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Edward Johnson (Johonsen) was born in 1834, Norway. His trade it states on his Marriage Transcription in NSW was a carpenter however no mother or father was recorded.
He married Susan Smith on 27 March 1871 in Scone, New South Wales. They had 11 children in 24 years. (Reg: 1871/3454)
He died on 28 August 1918 in Scone, New South Wales, at the age of 84. It was suggested Edward's name/s were altered upon entering the Australia.
Jorgen Battlason >This name was recorded on family history sheets as Edward Johnson's father given to Scone Historical Society by a descendant of Susan Johnson nee Smith (Edward Johnson's wife). However not sure where this information was sourced. I have not been able to locate anyone with that name.
From the 'New South Wales Certificate of Naturalization' he was born in Norway and arrived in Australia in 1861 on board the ship 'Yorkshire' (his age at the time of signing the papers in 1874 was of 34). (Ref No: 73:45)
I would love to find out more about 'Edward Johnson' - his birth and his parents. Why he was born in Norway? I have been told his Edwards parents were apparently Danish.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!
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Edward Johnson (Johonsen) was born in 1834, Norway. His trade it states on his Marriage Transcription in NSW was a carpenter however no mother or father was recorded.
No parents recorded on the registry certificate simply means that the registry records have not been reconciled with the church registers. The C of E marriage register has been indexed by FamilySearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZ8-DML
Mother's names are not indexed so the minister may not have recorded the information.
You should site the register for yourself:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/87179?availability=Family%20History%20Library
State library
http://archival.sl.nsw.gov.au/Details/archive/110346216?_ga=2.50668271.798178699.1510604040-262155425.1506517853
The baptism for daughter Sophia has the surname indexed as JOHNSON or JORGENSEN. JORGENSEN would be correct if his father's name was Jorgen.
Debra :)
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A possibility here, father Jorgen BERTELSEN:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHYM-1ZG
Debra :)
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Norway census is here http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/folketellinger_avansert_e.aspx
I think you will find Jorgen in Vestfold.
Debra :)
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Wow Debra! Thanks so much! I am searching through the Church records on Family Search at this very moment. I had heard about it, but never even dreamed to search records on there. Is it a free site to join do you know?
Jorgen now makes sense.
Thank you too for two more entries! Goodbye Tuesday for me! Luckily it is only 9.14am!
I really do appreciate this. One thing I am surprised about is the fact that when I order a transcription for the Marriage of Edward and Susan it never mentioned Jorgen Battlason and yet, it was written on the record.
Thanks very much! There is a long and happy story about this and when I have time, I will tell you about it!
Karen :-*
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Here is the original birth record for this Edvard. He was born 28 Dec 1836:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061204010086.jpg
Ian
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I was hoping you would pop in for a visit ;D
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Hi
Just a quick visit before bed. Just need to see if this is Edward.
Ian
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Here's Jørgen and Ane's marriage record - first one from 1831:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070502690723.jpg
Ian
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Hello again Ian - Jamcat95. Thank you so much for the Marriage Certificate and the Birth Certificate. I have a question and possible a favour ......I cannot understand what is written on the certificates. I can see the names Edvard and one or two of the Bertelsen but not much else on the certificates. Do you know if there is anywhere I can translate what is written to English. Unfortunately I have no understanding of the Dutch language. I have copied and enlarged as much as possible and still have absolutely no idea of what else is written or even the titles in each column. If you can point me into the direction of someone who could help I would be very appreciative. Thank you, Karen
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You're welcome.
Will do.
Do you have the names of his children. If so can you post them. Thanks..
Ian
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Hello again Ian.
I only have Edvard's (Edvard Jorgen Jorgesen) children in Australia.
Edvard changed his name to Edward Johnson when arriving here in Australia and only found out through this posting that Edward was actually Edvard Jorgen Jorgesen a less than 24 hours ago.
Thank you again! :-)
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Yes.
I'd like the names of Edward Johnson's children please.
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Hi Ian!
Spouse
Susanna Barbara Schmitt 1852–1916
& Children
Peter Johnson 1869–1934
Edward Ted JOHNSON 1872–1943
Sophia Eliza Johnson 1873–1948
Barbara Johnson 1875–1946
Bernard Johnson 1878–1928
Phillip Johnson 1880–1953
Malcolm Donald Johnson 1883–1943
Susan JOHNSON 1885–1949
Christina JOHNSON 1887–1921
Lorena A Johnson 1890–1975
Harold Johnson 1893–1917
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Thanks
I have found this Edward's siblings and there are some similarities with his children. I will post them later tonight after work.
This could well be your Edward and I am still trying to find more evidence.
I have seen many Scandinavian seamen changing their surnames mainly because they had jumped ship and in doing so evading capture. So I believe Edward was a seaman. I have checked the seamen records but they didn't have the earlier years unfortunately. He lived by the sea at Langesund in Telemark.
Ian
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Thank you Ian. Interesting! :-)
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Ian, I was told by the Great Granddaughter of Edward Johnson's (Edvard Jorgen Jorgensen's) that the family considered themselves Danish. So it may be possible that there is a link back to Denmark? I am not sure where to look but I did find this on Ancestry.
Denmark, Select Baptisms, 1618-1923 (in Danish)
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH
NAME: Jorgen Jorgensen
FATHER: Jorgen Bertelsen
I am not a paid up member at this time. I am hoping to renew in the next few weeks so I am not sure if this has any relevance or not? I am guessing there are a lot of Jorgen Bertelsen's?
Thanks again for your help!
Karen
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Here are his siblings:
Sophie Georgine - 9 Oct 1834 Stavern - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070502690643.jpg
Johan Bernhard - 4 Oct 1832 Stavern - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070502690634.jpg
Elisa - 17 Feb 1831 Stavern - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070502690622.jpg
Andrea Laurine - 1 Aug 1841 Langesund - https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061204010097.jpg
Edvard Jorgen - 30 Dec 1836 Langesund
Ian
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Wow! Thank you so much! I can't wait to view them all!
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Here is another copy of Jørgen's marriage record:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070502690334.jpg
"Batchelor Jørgen Bertelsen 26 years
Maid Anne Kristine Johansdatter 26 years
Witnesses: Tyge Olsen and Andreas Brynildsen"
No names of parents unfortunately.
Ian
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Hi
I have tried to find more evidence for this Edvard without much success unfortunately. But I have found more of this family. I'll post it as it may help out.
Sophie Elise - Birth - 21 May 1839 Langesund - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061204010091.jpg
Andrea Laurine - Confirmation - 1855 - Borre - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051027010197.jpg
Sophie Elise and Andreas Eriksen - Marriage - Horten, Vestfold - 1862 - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060914030383.jpg
Sophie Elise - Confirmation - 1854 - Borre - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051027010193.jpg
Sophie Elise - 1865 Census - Horten - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-ft20090727620410.jpg
Sophie Elise - 1875 Census - Horten - http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-ft20101206400772.jpg
Ian
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Thank you so much for looking for these details for me. I was told the family referred to themselves as Danish so perhaps they moved to Norway from Denmark?? I am not sure.
Thank you again Ian for all of this information. It is truly so very helpful.
Kindest regards
Karen