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Title: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 16 November 17 11:02 GMT (UK)
I just can't get my head around "phonetically similar" versus "similar sounding" variations of a surname.

Can anyone explain simply what the difference is please?

Thank you
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 16 November 17 11:05 GMT (UK)
Must say I've wondered that myself. I can only assume that it includes names that are variations on the spelling of the name as well as names that sound similar.
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 16 November 17 14:10 GMT (UK)
"Phonetically Similar Variations" uses a metaphone algorithm.
"Similar Sounding Variations" uses a soundex algorithm.

See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 16 November 17 14:44 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone explain simply

That's even more complicated  :-\

Perhaps an example would help me differentiate.

Say the name Smith can sound like Piff would that be a soundex algorithm?

What would Smith be under the other option?
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: josey on Thursday 16 November 17 14:58 GMT (UK)
What would Smith be under the other option?
Smythe?
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: Melbell on Thursday 16 November 17 14:59 GMT (UK)
I too am confused.  I think GRO could come up with something simpler for ordinary customers.  I try one variation for the surname, and then perhaps the other one for the first name, get nothing, or names which seem to me nothing like the 'original' search name.....then I forget which option I've already done, get even more confused, repeat my search without meaning to, etc. etc.!!!

I'm glad it's not just me.

Melbell  ::)
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 16 November 17 15:10 GMT (UK)
Soundex algorithms convert all words to a letter plus 3 digits ;D
So, Smith becomes S530 (5 represents M or N; 3 represents D or T; vowels and H are disregarded).

Both Soundex and Metaphone are intended for computer programs.

For example, we can easily distinguish between Smith, Smyth and Sinnott - but a computer doesn't see similarities (because it uses exact matching). Replacing the names by a code makes things easier (for the computer program!) but far from perfect. Smith, Smyth and Sinnott all have a Soundex code of S530.

Metaphone was developed to try to improve on this - but it is necessarily complicated!


I always use the Sounds Similar Variation on the GRO site.
I only use Phonetic Variations if I can't find what I want.

I also try not to mix-and-match!
I would rather search on a blank forename, and select from the results found.
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 16 November 17 15:15 GMT (UK)
I wish I hadn't asked  ;D 

but thank you  :-*
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: josey on Thursday 16 November 17 15:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the explanation, KGarrad, I like knowing how things work.
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 16 November 17 15:40 GMT (UK)
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vowels and H are disregarded
So if I'm searching for the name Hoe I won't get any matches.
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 16 November 17 15:45 GMT (UK)
The Wikipedia link I posted explains how it works! :-\

The initial letter is retained.

I would explain exactly how it works, but I am sure you are capable of reading the link for yourself?
Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: jc26red on Thursday 16 November 17 18:29 GMT (UK)
I didn't know but all I can say is I have more success with "sounds similar..."

Title: Re: GRO online search term clarification
Post by: bugbear on Thursday 30 November 17 17:12 GMT (UK)
"Phonetically Similar Variations" uses a metaphone algorithm.
"Similar Sounding Variations" uses a soundex algorithm.

See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex
Thank you.

 BugBear