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Title: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 15 November 17 06:02 GMT (UK)
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Name   George Montague Cole
Event Type   Burial
Event Place   Bourke Shire, New South Wales, Australia
Age   57
Birth Year (Estimated)   1828
Death Date   12 Dec 1885
Cemetery   Bourke General Cemetery: Church of England section

The George Montague Cole I am looking for was born Islington, London 28 March 1828. Daughter Gertrude Wynne Cole believed to have been born in South Africa, however she WAS married and divorced in South Africa. Marriage #2 in London.

The above burial record is the ONLY Australian record  of George I can find. Could there be more references to his life in Australia? Other daughter of George is Mae. Possibly born in South Africa
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 15 November 17 06:38 GMT (UK)
This item describes his death and occupation, Seems to be the only one of the name dying that year.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111347639

Sue
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: judb on Wednesday 15 November 17 06:47 GMT (UK)
There are a couple of other threads mentioning the COLE family in UK and South Africa.  Not very useful for this thread re George but may save some searching;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692381.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777736.msg6345671#msg6345671

Judith
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Wednesday 15 November 17 07:15 GMT (UK)
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)  1894
COLE George Montague of Bourke New South Wales journalist died 12 Dec 1885 at the hospital Bourke     Administration London 6 March to Mary Duncan (wife of Andrew Henry Farrell Duncan)  Effects £100

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Wednesday 15 November 17 07:18 GMT (UK)
And from NSW BDM  Usually parents given names are noted if known but in this case the deceased's age and place of death.

7451/1886
COLE George M
Age 57 years   Died Bourke
District Bourke

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: judb on Wednesday 15 November 17 07:21 GMT (UK)
NSW Government Gazette lists him as intestate according to this entry in the NSW Government Gazette, 9 September 1889
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222098623

Judith
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 15 November 17 07:59 GMT (UK)

Your George Montague COLE?

Cornwall Chronicle 5 Feb 1880 p2     (Tasmanian newspaper)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/72351437?
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Wednesday 15 November 17 08:15 GMT (UK)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4765305

The Argus [Melbourne, Victoria] 26 Dec 1848
Cape of Good Hope
From the South Australian Register
The Port Elizabeth Telegraph and Commercial Gazette, a recently started newspaper, pronounced "equal to any in the Eastern District," has Mr. George Montagu Cole for its editor and proprietor.

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 15 November 17 15:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you every one.

from Cando

The Port Elizabeth Telegraph and Commercial Gazette, a recently started newspaper, pronounced "equal to any in the Eastern District," has Mr. George Montagu Cole for its editor and proprietor. From Melbourne Argus, December 26 December 1848.

That means George Montague Cole from Islington, London was 20 years old when he is editor/proprietor. Highly unlikely. He daughter states he a deceased Bank Manger when she marries (for the second time) in 1889.

Back to the drawing board.

I think with all of your help there is good evidence that the George Montagu(e) Cole in South Africa and the one in Australia may not be the same person.
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Wednesday 15 November 17 23:17 GMT (UK)
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)  1894
COLE George Montague of Bourke New South Wales journalist died 12 Dec 1885 at the hospital Bourke     Administration London 6 March to Mary Duncan (wife of Andrew Henry Farrell Duncan)  Effects £100

Cando

Who was Mary DUNCAN?

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29873237
The Advertiser  6 Nov 1931
NEWS has been received in Adelaide of the death in Pretoria of Mr.Andrew Henry Farrell Duncan, a former surveyor-General of Rhodesia. He was a son of Dr. Duncan, who was the first resident medical officer at Port Adelaide.
As a boy he joined the navy and. travelled the world over. After his navy days he took up surveying, and worked in many parts of South Africa. He was a close friend of Dr. Jameson. In later years life settled near Pretoria, where he had many friends. Mr. Duncan proved himself a credit to his native land, and to every country in which he worked.
He was a modest retiring man. Miss Annie J. Duncan, of North Adelaide, is a sister, and the sole survivor of this old pioneer family.

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 15 November 17 23:58 GMT (UK)

From Familysearch images

Andrew Henry Farrell DUNCAN 28, bachelor, retired RN, Lieutenant, married Mary COLE, 27, spinster  after Banns at St John's Church, Wynberg, Capetown on 17th January 1884.

Gerry
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 16 November 17 00:02 GMT (UK)

From Familysearch images.

George Montagu COLE, bachelor, Gentleman, of age, married Matilda Freeland HOGBEN, spinster, minor, at Port Elizabeth on 28th April 1852.

Gerry
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: judb on Thursday 16 November 17 00:40 GMT (UK)
Getting away from George, here's the birth notice for Andrew Henry Farrell DUNCAN, born 31 May 1855 to Handasyde DUNCAN MD and his wife at Port Adelaide.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49303134?
Birth also noted in Australian Birth Index. South Australia Vol 5, p170.  Mother's name given as Ann WILLIAMS

Judith
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Thursday 16 November 17 01:36 GMT (UK)
barryd, who is Mary DUNCAN now established as nee COLE?

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Thursday 16 November 17 02:01 GMT (UK)
The Royal Navy records confirm the birth date of Andrew Henry Farrell Duncan as 31 May 1855.

There are published records of sisters Mae Cole born 1860 and a Gertrude Wynne Cole born 10 August 1862 (where?). I believe that both were born in South Africa but no evidence yet. To anticipate the question where was Gertrude in 1891, 1901 and 1911 (Census) she was in British Guiana with her new husband Bernard Vidal Shaw. She may be on the 1921 Census but not released yet.   

Is Mae and Mary the same ???
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Thursday 16 November 17 03:09 GMT (UK)
So Mary DUNCAN nee COLE is possibly George Montagu COLE's who died in 1885, daughter?  Surely there has to be a connection for her to be noted on his probate papers.

 I think the South Australian birth registration also confirms the same man is her husband ;).

I didn't bother researching any further until you responded. 

From my own resource not an online database.  Andrew was the eldest of four chn from his father's second marriage. Only he and two sisters were living when their mother died in 1861.

Birth registration
DUNCAN Andrew Henry Farrell
31 May 1855
Father Handasyde     Mother Ann WILLIAMS
At Port Adelaide    District Code Ade  5/178

Would be interesting to browse through these papers at the National Library of Australia.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/217098026

I'll leave you to search for further information on TROVE for Handasyde DUNCAN if you are interested.

Cando


Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Thursday 16 November 17 03:14 GMT (UK)
Aussie 1947

Many thanks for the George Montagu Cole Marriage. That gives me the first  proof that George Montagu Cole was actually in South Africa. Daughter Gertrude Wynne was married there, divorced there but no actual proof yet that she was born there. With her parents married there it is reasonable to think she WAS born there.
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 16 November 17 03:33 GMT (UK)
Hi,

http://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/settlerbrowsemarrs.php?name=COLE

Go down until you find George Montagu Cole then open up the record link and goto record 60 for the image.

Gerry
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Thursday 16 November 17 03:38 GMT (UK)
Cando


I am continuing to research both Australia and South Africa. What is bothering me is :

The Port Elizabeth Telegraph and Commercial Gazette, a recently started newspaper, pronounced "equal to any in the Eastern District," has Mr. George Montagu Cole for its editor and proprietor. From Melbourne Argus, December 26 December 1848.

A twenty year old ???

If  everything works out then George Montague was born in England, married in South Africa and died in Australia. 
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 16 November 17 03:43 GMT (UK)
Hi,

On this site under newspapers

http://www.eggsa.org/

Cape and Natal News 1st Nov 1861

Deaths
28th August at Port Elizabeth, Matilda Freeland, beloved wife of Mr G. Montague Cole.

Gerry
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Thursday 16 November 17 03:45 GMT (UK)
The Royal Navy records confirm the birth date of Andrew Henry Farrell Duncan as 31 May 1855.

There are published records of sisters Mae Cole born 1860 and a Gertrude Wynne Cole born 10 August 1862 (where?). I believe that both were born in South Africa but no evidence yet. To anticipate the question where was Gertrude in 1891, 1901 and 1911 (Census) she was in British Guiana with her new husband Bernard Vidal Shaw. She may be on the 1921 Census but not released yet.   

Is Mae and Mary the same ???

She is Mary here  :)

COLE Mary Cole  Born 27 Oct 1856  Baptised 1 Oct 1856
At Port Elizabeth Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Father George Montague  Mother    Matilda Freeland
At St. Mary's Port Elizabeth
Witness 1    Henry Bailey Christian  Witness 2 Mary Christian
Witness 3    Parents
Source - Collection    St. Mary's Port Elizabeth Baptisms

Why couldn't an editor/proprietor of a new newspaper at the age of 20 be possible? 

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: maddys52 on Thursday 16 November 17 06:11 GMT (UK)
Not sure if this is another daughter:

"July 7, at St Cyprian's Church, Kimberley, South Africa, by the Rev Canon Gaul, MA, rector, Douglas, second son of Colin Turing Campbell Esq, retired Auditor General of Griqualand West, to Blanche Ashburnham, youngest daughter of George Montague Cole Esq."

John Bull, Saturday, August 29, 1885, Vol. LXV, Issue 3,380, p.554.
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: maddys52 on Thursday 16 November 17 06:23 GMT (UK)
The Royal Navy records confirm the birth date of Andrew Henry Farrell Duncan as 31 May 1855.

There are published records of sisters Mae Cole born 1860 and a Gertrude Wynne Cole born 10 August 1862 (where?). I believe that both were born in South Africa but no evidence yet. To anticipate the question where was Gertrude in 1891, 1901 and 1911 (Census) she was in British Guiana with her new husband Bernard Vidal Shaw. She may be on the 1921 Census but not released yet.   

Is Mae and Mary the same ???

Mae's marriage in 1883:

"On the 21st June, by the Rev Canon Espin, at Grahamstown, Cape of Good Hope, Herbert Francis, youngest son of Henry Blaine of Knyena Lodge, Surbiton, to Mae, daughter of George Montagu Cole"

The Times, July 26, 1883, Issue 30882, p.1.
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 16 November 17 21:43 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Another child.

From St Mary's Port Elizabeth Baptisns

Henry Christian COLE
Born, 21st April 1853
Baptised, 29th May 1853, St Mary's Port Elizabeth, Cape of Good Hope.
Father, George Montagu
Mother, Matilda Freeland
Witnesses
Christian William HEUGH
Elizabeth SMITH
Henry Warwick COLE

Possibly inherited his middle name, Christian from the witness, Christian William HEUGH

Gerry
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 16 November 17 21:48 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Another child.

From St Mary's Port Elizabeth Baptisns

Ada Gilbert COLE
Born, 21st February 1855
Baptised, 28th March 1855, St Mary's Port Elizabeth, Cape of Good Hope.
Father, George Montagu
Mother, Matilda Freeland
Witnesses
Mother
William GILBERT
Esther GILBERT

Ada's middle name Gilbert came from the Witness's surname.

Gerry
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Friday 17 November 17 04:50 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone for your great help. Gertrude Wynne Cole born 10 August 1862 (1939 Register) seems to have been born 1861. From information given, her mother, George Montague Cole's second wife Matilda Freeland Hogben Cole possibly died after giving birth to Gertrude about three weeks later on 28 August 1861).  And who was Wynne?

Again probably a witness at the christening. Gertrude would have been 77/78 in 1939 with no one or no paperwork to correct her. For George Montague Cole to have married again and had a child within one year seems unlikely.

Was George Montague Cole the one person who was born in Islington, London, lived in South Africa and died in Australia. I would say most likely.

The icing on the cake would be a christening date for Gertrude Wynne Shaw. 
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Friday 17 November 17 08:30 GMT (UK)
Quote
From information given, her mother, George Montague Cole's second wife Matilda Freeland Hogben Cole possibly died after giving birth to Gertrude about three weeks later on 28 August 1861).

Isn't Matilda Freeland HOGBEN George's first wife whom he married in 1852?  He stated he was a bachelor when they married.

Have you searched familysearch.org yourself for Gertrude's birth/baptism?

Do you have any of this....

Probate Calender Index of Wills and Admons.

SHAW Bernard Vidal of 41 Elvaston-place South Kensington Middlesex died 10 Jan 1932 Probate London 5 March to Gertrude Wynne Shaw widow.  Effects £1611 182. 9d

SHAW Gertrude Wynne of 50 Hornton-street Kensington London widow died 8 June 1954 at The Grange Nursing Home Morden Surrey Probate London 30 July to Bernard Vidal Shaw retired office of Colonial Legal Service.  Effects £1851 0s.5d.

FYI
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/22548319
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/8641359


Cando

Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Saturday 18 November 17 01:26 GMT (UK)
My boo boo Cando.

It was George Montague Cole's brother Alfred Whaley Cole who married in England before arriving in South Africa. What an unfortunate marriage. With his background it was remarkable he did so well in South Africa.

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/8th-february-1851/7/in-the-insolvent-court-on-saturday-alfred-whaley-c

The wife was Eliza Hill Whitfield who married Alfred Whaley Cole 8 June 1850, Westminster, London.

Back to Gertrude Wynne Cole. In 1914 Mrs Gertrude Wynne Shaw is with her husband travelling to Demerara, British Guiana. She gives her age as 53 which gives her a birth year of 1861.The year her mother? died.   
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 21 November 17 01:36 GMT (UK)
Gertrude Wynne  Shaw, formerly Dallas, born Cole died 10 June 1954 (English Will), Morden, Surrey, England. Age 93, Free BMD..(cando) That equates to a 1861 birth. I am suggesting that she WAS born 1861 and that HER mother was Matilda Freedland Hogben who probably died post partum 28 August 1861, Port Elizabeth. Although I would like a baptism of Gertrude Wynne Cole but it may be in the grief of the death of Matilda this was overlooked. It seems probable that the widower George Montague Cole re married to Decima Ashburnham (maddy 52) and the youngest daughter of George Montague Cole, Blanche Ashburnham Cole was the daughter of GMC and Decima Ashburnham.  Likewise the last child of Gertrude Wynne Dallas (formerly Cole) was the daughter of Seymour Dallas and his wife Gertrude Wynne Dallas was Blanche Seymour Dallas. Not Shaw as as published on the Internet. No one in their right mind calls their child  after the first husband in this case Seymour Dallas. 


Name   Decima Cole Ashburnham
Event Type   Obituary
Event Date   30 Nov 1872
Event Place   Hastings, Sussex, England, United Kingdom (this is the father's residence not the death place)
Gender   Female
Age   31
Birth Year (Estimated)   1841
Father's Name   George William Ashburnham, Esq.

Should be Decima Ashburnham Cole in the American style but it was published. Thats the main thing.

Actual newspaper states died at the New Rush Diamond Fields,Cape of Good Hope.



























Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: Aussie1947 on Tuesday 21 November 17 02:46 GMT (UK)
Hi,

From Familysearch Images

St Cyprian Church, Kimberley, South Africa.
Marriage, 7th July 1885, after Banns.
Douglas CAMPBELL, 27, bachelor, Attorney at Law, resident of Kimberley.
Blanche Ashburnham COLE, 21, spinster, of Kimberley.

Gerry
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 21 November 17 03:27 GMT (UK)
So George Montague Cole married Decima Ashburnham about 1862/3. Not too long after his first wife's death. Married  second time for about 10 years before Decima's death.

I checked English/Welsh marriages just in case they married in England. Not married there. The question is who is Mary Cole born abt 1857. I cannot find any Mary Cole!
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Tuesday 21 November 17 22:50 GMT (UK)
......
Name   Decima Cole Ashburnham
Event Type   Obituary
Event Date   30 Nov 1872
Event Place   Hastings, Sussex, England, United Kingdom (this is the father's residence not the death place)
Gender   Female
Age   31
Birth Year (Estimated)   1841
Father's Name   George William Ashburnham, Esq.

Should be Decima Ashburnham Cole in the American style but it was published. Thats the main thing.

Actual newspaper states died at the New Rush Diamond Fields,Cape of Good Hope.

British Newspapers

Hastings & St Leonards Herald and Observer and Fashionable Visitors’ List
February 22, 1873, pg 2
Births, Marriages, & Deaths
DEATHS
November 30th, 1872, at New Rush Diamond fields, Cape of Good Hope, Decima COLE, youngest daughter of the late George William ASHBURNHAM, Esq., of Hastings, aged 31 years.


JM
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Tuesday 21 November 17 23:32 GMT (UK)
From the resources of the Bourke & District Historical Society’s Papers presented by its Members: Volume XII, page 303. (citing ‘Western Herald’ as the original source)
1890
27/09/1890
Mr George COLE of Bourke has discovered a cure for piles; no alcohol, take pills made from Burgundy pitch, plus purgatives.


Here’s the actual cutting:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/142659701 Western Herald 27 Sept 1890
We have been requested by Mr S Johnson of Oxley Street to publish for the benefit of the public generally, the receipt for the cure of piles, with which the late Mr George Cole, of this town, effected surprising cures ……. 

JM
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 22 November 17 05:33 GMT (UK)
George Montague Cole, quite an unusual man who traveled around quite a lot.

Burgandy Pitch: A yellowish-brown resinous substance prepared from the exudation of the Norway Spruce.

Is the marriage between George Montague Cole and his second wife published anywhere?
And is there an entry in any of the newspapers giving Gertrude Wynne Cole's birth.
She could be the daughter of Matilda Freeland Hogben or she could be the daughter of Decima.Ashburton.
The day of her birth 10 August seems fixed. Whether she was born 1861 just before Matilda died or 1862 when George Montague Cole may have been remarried to Decima.

Good evidence on Decima's father.
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 22 November 17 06:14 GMT (UK)
cando

Here is Mary Cole

DUNCAN    Andrew Henry Farrell    COLE    Mary    17 Jan 1884      Wynberg, St. John Anglican Marriages 1848-1926

From your own submission:

COLE Mary Cole  Born 27 Oct 1856  Baptised 1 Oct 1856
At Port Elizabeth Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Father George Montague  Mother    Matilda Freeland
At St. Mary's Port Elizabeth

and why did George Montage Cole go to Australia ..... to be with his daughter and son in law. From Find My Past-

Duncan   Andrew Henry Farrell   1855   —   1855   South Australia Births 1842-1928   Port Adelaide, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia   

Bingo


Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 22 November 17 09:30 GMT (UK)

Is the marriage between George Montague Cole and his second wife published anywhere?
And is there an entry in any of the newspapers giving Gertrude Wynne Cole's birth.
She could be the daughter of Matilda Freeland Hogben or she could be the daughter of Decima.Ashburton.


I can't see a marriage notice. There is an obit for Decima's brother (John Woodgate ASHBURNHAM) which has quite a bit of information about her parents George William ASHBURNHAM and his much younger wife Hannah GLAZIER). Although Decima isn't listed amongst George's children, the author of the obit does admit the list is from his memory.  The obit notes that John Woodgate went to South Africa after the death of his parents around 1851.

Obit here if you have access:
Hastings and St Leonards Observer, Saturday, January 5, 1889, Issue 2622, p.3.

I could work out how to attach a copy if you would like.


Decima's birth: March qtr 1842 Hastings (7/364). John Woodgate's birth: March qtr 1840 Hastings (7/340).
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Wednesday 22 November 17 09:57 GMT (UK)
cando

Here is Mary Cole

DUNCAN    Andrew Henry Farrell    COLE    Mary    17 Jan 1884      Wynberg, St. John Anglican Marriages 1848-1926

From your own submission:

COLE Mary Cole  Born 27 Oct 1856  Baptised 1 Oct 1856
At Port Elizabeth Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Father George Montague  Mother    Matilda Freeland
At St. Mary's Port Elizabeth

and why did George Montage Cole go to Australia ..... to be with his daughter and son in law. From Find My Past-

Duncan   Andrew Henry Farrell   1855   —   1855   South Australia Births 1842-1928   Port Adelaide, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia   

Bingo

I am puzzled why you think his dau was in Australia. According to 's Andrew's obituary Andrew  settled and died in South Africa.

 You appear to have missed reply#15

Quote
So Mary DUNCAN nee COLE is possibly George Montagu COLE's who died in 1885, daughter?  Surely there has to be a connection for her to be noted on his probate papers.

 I think the South Australian birth registration also confirms the same man is her husband ;).

I didn't bother researching any further until you responded.

From my own resource not an online database.  Andrew was the eldest of four chn from his father's second marriage. Only he and two sisters were living when their mother died in 1861.

Birth registration
DUNCAN Andrew Henry Farrell
31 May 1855
Father Handasyde     Mother Ann WILLIAMS
At Port Adelaide    District Code Ade  5/178

Would be interesting to browse through these papers at the National Library of Australia.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/217098026

I'll leave you to search for further information on TROVE for Handasyde DUNCAN if you are interested.

Cando

and reply#16
Quote
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29873237
The Advertiser  6 Nov 1931
NEWS has been received in Adelaide of the death in Pretoria of Mr.Andrew Henry Farrell Duncan, a former surveyor-General of Rhodesia. He was a son of Dr. Duncan, who was the first resident medical officer at Port Adelaide.
As a boy he joined the navy and travelled the world over. After his navy days he took up surveying, and worked in many parts of South Africa. He was a close friend of Dr. Jameson. In later years life settled near Pretoria, where he had many friends. Mr. Duncan proved himself a credit to his native land, and to every country in which he worked.
He was a modest retiring man. Miss Annie J. Duncan, of North Adelaide, is a sister, and the sole survivor of this old pioneer family.

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 22 November 17 10:10 GMT (UK)
Decima's family in 1841 - Edith Place, St Mary in the Castle, Hastings

George Ashburnham       M    65    
Hannah Ashburnham       F    35   
Flora Ashburnham       F    15    
George Ashburnham       M    14    
Denny Ashburnham       M    10    
William Ashburnham       M    8    
John Ashburnham       M    1    

HO107/1107/24


George William ASHBURNHAM buried 18 Jan 1851 All Saints, Hastings age 76.
Hannah ASHBURNHAM buried 5 July 1844 All Saints, Hastings age 39.
(from familysearch)
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 22 November 17 10:18 GMT (UK)
Here's the family in 1851 (mistranscribed as ASHBURN, and Decima as "Daina") at St Mary's Terrace, St Mary in the Castle

George P Ashburn    Head    M    24    Hastings
Flora Ashburn            Sister    F    25    Hastings
Denny Ashburn           Brother    M    20    Hastings
John Woodgate Ashburn    Brother    M    11    Hastings
Daina Ashburn           Sister    F    9    Hastings
Sarah Reed        Servant    F    24    Upper Hatherley, Staffordshire

HO107/1635 / 465 pg 53

Denny at least also went to SA - died 7 Oct 1900, probate here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BY-7134?i=1079&cc=2521616
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 22 November 17 10:33 GMT (UK)
Probate record for Decima (mis transcribed as "David").
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BG-Z3Q3?i=121&cc=2521616

I'm having trouble reading the script answering the question "names of children"

Modified to add: I think it says "has one child Blanche Ashburnham Cole (minor).
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Wednesday 22 November 17 20:59 GMT (UK)
Yes difficult to read.  When I first looked at it I thought it was 'her own child Blanche Ashburnham  Cole (Minor) but is as you read it Maddy.  Blanche's marriage record shows she was born 1864.  Good find anyway :)

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Wednesday 22 November 17 23:28 GMT (UK)
Decima's probate papers "In the Intestate Estate of Decima Cole, wife of George Montagu COLE of De Beer's, New Bush"  includes statement from George, her surviving spouse, and he has signed.  He states her DD as 21 November 1872.    So George was in SA in 1872  :) and into 1873  :) when the Admon was being processed.

JM
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Wednesday 22 November 17 23:40 GMT (UK)
wrong thread ........... oops !

JM   :-[  ::)
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Thursday 23 November 17 00:05 GMT (UK)
The letter in the probate file - bit easier to read the right way round.
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Thursday 23 November 17 04:15 GMT (UK)
Looking at every message again we did prove that George Montage Cole was born in England, emigrated to South Africa, died in Australia and why he was in Australia.

We did prove that his daughter Gertrude Wynne Shaw was the last child of his first marriage to Matilda Freeland Hogben.

We did prove that Gertrude Wynne Cole, then Mrs Seymour Dallas then Mrs  Bernard Vidal Shaw was born 10 April 1861 and not 10 April 1862 as published in the 1939 Register.

Thank you everyone wherever you are.

Bazza

 
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Thursday 23 November 17 04:43 GMT (UK)
Perhaps he had left his wife.

Cando
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Thursday 23 November 17 04:58 GMT (UK)
Gertrude Wynne Cole born 10 August 1861 (Port Elizabeth, Cape ?)
Her mother Matilda Freeland Hogben Cole died 28 August 1861 Port Elizabeth, Cape
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: cando on Thursday 23 November 17 06:36 GMT (UK)
Oh you naughty boy Barry.  You have removed the question..."why was he in Australia" from reply#44....and doesn't my response look silly now >:( >:(

Cando.

Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Thursday 23 November 17 06:50 GMT (UK)
Yes,  I read the reply asking that question.  I am not sure why it needed to be edited out, but I cannot fathom why our OP did not note that he modified that post.

JM
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Thursday 23 November 17 06:53 GMT (UK)
Anyway, may I too congratulate Maddy on her great effort. 

JM
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Thursday 23 November 17 06:59 GMT (UK)
And, may I provide a live link to the burial information copy pasted from Family Search in the Opening Post...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB6-1RYX

JM

ADD

Family Search
Name   George Montague Cole
Event Type   Burial
Event Place   Bourke Shire, New South Wales, Australia
Age   57
Birth Year (Estimated)   1828
Death Date   12 Dec 1885
Cemetery   Bourke General Cemetery: Church of England section
.....
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Thursday 23 November 17 22:32 GMT (UK)
Looking at every message again we did prove that George Montage Cole was born in England, emigrated to South Africa, died in Australia and why he was in Australia.

We did prove that his daughter Gertrude Wynne Shaw was the last child of his first marriage to Matilda Freeland Hogben.

We did prove that Gertrude Wynne Cole, then Mrs Seymour Dallas then Mrs  Bernard Vidal Shaw was born 10 April 1861 and not 10 April 1862 as published in the 1939 Register.

Thank you everyone wherever you are.

Bazza

May I please note this reply does not mention that it has been modified in any way.   As I recall, initially it included a question (perhaps rhetorically) wondering about the reasons for George being in Australia.  Then a regular RChatter responded at #45.  Subsequently to #45, this #44 reply was modified removing that question about why George came to Australia. Several further posts later and  it seems to me that #44 has been modified yet again and now reads that the thread shows why George was in Australia.

I will use the R2M button.

Add, DONE,  :) 0935 hours, NSW time 24 Nov 2017.

JM

Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: barryd on Sunday 26 May 19 02:18 BST (UK)
I was looking again at one of the most remarkable answers to any post on RootsChat.

Poor Barry is not guilty of the charge of removing any post on Roots Chat on the grounds that he does not know how to remove one. Many thanks for all of your help.

Barry D. 
Title: Re: George Montague Cole died in Australia - and that is it !
Post by: majm on Sunday 26 May 19 03:43 BST (UK)
I was looking again at one of the most remarkable answers to any post on RootsChat.

Poor Barry is not guilty of the charge of removing any post on Roots Chat on the grounds that he does not know how to remove one. Many thanks for all of your help.

Barry D.

Hi there,

No one accused Barry of removing any post.  I do note though that the mentions were of posts being modified without any notation noting that there had been any modification.   

JM