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Title: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Monday 20 November 17 14:32 GMT (UK)
Hi, Once again I need some help. I have found a family link and wondered if anyone can put the family together. Have a Cartwright [Mary ELLEN] neice found with George b1850 and Kate Weaver & daughter Maud in Stoke census 1891. Am trying to connect Hannah Cartwright nee Weaver 1855 Ipstones with George but currently to no avail. Hannah quotes father as Joseph on her marriage cert. but they did not always tell the truth. Can you link Hannah and George and provide/confirm parents names. Many thanks Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 20 November 17 15:07 GMT (UK)
For anyone else who, like me, has had trouble locating the 1891 entry -

RG12/2170 folio 25 page 44 - 52 Havelock Street, Stoke on Trent - transcribed as Wewer!!
George Weaver - 41 - Carpenter
Kate - 42
Maud - 17
Ellen Cartwright - 15   plus 3 boarders

Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 20 November 17 15:23 GMT (UK)
1881 Census - RG11/2722 folio 9, page 12 - 48 Clyde Street, Stoke on Trent
George Weaver - 31 - Railway Break Fitter
Kate - 32
Edward - 7 - adopted son

Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: wrjones on Monday 20 November 17 15:34 GMT (UK)
The only Cartwright/Weaver marriage showing on Staffordshire BMD 1854-1875 is of a William Cartwight to a Hannah Weaver at Stoke St Peter in 1875.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 20 November 17 15:38 GMT (UK)
1901 Census - RG13/2604 folio 21, page 34 - 30 Havelock Street, Stoke on Trent
George Weaver - 51 - Carpenter
Kate - 52
Maud - 27

Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: wrjones on Monday 20 November 17 15:45 GMT (UK)
Unlike the many other Cartwrights in the Stoke area,the 1881 Census shows William to have been born in Manchester in c 1848.Other children showing are William born c 1878 and Emily born c 1880.They are living in Fenton.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 20 November 17 16:09 GMT (UK)
Just as a matter of interest, have you actually found a marriage between George Weaver and Kate ??

Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: chempat on Monday 20 November 17 16:15 GMT (UK)
You have put:

'Hannah Cartwright nee Weaver 1855 Ipstones'

have you found her birth and then looked for possible marriage for her parents, and her in 1861 and 1871 censuses.

Hannah Weaver born 1855 Cheadle has mmn Lockett.

These 3 people show up on the same search:
Marriages December quarter 1844
Caroline Lockett     Leek      
 George Lockett        Leek   
George Weaver        Leek   
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: chempat on Monday 20 November 17 16:29 GMT (UK)
Has anyone found Maud in 1881, or her birth?
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: emeltom on Monday 20 November 17 16:42 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage for George and Kate

George Weaver of Stoke on Trent and Kate Llewellyn of Chebsey

Took place at Chebsey 30 July 1871

Emeltom
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: emeltom on Monday 20 November 17 16:45 GMT (UK)
Birth reg for George Weaver

George Weaver Sep 1851 Cheadle 17 45 mmn Lockitt

Emeltom
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Monday 20 November 17 16:52 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
All entries are true up to now.
New info - Edward - 7 - adopted son, will try and trace...
New info regarding Lockett. Not sure how relevant yet.
cannot find birth of Maud. Could Maud be a middle name?
Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 20 November 17 17:04 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
All entries are true up to now.
Mel C

So all the efforts were a waste because you already held them?
Please read the posting guidelines re providing already-known records.
Pauline
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: wrjones on Monday 20 November 17 17:07 GMT (UK)
Whether or not the entries are true,I'm not finding a Weaver/Lockett marriage anywhere.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 20 November 17 17:10 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage for George and Kate

George Weaver of Stoke on Trent and Kate Llewellyn of Chebsey

Took place at Chebsey 30 July 1871

Emeltom

How very strange - Banns were read, and a Licence obtained. 
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: chempat on Monday 20 November 17 18:14 GMT (UK)
Connection?

George Weaver Sep 1851 Cheadle 17 45 mmn Lockitt

Hannah Weaver born 1855 Cheadle has mmn Lockett.

Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Monday 20 November 17 18:45 GMT (UK)
Hi all, Don't get upset as you have confirmed details already posted on the initial request.
I am really interested as to where 'chempat' found the info on mmn Lockett/Lockitt, and are there any more children and details of this 'marriage'.
Thanks again,
Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: emeltom on Monday 20 November 17 18:49 GMT (UK)
So to sum up

George Weaver and Hannah Weaver both have mmn Lockett

George Weaver married Caroline Lockett in 1844 so presumably they are the parents of George and Hannah.

Hannah Weaver married William Cartwright in 1875 and had a daughter Mary Ellen who is to be found with Uncle George and Auntie Kate in the 1891 Census. George married Kate Llewellyn in 1871.

Therefore the link has been found between Hannah Cartwright nee Weaver and George Weaver which is what we were asked to do.

Emeltom

The GRO site will give the mmn for births. You will have to register to use it but it's free.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Monday 20 November 17 19:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Emeltom, summed up to a tee. Many thanks to all who replied, sorry to have upset some. Now to try and find who 'Joseph Weaver' father from marriage cert might be?
And now off to try and trace more details of 'George Weaver married Caroline Lockett in 1844'
Thanks again to you all - GREAT JOB!!!
Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Monday 20 November 17 19:26 GMT (UK)
Hi, Update:
Sorry but - Caroline married Thompson not WEAVER
LOCKETT   Caroline   THOMPSON   James   Leek, St Edwards 1844
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: chempat on Monday 20 November 17 20:34 GMT (UK)
Possible siblings, some probably died, but try and find the family in 1861 or 1871?

Anna Weaver  mmn Lockitt     
GRO Reference: 1853  March Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 210
   
George Weaver mmn Lockitt
GRO Reference: 1851  September  Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 17  Page 45

Anne Eliza Weaver  mmn Lockett   
GRO Reference: 1856  December Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 208

Hannah Weaver mmn Lockett    
GRO Reference: 1855  March Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 219

Sarah Weaver mmn Lockett    
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 256

Thomas Weaver mmn Lockett
GRO Reference: 1861  March Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 252

Mary Ann weaver mmn Lockett
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 257

Ellen Weaver mmn Lockett
GRO Reference: 1870  December Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 287

Emily Jane Weaver mmn Lockett
GRO Reference: 1868  March Quarter in CHEADLE  Volume 06B  Page 281
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: emeltom on Monday 20 November 17 20:48 GMT (UK)
Belive me, I've tried. How did they manage to avoid so many Censuses?

Emeltom
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Monday 20 November 17 23:23 GMT (UK)
Hi All, completely at a loss as to where Weaver-Lockett are!! Unable to find anywhere, as for the marriage it does not appear anywhere..... next step anyone????
Cheers Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 21 November 17 07:01 GMT (UK)
One of the birth certificates for names of parents.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Tuesday 21 November 17 13:27 GMT (UK)
Hi All, Many thanks for the info on https://www.gro.gov.uk excellent place to find mothers maiden name. Now can anyone find the marriage between Weaver & Lockett?? Please. Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 21 November 17 13:30 GMT (UK)
i'm sure that people would be happy to help once you have told us the full names to look for (from birth certificate(s) .

more than one person has already indicated that they cannot locate the marriage, so it may be a widow re-marrying or some other scenario.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: emeltom on Tuesday 21 November 17 15:06 GMT (UK)
I've just been looking at the list of Weaver children born Cheadle with mmn Lockett and after some rooting have found the following Census entries. Do the children and their birth years sound familiar?

1861 RG9/1951/F85/p9
Kingsley, Cheadle Staffordshire
Samuel Wheawall
Sarah Wheawall wife
Jane Weawall born 1850
George Wheawall born 1852
Hannah Wheawall born 1855
Anna E Wheaall born 1857
Sarah Wheawall born 1860
Thomas Wheawall born 1861

1871 RG10/2887/F87/p12
Kingsley, Cheadle
Samuel Wheawall
Sarah Wheawall
George Wheawall born 1850
Sarah Wheawall born 1860
Thomas Wheawall born 1861
Dorothy Wheawall born 1864 (reg as Wheawall mmn Lockett)
Mary A Wheawall born 1866
Emily J Wheawall born 1868
Ellen Wheawall born 1871

Marriage
Samuel Wheawall/Sarah Lockett mar 1848 Cheadle 17 65

If the surname is Wheawall why were the chidren registered as Weaver? I have looked on the GRO site and with the exception of Dorothy there are no children registered Wheawall with mmn Lockett and none with any other mmn which fit the children mentioned in the Censuses.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to explain this.

Emeltom
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: emeltom on Tuesday 21 November 17 15:35 GMT (UK)
Further to my last post i have found baptisms in Kingsley for George, Hannah, Anne Eliza and Sarah, all under the name Wheawall, but more interestingly Mary A and Dorothy are entered in the register as Wheawall or Weaver.

Emeltom
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Tuesday 21 November 17 18:06 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Would this be the marriage?
1848
WHEAWALL   Samuel   LOCKETT   Sarah   Kingsley, St Werburgh   Newcastle-Under-Lyme

WHEAWALL    Samuel        Cheadle    17   65

This connects the names....but why change surname to Weaver?
Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 21 November 17 18:17 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Would this be the marriage?
1848
WHEAWALL   Samuel   LOCKETT   Sarah   Kingsley, St Werburgh   Newcastle-Under-Lyme


That looks to be the one as suggested at reply #26
Only you can decide , given all the evidence presented if it is the "right" marriage.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Tuesday 21 November 17 18:22 GMT (UK)
Hi PaulineJ,
serves me right for not reading emeltom's post fully. Apologies...
from 1861 census as emeltom's post with additional person:
James Locket   Brother In Law   M   17   Kingsley, Staffordshire
Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Wednesday 22 November 17 12:27 GMT (UK)
Hello, A huge thanks to all who have read & replied to my post. Once again they have gone above and beyond to help someone, namely me, locate family ancestors. Through asking the question I have found another site to assist [www.gro.gov.uk], but more importantly information to help me move forward with family research. My Weaver, Wheawall, Weavell, Locket, Lockitt and Lockett ancestors can now be researched further and added to the family tree. Many thanks to one and all for your time and investigations, regards, Mel C
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: chempat on Wednesday 22 November 17 21:09 GMT (UK)
Samuel Wheawall/Sarah Lockett are in lots of trees on Ancestry, and possibly a new spelling/name - Whywall.
Title: Re: cartwright - weaver
Post by: MJC164EY on Sunday 27 January 19 09:50 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
Finally found correct family in Caverswall, Staffs.
Joseph Wheawall m Ellen Carr 1843 Dilhorne.
Surname changed to Weaver [no idea why!!] around 1850's.
Thanks to All.
Cheers,
Mel C