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Title: John Silvester
Post by: William (Bill) Zebedee on Friday 17 November 17 17:23 GMT (UK)
Good day.  First time posting, so hope doing it correctly.

I am at a lose for my 4th Great Grandfather, John Silvester (Sylvester, Sylvestor, Silvestor).

I have a birth certificate for my 3rd Great Grandfather, John Charles Zebedee, born 1824 in Damerham, Wiltshire, England.  On that John's mother is listed as Mary Zebedee (born in Cranbourne, Somerset, England).  I know most things about Mary, except her death date and where she died.  It's John Charles' father I'm at a lose for.

All I know is his name, again, John Silvester with all those possible spellings.  He was born circa 1795 in Heathfield, Uckfield North, Sussex, England (though it shows as Surrey in a few documents).  That's about the extent of what I know.

My Aunt, who had previously done research, received information that John Silvester was a dentist, married (no idea who to) and had an affair with Mary Zebedee, resulting in John Charles.

There is a list in the Bastardry Register for John Charles, which confirms the information on the Birth Certificate.

Anyone out there offer any suggestions?  Or, anyone already know about John Silvester and can share their information with me?

Appreciate any help you can provide.

Bill Zebedee
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
Canada
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 17 November 17 17:54 GMT (UK)
Hi

Welcome to rootschat

I assume that this is John & his mother Mary in 1851
Shaftesbury Street, Fordingbridge, Hampshire
Mary Zebedee -unmarried age 54 born Cranborne, Dorset
John Zebedee age 26 bn Damerham, Wiltshire
H0107/1667 f548 p52
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 17 November 17 17:56 GMT (UK)
What do you mean by birth certificate - these were not issued until 1837.  Is it his baptism record
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: William (Bill) Zebedee on Friday 17 November 17 17:57 GMT (UK)
Yep, that is them.  I was able to find them on census--even with the transcription error of Lebedee (which I actually understand)

Hi

Welcome to rootschat

I assume that this is John & his mother Mary in 1851
Shaftesbury Street, Fordingbridge, Hampshire
Mary Zebedee -unmarried age 54 born Cranborne, Dorset
John Zebedee age 26 bn Damerham, Wiltshire
H0107/1667 f548 p52
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: William (Bill) Zebedee on Friday 17 November 17 17:58 GMT (UK)
sorry, yes, you're right (silly me)

What do you mean by birth certificate - these were not issued until 1837.  Is it his baptism record
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 18 November 17 09:34 GMT (UK)
Just posting info I can see for either of them in case anyone else is trying to help  :)

Mary Zebedee
Baptism date   16 April 1797
Cranborne, DORSET
Parents William & Rebecca

1841 has John living Cranborne, Dorset age 15 not born in County
HO107 /287 bk11 f10 p14
......

Could you please give the exact wording for the bastardy order and the baptism entry

Thanks, Rosie
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: Zebedee_Canada on Saturday 18 November 17 19:23 GMT (UK)
Yes, will locate and let you know.  As for the 1841 Census; I recently say that one.  I was very interested this census because of who the neighbour was.  Rebecca Zebedee would have been John's grandmother

Just posting info I can see for either of them in case anyone else is trying to help  :)

Mary Zebedee
Baptism date   16 April 1797
Cranborne, DORSET
Parents William & Rebecca

1841 has John living Cranborne, Dorset age 15 not born in County
HO107 /287 bk11 f10 p14
......

Could you please give the exact wording for the bastardy order and the baptism entry

Thanks, Rosie
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: Zebedee_Canada on Monday 20 November 17 14:03 GMT (UK)
This is the section of the baptismal record I was given decades ago.  Now that I relook at it, wondering if it's actually for my fella or not.  Ah, the joys of research, eh.

Can't find copy of Bastardy record, but note I have is "from National Archives Bastardy Order [no ref.] 06.08.1833"

Just posting info I can see for either of them in case anyone else is trying to help  :)

Mary Zebedee
Baptism date   16 April 1797
Cranborne, DORSET
Parents William & Rebecca

1841 has John living Cranborne, Dorset age 15 not born in County
HO107 /287 bk11 f10 p14
......

Could you please give the exact wording for the bastardy order and the baptism entry

Thanks, Rosie
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 20 November 17 14:52 GMT (UK)
I think there is a very good possibility that the baptism is correct.  I wonder if John was missing as there is no occupation listed for him  :-\

John Zebedee was born in Damerham which is in Hampshire.  His mother born in Cranborne, Dorset. Both very close to each other.

I wonder where your aunt found the information that his father John was a dentist from Sussex  ???
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: Zebedee_Canada on Monday 20 November 17 15:06 GMT (UK)
No sooner do I say I can't find the Bastardy Record then it shows up.  Here it is

Mother's Name: Zebedee Mary, St. George's Parish, Grosvenor Square,London
Father's Name etc: John Silvester, Heathfield Park, Nr. Uckfield, Sussex servingman. Male child born at Damerham on 20 February 1824

As for the dentist reference, no idea.  I vaguely remember (about 2 decades ago) she mentioned she spoke with a researcher in England who found that out.  She is trying to find that letter so I can figure things out

I think there is a very good possibility that the baptism is correct.  I wonder if John was missing as there is no occupation listed for him  :-\

John Zebedee was born in Damerham which is in Hampshire.  His mother born in Cranborne, Dorset. Both very close to each other.

I wonder where your aunt found the information that his father John was a dentist from Sussex  ???
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 20 November 17 15:16 GMT (UK)

Mother's Name: Zebedee Mary, St. George's Parish, Grosvenor Square,London
Father's Name etc: John Silvester, Heathfield Park, Nr. Uckfield, Sussex servingman. Male child born at Damerham on 20 February 1824


Brilliant thank you - it gives us a bit more to go on

Link to the entry
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/4f81da9b-c20c-4859-91f3-bfeb4a173fb6
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 21 November 17 11:32 GMT (UK)
There is a bit on the history of Heathfield Park here
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1000203

As John Silvester appears to have been a servant there c1833 I doubt that there will be any information on him.  Do you have a copy of the bastardy order, I wondered if any more information was given on it.
Title: Re: John Silvester
Post by: Zebedee_Canada on Tuesday 21 November 17 13:13 GMT (UK)
Sadly there is no further information on the Order.  I will just endure the frustration and continue looking.  Thanks for the assist

There is a bit on the history of Heathfield Park here
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1000203

As John Silvester appears to have been a servant there c1833 I doubt that there will be any information on him.  Do you have a copy of the bastardy order, I wondered if any more information was given on it.