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Title: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Sunday 19 November 17 09:57 GMT (UK)
Can anyone tell me where The White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area is or was located ?

Many thanks in advance
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: Dannemois on Sunday 19 November 17 10:56 GMT (UK)
The only White Cross with a chapel I know is at Groeswen, Caerphilly.
 
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 19 November 17 11:39 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Dannemois on Sunday 19 November 17 10:56 GMT (UK)
The only White Cross with a chapel I know is at Groeswen, Caerphilly.

I've done lots of searches and that is the only one that I can find - either on Genuki or more general searches.

Added link http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Eglwysilan/GroesWen

and http://www.visitwales.com/attraction-search/attraction-search-results/attraction-search-details?id=1843429&latitude=1&longitude=1
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 19 November 17 12:58 GMT (UK)
Another link to Chapels and Churches in the Pontypridd area:

http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/rhondda/pontypridd/index.html

Groeswen is more or less half way between Pontypridd and Caerphilly.
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Sunday 19 November 17 14:19 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your help.

I have a marriage certificate from the 20th February 1851. Both parties live in Trallwm andare both from Ponty.
I assumed they would be married somewhere in Ponty area. The marriage was solemnized at The White cross chapel in the district of Cardiff ( Ponty registration didn't begin till 1863) .
Well Groeswen in the language of heaven means White Cross in English,  so it could well be right.

So is Groeswen chapel of the Independent denomination ??

Regards and thanks in advance.
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 19 November 17 15:40 GMT (UK)
Groeswen chapel is listed as Congregational and I believe that the Independents did become Congregational - mine were all Methodists or C of England* (inWales) :)

http://www.welshchapels.org/nonconformity/independents/

*or Scottish Presbyterian
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: heddwch on Sunday 19 November 17 17:00 GMT (UK)
Hi. There has never been a church of this name in Pontypridd.     Heddwch
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 November 17 18:21 GMT (UK)
Does this help?

http://daibach-welldigger.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/the-westminster-abbey-of-wales-1.html#!/2016/06/the-westminster-abbey-of-wales-1.html

Deirdre
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: Raybistre on Sunday 19 November 17 19:57 GMT (UK)
Hi,
You need to look in the following book:

The Religious Census of 1851: South Wales v. 1
A Calendar of the Returns Relating to Wales
Editor(s): David Williams

I don't have a copy to hand, maybe someone else does or maybe available through your library.

Ray
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: iolaus on Monday 20 November 17 07:43 GMT (UK)
Trallwn is less than 5 miles from Groeswen
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 20 November 17 08:52 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone. I will try and find where Groeswen chapel records  are kept. I suppose  GFHS would be a good start.
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 20 November 17 11:24 GMT (UK)
Not the records but I found this:

http://calmview.cardiff.gov.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=D163%2f28&pos=2

Quote
Coppage family and business papers: 'A Concise History of Groeswen Independent Church' by Frances W. Williams, Caerphilly Girls' Grammar School. Local history essay competition

I presume you've checked RG4-8 on FamilySearch

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1666142?collectionNameFilter=true


Gadget
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 20 November 17 12:36 GMT (UK)
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3072043/3072046/15/groeswen

Mentioned on this page, under Aberdare section. 4 row from left.
Title: Re: White Cross Chapel (Independents) Pontypridd area Where is it or where was it ?
Post by: mlrsuperstar on Monday 20 November 17 12:50 GMT (UK)
Many many thanks to you all for your help. It was very kind of you to go to such efforts. I am grateful  to you.
Mlr.