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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: brigidmac on Tuesday 21 November 17 00:37 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help find when James Yates married Mary ...and her maiden name
And when they died
He is listed as from Chester Cheshire.
He is on census as mariner aged 50 in 1841
with wife Mary aged 45
And children James .15
Jane 20
Margaret age 10 my ancestor
Ellen
Sarah age 5
Parish of St Oswald's great brought on
By 1851 he is a master mariner same parish
I've found a possible baptism with parents Uriah Yates and Sarah on Ancestry but no death
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My 2nd great grandmother Margaret married George Smith in 1850 in liverpool
And lived in Birkenhead. Til her death in 1877
But I don't know where her parents James and Mary Yates lived or died after 1851
I haven't found her siblings James and Jane either
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There is a Chelsea pensioner record for James Yates age 40 in 1831
it's on Fold so I can't see original
Were sailors included in Chelsea pensioner records ?
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Hi brigidmac, this could be James and Mary's marriage, Cheadle is very close to St Oswald's .
James Yates m Mary Pegg. 04 Oct 1812 Cheadle, Cheshire.
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2 possible deaths for Mary and James...
Mary Yates. 1859 D Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 185
and James
James Yates. 1875 J Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 210
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Jane Yates. baptism, 26 Mar 1820, St Oswald, Chester. father James, mother Mary.
James Yates. baptism, 19 Nov 1822, St Oswald, Chester. father James, mother Mary.
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Thanks so much solid rock
I had 1875 as death date for James Yates from a relatives tree but couldn't find a record .
Or the correct James in 1861 or 1871 census
Where did you find those baptisms ?
I.ll look into the Congleton death possibilities.
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Baptism's on FamilySearch.
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... Were sailors included in Chelsea pensioner records ?
No - Chelsea pensions were for the Army. Royal Naval pensions were through Greenwich but even then I suspect a Master Mariner would be nothing to do with the Royal Navy.
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Thanks Adrian and solidrock
It looks like the Congleton death s are a different family connected to Uriah Yates and Sarah Oates
They seem to be a family of shoemakers based in Smallwood Astbury Cheshire
I got interested that Jabez Yates had a father in law called James Yates of the right age but he turned out to also be from Smallwood a labourer age 59 in 1851 with wife Fanny and daughter Sarah age 20
so my St. Oswald Yates family are still a mystery except for Margaret my great great grandmother.
If The 1812 marriage to Mary Pegg is correct I wonder why the first child isn't until 1820
Some trees on Ancestry have mother's name as Mary Ellen Watermann no sources
Others have Mary Ann Glazbrook but that is a mistranscription from 1851 census she seems to be his neighbour
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I'm looking at criminal records ..of James Yates to see if I could find a likely candidate
...i.ve found one in 1816 for larceny ....in the acquittal column it says "no bills"
It's at Lancashire courts and no information about age or origin of the criminals ..
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Surprise .
There is a Mary Yates born to a James and Mary Yeates ..in june1812
And a liverpool marriage for Mary Yates to Richard golden Glazebrook various spellings
Then a Mary Glazebrook age 40 in 1851 b St. Oswald's living in Grange lane Birkenhead
Married to Richard Glazebrook bookmaker .
he must be a brother to the gentleman John Glazbrook +( wife Mary Ann )
neighbours to the Yates family' in 1851
The Birkenhead address links with sister Margaret
But still no sign of James and Mary after 1851
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Hi, a possibility that James was dead by 1861.
I found a Mary Yates, age 70, b. Chester, widow, as a visitor in 1861 at Trallwng Ollen & Tyddan Prydd, Montgomeryshire, Wales. Head of household was Robert Baker, his wife was Ellen age 29 b. Chester.
There is a possible marriage in Liverpool in 1853 Dec Qtr of Robert Baker to Ellen Yates, ref. 8b 418 on FreeBMD.
Ray
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Hi again,
A James Yates died in Liverpool in 1858, age 68. GRO gives Jun Qtr ref 8b 104.
Ray
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Thanks Ray that all makes sense
I.ll check up on those possibilities
They all have such common names
Ive also found a possible birth for james yates in 1870 to Lucy Yates
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Have you got these other children?
Elizabeth Yates. baptised 14 Mar 1814, St Oswald, Chester. father James, mother Mary.
Maria Yates. baptised 31 Oct 1817, St Oswald, Chester. father James, mother Mary.
I'm thinking that Maria maybe Mariah Smith married to John on the 1841 but I can't find a marriage yet.
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Solid rock thanks no I hadn't come across those girls ..as.they weren't in the 1841 census
Rays find in Wales looks very hopeful with Baker children named after James and Mary
I wonder how Ellen YATES met a Robert BAKERcanal operator from Wales !
there is a visitor from Chester on the Wales 1871 census aged 18
Martha ADAMS
She could be a neice of Ellen so a clue to another sisters marriage
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My great grandmother spelt her name Mariah
She was the grand daughter of Mary
Daughter of Margaret Yates and George Smith
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There's a Mary Ellen Smith. baptised 14 Mar 1841, St Oswald, Chester. father John, mother Maria.
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Maybe the right John & Maria Smith plus children in Renshaw St, Liverpool in 1851.
Is John Smith related to your George Smith? Could be a possibility.
Ray
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Possible death for Mary Yates
YATES, MARY age 79
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 283
Ray
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Had a thought that as James & Mary seem to have been born and lived in Chester, maybe they were buried there too!
Overleigh Cemetery, Chester, Grave no R5061 has the following burials:
Surname Forename Age Date of Death Date of Burial
Bowden Sarah 39 y 11/05/1873 15/05/1873
Parry Henry Greening 25 y 10/03/1876 13/03/1876
Yates James 70 y 15/04/1858 19/04/1858
Yates Mary 79 y 23/07/1870 27/07/1870
Seem to tally with the death cert refs I suggested. James was a mariner.
Go to http://archivedatabases.cheshire.gov.uk/cms/LacOverleighCemetery/home.aspx for the Overleigh database.
Ray
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Wow Ray you are a super sleuth
Meanwhile I looked for connections between John Smith b 1812 Liverpool who married Maria Yates
He was a bookkeeper and timber merchant
My George b 1826 was a poulterer he had no siblings called John
But I did find out that his birth in Great Boughton was also at Oswald's. And I realised he was there in 1841 before marrying Margaret in 1850
From 1852 they lived in Birkenhead and had 8 girls and 1 boy
This family has a lot of females
.Maria and John Smiths daughter Mary Ellen Smith dressmaker of house aged 40
With her unmarried siblings Elizabeth aged 37 milliner
Emma 35 dressmaker and William 25 commercial clerk
James Yates and Margaret had 8 children ..only one son James Yates b 1822
* PARRY Henry Greening seems odd
Or could this be a child
Of Elizabeth .Jane or Sarah Yates
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I believe
Henry Greening Parry was the husband of their grandaughters Martha Adams ..B abt 1855 Chester
Now to find who she is the daughter of .
My tree on ancestry is now wrong because I thought he was the son of Elizabeth Yates * I'm rewriting it.
A tree on ancestry says his mother died in 1851 so Elizabeth PARRY is his father henry.s second wife ....all getting very complicated and taking me away from the YATES family
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Thanks for the useful link to the overleigh cemetery site
I've browsed it a bit.
In 1871 Henry G PARRY age 20 was a boarder a timber merchant in Cheshire
Martha Adams aged 18 was with her aunt Ellen and uncle Robert BAKER a canal operator
Maybe they met when he delivered wood
The couple married in 1874 in Wales but he died two years later .Henry greening Parry .s mother died when he was young and he may not have been close to his family his half siblings were a decade younger than him.
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I think I've found James Yates junior
He.s married to Ann from Mellwych ? Wales
This James turns up in Nantwich Birmingham and Stockport
As a canal trader
A wharfinger ....could be something to do with canals ?
A Wesleyan preacher. ....is there a way of knowing or guessing religion from how children's births are recorded ??
He lived til at least 1891 and had 10 children ! Which also fits in with the other fertile YATES
There don't seem to be many child deaths through the generations
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James Yates
England, Cheshire Parish Registers
Name James Yates
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Dec 1843
Event Place St John, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Age (Formatted) 21y
Marital Status Single
Father's Name James Yates
Spouse's Name Ann Peters
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name John Peters
Wharfinger see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharfinger
Ray
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That would explain why they called their son James Peters YATES
And he followed in his father's footsteps and was a wessleyan preacher in1911
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More detailed info
James Yates, bachelor, 21, Office Clerk, of Foregate St., Chester, son of James Yates, Mariner, and Ann Peters, spinster, 25, Dressmaker, of Brook St., Chester, dtr of John Peters, Builder, married by Banns 11th Dec 1843, St John, Chester. Witnessed Mary Harrison & Jane Yates. Minister W.B. Marsden.
Courtesy of Cheshire Parish Register Project http://cprdb.csc.liv.ac.uk/
Ray