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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: Jane Lucas on Sunday 12 November 17 23:08 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone read this place name please. The clip is from a baptism Register for Mold which says Mary Ellis of ....(http://)
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Gwyssaney - now Gwysanau, I think
added - see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Mold
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You just beat me to it Gadget.lol
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Mold
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Brilliant .. thank you guys. I transcribed it correctly but couldn’t find anything that matched. Didn’t realise it is now spelt differently. I’m pleased to know it is Mold but that matches my search place.
I tried Clwyd list but it seems to be down.
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It was spelt Gwysaney by all and sundry until quite recently, and still is on the map - historic Gwysaney Hall, the ancestral home of the Davies-Cooke family. Your relatives quite posh - or just servants or estate workers?
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Definitely not posh! I thought it was an area not an estate. This is a baptism so perhaps parents worked on it. Mostly they were miners who definitely were not well off. They were still signing with a x well into the mid 1800s and moving around from pillar to post. A few farmers who seemed slightly better off. Most of the ones I claim so far are based in and around Northop and we’re colliers. So Mold is thankfully widening the gene pool... maybe!
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It was originally one of the old townships that comprised Mold, Jane. The Genuki link lists it and also a further bit of info about it here:
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/eglwysi/mold.htm
In 1865, part of the township of Gwysanau went to the new parish of Rhydymwyn.
Clwyd FHS and the person who wrote it up (once a stalwart of Clwyd FHS) seem to have consistently spelled it with the 'au' ending.
Note, in your example the long S is used
Gadget
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Yes.. I was quite proud of recognising the long 's'.. but however I tried I couldn't match it up with anything obvious.. partly because there are so many places that look similar if you allow for changes of spelling. And I'm not familiar with Welsh place names...
But interesting about Gwysanau Hall... Davies is one of the family I am researching in that area... but there are millions of them!
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So... if someone is baptised at Mold..in this case Edward Griffiths, 1804 s/o John Griffiths and Mary Jones of Gwyssaney, I’d start looking for parents marriage in same place . But nearest I can find is Northop .. which I like because that is where Edward Griffith susbsequently lived and died...(well.. at least I know he did from 1841 until death from Census records... not idea of where he was for first 27 years!)
But still there are a lot of other options.. I think I found 16 marriages for Mary Jones and John Griffith/s.. is the ‘s’ significant do you think? And would it be normal for someone to marry in Northop but have children baptised at Mold? I know what is ‘usual’ for Devon and Lancashire, but not Wales. Unfortunately his parents don’t seem to have survived long enough to appear in a Census record.
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Hi Jane,
Gwsaney Hall is just under 2 miles from both Mold and Northop, so I think they would be equally the nearest churches. I don't think there was one then at Sychdyn which is nearer - if so it would be an undistinguished one compared to Mold or Northop.
Sychdyn did have a mine though - it was called the Laurel Colliery (near what is now the Laurels). Quite a bucolic name for a pit, but there was also the Elm Colliery at Alltami nearby.
At least three pits in Mold including Maes-y-dre on the northern edge.
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Hi Chris
Thanks.. that’s really useful.. and interestingly.. it’s great that people here know the local geography. It’s never the same looking at a map... though in fact I hadn’t done that for Gwysaney because I couldn’t identify it. It’s making the Northop marriage look much more likely.
Thanks again
Jane
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No worries, Jane.
I doubt if many people will have heard of Laurel Colliery. Flintshire CC have a record of it being sold in 1928, so gone a long time - but you can't look at that record online. I only remember it because I had a holiday job as a bus conductor in the 70s, and it was the name of a fare stage in the books - but I can't remember anyone getting on or off there!
Anyway the Wikipedia article on Sychdyn implies it never had a church, only chapels. So Northop and Mold are the only possibilities. They are imposing churches and part of a set, the Beaufort churches endowed by Margaret Beaufort, Henry VII's formidable mother.
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‘the Beaufort churches endowed by Margaret Beaufort, Henry VII's formidable mother’... Margaret Beaufort is one of the most remarkable women in history.. I never thought of her in connection with the area..
(Tried adding that in quotes but had to copy and paste.. tapping quotes includes the whole message)