will only be one certificate which will probably show her surname as Delahunt formerly Acreman (or similar)
Kathleen M Acreman married Francis J Delahunt in 1942.
ADDED he possibly remarried in 1947
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The marriage has actually been transcribed four times in 1950, twice as you have suggested with Charles H G Elphick & Kathleen Acreman / Delahunt and then twice more under George Elphick & Kathleen Acreman / Delahunt but all have the same reference number so all are linked - GedB
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I think you can ask records of a divorce, but it isn't cheap.
https://www.gov.uk/copy-decree-absolute-final-order
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Thank you for that Groom, it is certainly looking like certificates first then divorce records if I am to take this any further - GedB
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I think you can ask records of a divorce, but it isn't cheap.
https://www.gov.uk/copy-decree-absolute-final-order
The decree absolute/final order will not give details of the circumstances of the divorce it is I believe just a single sheet of paper.
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I was thinking more about finding dates e.g if the divorce wasn't finalised until 1951, the first marriage wouldn't have been legal.
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Certainly a good idea for finding dates etc groom, I just did not want OP think they would get all the gorey details of the breakdown in the marriage ;D ;D
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No I wasn't after the gorey details Rosie99 I was just curious why the marriage was recorded twice and then two years apart, an annulment because of problems with a divorce certainly seems to be the logical answer, I just wondered if there could be anything else.
Francis Delahunt, Kathleen's first husband remarried in 1947 so there does not seem to be a problem with Kathleens divorce, the problem seems to be with Charles Elphick as his first wife did not remarry until 1953 or maybe later, I think that is the direction I need to be heading - GedB
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There is an article in the Lancashire Evening Post, of 1st July 1946, about a Francis Joseph Delahunt, 25, who was fined £10 for dangerous driving and £1 for not having a licence. His address was Manor House Lane, Preston.
Perhaps he was a bit of a wayward character.
David
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Thank you for that David, we knew the family were Preston based and that his parents were living at Manor House Lane around that time so it is really good to be able to pin him down a bit more, I would assume by 1946 he had already parted from his first wife and was ready to head south as he married again in Essex during 1947. You are spot on with the assumption that he may have been a bit of a wayward character, in fact it seemingly ran in the family right back to his serial bigamist great grandfather - GedB