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Title: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: myself1 on Tuesday 21 November 17 15:17 GMT (UK)
hoping someone out there can help put some more info to my Taylor family in Scotland this is what I have so far
William Taylor born ? married ? his son William Taylor baptized 6 April,1691 Torpichen Kirk married Janet Creif on 19 Sept, 1702 at Findo Gask Perthshire, then their son Alexander Taylor was born 4 Oct, 1713 he married Anne Kynock on 2 Oct, 1745 at Tibber More Church then their son
Alexander Taylor born 17,DEC,1747 married Elizabeth Wilson on 27th,Aug,1777 in Perth then their son Alexander Taylor born 31,May,1789 in New Burg, married Elizabeth Simson, then their son
William Taylor born 1816 New Burg, married Janet Keddie on 12,July,1841 in Auchtermuchty Fife,then their son Robert Taylor born 1850 in Auchtermuchty Fife married on 21,May,1877 Elizabeth Howie in Kings Clear New Brunswick Canada.

Only other info I have is children of William Taylor & Janet Keddie are as far as I know
Margaret Taylor born 1843
David Taylor born 1847
Robert Taylor born 1850 ,My gg grandfather
Janet Taylor born 1852
John Taylor born 1855
Agnes Taylor born 1857
Helen Taylor born 1861

any info on any of the above would be great Thank You all in advance
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: ev on Tuesday 21 November 17 20:13 GMT (UK)
Hi , welcome to RC  :)

This looks like the family on the 1851 Census(FreeCEN transcription)
Crosshill , Auchtermuchty , Fife(all born Auchtermuchty Fife)
William Taylor 34 hand loom weaver linen
Janet Taylor 34 wife
Thomas Taylor 12 son weaver apprentice
Margaret Taylor 9 dau
May Taylor 5 dau
David Taylor 3 son
Robert Taylor 10 months son

Have you managed to verify your tree ?
There's a death for a Janet Taylor(other surname Keddie) , age 57 , 1874 Auchtermuchty Fife and a likely death for a William Taylor , age 63 , 1879 Auchtermuchty Fife.(https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/)


ev

Added -
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Awilliam~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Ataylor~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ajanet~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Akeddie~
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 22 November 17 07:44 GMT (UK)
Torpichen
Torphichen

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married Anne Kynock on 2 Oct, 1745 at Tibber More Church
Tibbermore - all one word.

The marriage is unlikely to have taken place in the church building. The normal thing was for the wedding to be held in the bride's home or, if she had no parents or was married a long way from their home, in the manse or in her employers' house.

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in New Burg
Is this Newburgh, and if so is it Newburgh in Fife (the most likely)? There is another village of Newburgh in Aberdeenshire, besides various farms of the same name all over the country.
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: myself1 on Wednesday 22 November 17 14:59 GMT (UK)
Thank you
I have not myself verify any of this as a friend did the research for me. I am not in Scotland I am in Canada.
But am sure the info is correct.
I do not know what year that Robert Taylor born 1850 left Scotland and went to New Brunswick, he married in 1877 Elizabeth Howie , in Kings Clear New Brunswick Canada. On his marriage certificate it has his parents as William Taylor & Janet Keddie. I have seen this myself as I have a copy of the marriage certifacate.

I am not sure if NewBurg is one or two words.
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 22 November 17 18:08 GMT (UK)
am not sure if NewBurg is one or two words.
I am sure. I can absolutely guarantee that there is no place in Scotland called New Burg or Newburg  :)

The baptisms of the older children are not listed on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, which means that the records of their baptisms. if they ever existed, have not survived. However the statutory registers of births list John, born 2 January 1855; Agnes, 3 June 1857; and Helen, 2 May 1861. 1855 birth certificates are genealogical gold mines, because they contain information not collected in any other year.

Ev has given you a transcription of the 1851 census, and a likely death for Janet Keddie or Taylor. I noted that a William Taylor, aged 63, died in Auchtermuchty in 1879, so I took a look at that death certificate. This was indeed William Taylor, married to Janet Keddie, but he was not the son of Alexander Taylor and Elizabeth Simson. His parents, according to his son David who registered the death, were Thomas Taylor and Mary Ann Gillchrist.

So I am sorry to rain on your parade, but what your friend gave you is incorrect. It looks as if your friend has found a likely-looking candidate of about the right age, and has assumed that because there isn't another likely candidate, this must be the right one. This is a very common mistake. It is never safe to make such an assumption because there are so many people whose baptism records have not survived. You may as well throw away the rest of what your friend found, because it is based on a rather fundamental error.
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: ev on Wednesday 22 November 17 18:46 GMT (UK)
From what others had I did suspect all was not correct ,  Forfarian  :(

However I did see this -
1851 Census(FreeCEN transcription)
Crosshill , Auchtermuchty , Fife
Thomas Taylor 79 pauper formerly brewer b. Errol Perth
Mary Ann Taylor 72 wife pauper b. Edinburgh Midlothian
Euphemia Adam 10 grndau yarn sizier b. Auchtermuchty Fife

From memory there is a possible death for this Thomas 1855(age 83) in Auchtermuchty.

Death for a Mary Ann S Taylor(other surname Gilchrist) , age 85 , 1862 Auchtermuchty Fife.


ev
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 22 November 17 18:57 GMT (UK)
Good find, ev  :)
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: ruthhelen on Wednesday 22 November 17 19:03 GMT (UK)
Good find indeed ev.

And as well as the death of Thomas Taylor in 1855 (mother's maiden name Braes) - there's also a possible death for Mary Ann S Taylor (other name Gilchrist) in Auchtermuchty in 1862 - no mother's maiden name indexed by the looks of it, but still - a bonus to have both of them die after 1855  ;D

Ruth
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 22 November 17 19:15 GMT (UK)
There's a baptism of Thomas, son of James Taylor and Margaret Braes, in Errol on 3 September 1775.

There's also a baptism of Peter Taylor, parents James Taylor and Elizabeth Braes, on 4 May 1777.

So the question arises, which one is the one the clerk got wrong?
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: ev on Wednesday 22 November 17 19:20 GMT (UK)
Sorry Ruth , I added to my post before I saw yours.

As for a Newburgh connection....
David Taylor baptism 17th Aug. 1806 Newburgh Fife  , parents Thomas Taylor and Mary Gilchrist.
(Familysearch)


ev
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: ruthhelen on Wednesday 22 November 17 19:23 GMT (UK)
There's a baptism in Edinburgh on 22 Jan 1780 of a Mary Anne Gilchrist, parents David Gilchrist and May Turbain.

I notice that there's both a David Taylor and a May Taylor listed in the 1851 census as children of William Taylor and Janet Keddie  ;D

Ruth
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: ev on Wednesday 22 November 17 21:26 GMT (UK)
Possibly David at Crosshill Auchtermuchty ?
1851 Census(FreeCEN transcription)
Crosshill , Auchtermuchty , Fife.
David Taylor 43 weaver linen hand loom b. Newburgh Fife
Mary Taylor 30 wife b.  Auchtermuchty Fife
Martha Taylor 2 b. Auchtermuchty Fife
+2 step children.


ev
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 22 November 17 22:18 GMT (UK)
Looking good.

I do hope we I haven't scared off the original poster, myself1.
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: myself1 on Thursday 23 November 17 03:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you
I have not myself verify any of this as a friend did the research for me. I am not in Scotland I am in Canada.
But am sure the info is correct.
I do not know what year that Robert Taylor born 1850 left Scotland and went to New Brunswick, he married in 1877 Elizabeth Howie , in Kings Clear New Brunswick Canada. On his marriage certificate it has his parents as William Taylor & Janet Keddie. I have seen this myself as I have a copy of the marriage certifacate.

I am not sure if NewBurg is one or two words.
Thank you
I have not myself verify any of this as a friend did the research for me. I am not in Scotland I am in Canada.
But am sure the info is correct.
I do not know what year that Robert Taylor born 1850 left Scotland and went to New Brunswick, he married in 1877 Elizabeth Howie , in Kings Clear New Brunswick Canada. On his marriage certificate it has his parents as William Taylor & Janet Keddie. I have seen this myself as I have a copy of the marriage certifacate.

I am not sure if NewBurg is one or two words.

I was told William Taylor was born 1816 in Newburgh Scotland,but will have to keep searching for sure,married Janet Keddie.
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 23 November 17 08:00 GMT (UK)
I was told William Taylor was born 1816 in Newburgh Scotland,but will have to keep searching for sure,married Janet Keddie.
The available evidence does not support that.

1. The 1851 census says that the William Taylor who was married to Janet Keddie was born in Auchtermuchty. Auchtermuchty and Newburgh are separate and mutually exclusive parishes. Therefore, barring errors, he cannot be the William Taylor who was born in Newburgh.

2. The death certificate of the husband of Janet Keddie says that his parents were Thomas Taylor and Mary Ann Gilchrist. The William Taylor born in Newburgh was the son of Alexander Taylor and Elizabeth Simson. Therefore they are two different William Taylors.

3. Thomas Taylor and his wife Mary Ann were living in 1851 at the same place as William and Janet and their family.

4. Thomas Taylor, Mary Ann Gilchrist or Taylor, William Taylor and Janet Keddie or Taylor all died in Auchtermuchty, and their death certificates are available to view.

I recommend that you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in some credits, and use them to download copies of the four death certificates and the original 1851 census. Then reconsider what you have been told in the light of the actual documented evidence.

Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: tennfan on Wednesday 15 April 20 22:30 BST (UK)
What I've discovered is that the Taylor's originated from Ireland, Scotland and England. I've been able to research as far back as the 9th century. I have Rowland Taylor (1510-1555) as my 12th great grandfather and have Baron Hanger Taylifer (1256-1336) as my 21st great grandfather. I have William II Tailefer born about 960 in my line.
Seems  some of the Taylor's immigrated on the ship Truelove to the USA. Some settled in PA, KY, TN, VA and NC. What have any others discovered?
Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Celtic Geordie on Wednesday 24 June 20 18:34 BST (UK)
I'm coming into this discussion late in the day, but have a lot of information (my family tree is on Ancestry if anyone is interested).
Thomas TAYLOR, born in Errol, Perth, around 1775, father James TAYLOR, mother Elizabeth BRAES,
was my 3xgreat grandfather.
One of his sons, William, was born in Newburgh around 1816.  The confusion about his place of birth could be because the enumerator asked another family member where William was born and they gave the incorrect village/parish, or possibly because the enumerator  wrote down what they thought was correct, given the current address.  Enumerators and families are human and mistakes were made!
William TAYLOR had a son, Thomas Smith TAYLOR, in 1839 in Auchtermuchty, with Jane BISSETT and they were not married.  The 1841 census which could have helped me with my research into Jane Bissett, was unfortunately lost, as some of you will know. 
So, William TAYLOR and Jane BISSETT are my 2xgreat grandparents.
Thomas Smith TAYLOR did meet up and find his mother Jane BISSETT, who had married Michael McCULLOCH, in Glasgow and he is lodging with them in the 1861 census, with his wife Rebecca (nee WALKER) and one year old son, also Thomas.
If I can help anyone with their research into these families, please let me know.

Title: Re: Taylor family in Scotland
Post by: Designtech on Sunday 17 October 21 00:33 BST (UK)
I am looking for some Scottish Taylor family information and I'm wondering if you may have some of that information. I am looking for the parents of Peter Taylor. The info I have says he was born in 1777 Trinity Gask, Perthshire, Scotland and died Jan 5, 1860 in Duncrub, Dunning, Perthshire, Scotland.. I am wondering if he could be related to Thomas Taylor you mention born in Errol, Perth. Kind of a longshot but if you have any info that would be much appreciated. Thanks.