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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: kirsty.foreman on Tuesday 21 November 17 16:51 GMT (UK)
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hi i dont no much about my grandad robert edward foreman other then he married my nan renna hamerton at ealing register office in 1939 i know he had a brother called tony foreman but i was told there was other siblings and i was told that he mothers maiden name was ingerfiled but im not sure if this is true as my dad said there could be a family secret as he said my grandad cut himself of from my family as my dad alan reckons that hes family was part of the east end when the kray brothers was alive. everyone use to call my grandad ted foreman him and my nan renna hamerton had 4 boys and 1 daughter they lived in chiswick my grandad past december 4th in surrey a good few years ago i think the year he past was 2013-2014 so i be gratefull for some help please
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From freebmd
Births Jun qtr 1928
Foreman Robert E
mothers maiden name Ingarfield
Paddington 1a 2
You can search freebmd Births with surname 'Foreman' and mothers maiden surname Ingarfield for any possible siblings https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
I won't mention them as we are not allowed to name possibly living people
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Also from freebmd
Marriage Jun qtr 1927
Robert E Foreman
Lydia Ingarfield
Kensington registration district 1a 369
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Also from freebmd
Marriage Jun qtr 1927
Robert E Foreman
Lydia Ingarfield
Kensington registration district 1a 369
Hi do you no what he's dad name was and where the foreman family and hamerton family history and where they all camed from it's just I'm doing ancestry DNA throw my heritage and I have no clue where my grandad Robert Edward foreman born 1928 died 2012 side of the family come from and also I have no Idea where my nan renna foreman born hamerton in 1932 and died 1971 at age 39 all I no is her mum was called Florencee hamerton born gilham she was married to George hamerton and I no my great nan Florencee live in chiswick middlesex so I have no idea where my dad side of the family come and it be good to find out my history and what they all did for a living and how far back into my family history please thank you.
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To do that you will need to purchase some certificates.
The 1927 (Robert E Foreman + Lydia Ingarfield) marriage for starters.
I also believe that the Ealing marriage wasn't in 1939, given the groom was b 1928.
Florence Gilham and George Hamerton did not wed until 1948.
If you search the 1939 register, it implies that Rena/ Renna Violet was b 1932, and was living in 1939 in the Bletchley area.
There is a birth in jun 1/4 1931 Greenwich which may be relevant, if Rena didnt like her "official " first name
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Renna was registered as Gilham, so Florence not married at that time.
Births Mar Q 1932
Gilham Renna V mother maiden name Gilham Islington 1b 420
Her death has DOB as 6 Jan 1932
RENNA VIOLET FOREMAN
Death quarter 4 Death year 1971
District Hounslow County Middlesex
Volume 5C Page 1469
Don't think George & Florence married until 1948 as there was a Marriage in 1922 to a Mary A Doyle, seems a few children born, maybe he was not free until then. Info from 1939 with George shows son born from 1922 marriage.
Cas
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Seems there was a daughter born to George & Florence Sept Q 1948 Ealing district she married in 1965 same district. Names cannot be posted if people still maybe living.
Kirsty, as suggested check https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register index is free to search..for George & Florence, and other family you wish to find, unable to post details due to copyright.
Also https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl will give birth/marriage/death details if registered
Renna/Robert married in 1949 Ealing reg district
Another free site is https://www.familysearch.org/hr/search but as said you would need to purchase BMD certificates to prove you are following the correct line when researching back through family.
Good luck :)
Cas
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To start you off, ideally a cert for Florence/George 1948 marriage is needed to confirm her fathers name.
This is the GRO birth registration of the birthdate she gave on 1939 register
GILHAM, FLORENCE AMY mothers maiden name FILE
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 205
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp Free to search, just register.
I then went to search a marriage for her parents on FreeBMD
Marriages Sep Q 1896 Same page
FILE Rose Mary Kensington 1a 317
GILHAM John Joseph R Kensington 1a 317
Possible census from familysearch 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLZ-HXL
Cas
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Information on the 1939 register and 1911 census point to Robert Edward Foreman being the son ( born 1905) of Robert Edward Foreman and Mary Ellen Fillingham who married in Marylebone in 1904. Mary is shown as a widow in 1911 suggesting Robert Edward died 1905-1911 though can't find an obvious death.
Isobel
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Information on the 1939 register and 1911 census point to Robert Edward Foreman being the son ( born 1905) of Robert Edward Foreman and Mary Ellen Fillingham who married in Marylebone in 1904. Mary is shown as a widow in 1911 suggesting Robert Edward died 1905-1911 though can't find an obvious death.
Isobel
hi there i put my nan and grandad year of marrage wrong it was 1949 at Ealing registry office
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hi there i put my nan and grandad year of marrage wrong it was 1949 at Ealing registry office
Yes, we also told you that at replies number 4, 5, 6 and 7.
Now, are you going to buy any certificates so that further progress back can be made with more confidence?
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Hi Kirsty,
I would very much agree with Pauline, there is no quick, easy and inexpensive way to confirm you have the correct family bloodlines without verifying with BMD certs. Family History is a interesting and can be a time consuming expensive but rewarding pastime.
I would take one family at a time and confirm yours before building a tree, trying to go down all lines at once gets confusing with names you may find, and it all can get jumbled. Unless other family members are interested to help take on tree lines or branches.
Also be prepared to uncover skeletons. Such as Renna born to Florence many years before marriage to George. Would he be named on her birth cert, or would no father be listed as given her mothers surname?
We are only trying to help find your correct family lines, but down to you to build and confirm, Others and I have given you links to access what is free. Nothing more rewarding than finding or confirming your own family history, maybe with a little help along the way.
Also cannot understand why you post in the 'Travelling People' board, have not yet to date seen any connection to Romany or Gypsy blood. Maybe the beginners board would be better to start with, or area/locality of research.
Just my thoughts ::)
Regards
Cas
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Hi Kirsty,
I would very much agree with Pauline, there is no quick, easy and inexpensive way to confirm you have the correct family bloodlines without verifying with BMD certs. Family History is a interesting and can be a time consuming expensive but rewarding pastime.
I would take one family at a time and confirm yours before building a tree, trying to go down all lines at once gets confusing with names you may find, and it all can get jumbled. Unless other family members are interested to help take on tree lines or branches.
Also be prepared to uncover skeletons. Such as Renna born to Florence many years before marriage to George. Would he be named on her birth cert, or would no father be listed as given her mothers surname?
We are only trying to help find your correct family lines, but down to you to build and confirm, Others and I have given you links to access what is free. Nothing more rewarding than finding or confirming your own family history, maybe with a little help along the way.
Also cannot understand why you post in the 'Travelling People' board, have not yet to date seen any connection to Romany or Gypsy blood. Maybe the beginners board would be better to start with, or area/locality of research.
Just my thoughts ::)
Regards
Cas
a while back I think I found the birth place my grandad Robert Edward Foreman was bornot and I think it was Paddington London can you please help me as I can't find he's Birth year. Thank you
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You can get his birth year from reply number one of this thread.
Buy the certificate, and only then might some progress come about
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Information on the 1939 register and 1911 census point to Robert Edward Foreman being the son ( born 1905) of Robert Edward Foreman and Mary Ellen Fillingham who married in Marylebone in 1904. Mary is shown as a widow in 1911 suggesting Robert Edward died 1905-1911 though can't find an obvious death.
Isobel
hi there person born in 1905 is that my great grandad it's just I'm lost and confused
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Kirsty, BUY the certificates which we have recommended.
1928 birth
1927 marriage
1905 birth.
1904 marriage
WHEN you have them, tell us exactly what it says on them.
Until then, this is all a guess.
With solid evidence from certificates, you can get further back, without the solid evidence, even we cannot help.
Pauline
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Information on the 1939 register and 1911 census point to Robert Edward Foreman being the son ( born 1905) of Robert Edward Foreman and Mary Ellen Fillingham who married in Marylebone in 1904. Mary is shown as a widow in 1911 suggesting Robert Edward died 1905-1911 though can't find an obvious death.
Isobel
hi there person born in 1905 is that my great grandad it's just I'm lost and confused
If the Robert E Foreman born in 1905 is the one who later married Lydia Ingarfield (in 1927)and was the father of the Robert E Foreman born in 1928 then he would be your great grandfather.
Isobel
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Information on the 1939 register and 1911 census point to Robert Edward Foreman being the son ( born 1905) of Robert Edward Foreman and Mary Ellen Fillingham who married in Marylebone in 1904. Mary is shown as a widow in 1911 suggesting Robert Edward died 1905-1911 though can't find an obvious death.
Isobel
hi there person born in 1905 is that my great grandad it's just I'm lost and confused
If the Robert E Foreman born in 1905 is the one who later married Lydia Ingarfield (in 1927)and was the father of the Robert E Foreman born in 1928 then he would be your great grandfather.
Isobel
thank you for your help. You may find this and bit funny but as my dad side of the family are from London and mum side of the family the hambridge walker and Thompson lived and worked on the canal delivering coal from Braunston Birmingham to Brentford and London I was wondering if there might of been any famous people in my family that I don't no about.
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Information on the 1939 register and 1911 census point to Robert Edward Foreman being the son ( born 1905) of Robert Edward Foreman and Mary Ellen Fillingham who married in Marylebone in 1904. Mary is shown as a widow in 1911 suggesting Robert Edward died 1905-1911 though can't find an obvious death.
Isobel
hi there person born in 1905 is that my great grandad it's just I'm lost and confused
If the Robert E Foreman born in 1905 is the one who later married Lydia Ingarfield (in 1927)and was the father of the Robert E Foreman born in 1928 then he would be your great grandfather.
Isobel
thank you for your help. You may find this and bit funny but as my dad side of the family are from London and mum side of the family the hambridge walker and Byfield Thompson lived and worked on the canal delivering coal from Braunston Birmingham to Brentford and London I was wondering if there might of been any famous people in my family that I don't no about.
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Hi I would like to find out if my great grandad Robert Edward foreman mother and father names and where they camed from and I would like to no if my great grandad Robert Edward foreman had any siblings as I can't find any on myheritage so if you can help me out I be very great full. Thank you
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To start you off, ideally a cert for Florence/George 1948 marriage is needed to confirm her fathers name.
This is the GRO birth registration of the birthdate she gave on 1939 register
GILHAM, FLORENCE AMY mothers maiden name FILE
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 205
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp Free to search, just register.
I then went to search a marriage for her parents on FreeBMD
Marriages Sep Q 1896 Same page
FILE Rose Mary Kensington 1a 317
GILHAM John Joseph R Kensington 1a 317
Possible census from familysearch 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWLZ-HXL
Cas
I would love to find out my great Nan's mother and fathers names and where they camed from it will help my search as I'm stuck.
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Information on the 1939 register and 1911 census point to Robert Edward Foreman being the son ( born 1905) of Robert Edward Foreman and Mary Ellen Fillingham who married in Marylebone in 1904. Mary is shown as a widow in 1911 suggesting Robert Edward died 1905-1911 though can't find an obvious death.
Isobel
hi there i put my nan and grandad year of marrage wrong it was 1949 at Ealing registry office
hi I need to find the birth and death date of Mary Ellen fillinhgham
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hi I need to find the birth and death date of Mary Ellen fillinhgham
When you have purchased the birth certificate from 1905 and the marriage certificate from 1904, and have provided the transcription from those we can suggest which may be the correct records.
Not before.
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I agree that you really need to purchase the birth and marriage records to be sure, however if they are for your Robert Edward Foreman and his parents Robert Edward and Mary Ellen Fillingham then the following info may be relevant.
Mary Ellen’s mother is living with her in 1911. Using her first name there is a 1901 T Marylebone census entry for John Fillingham age 60 born Yorkshire, a Fitter and Turner, and wife Louisa age 54, born Whitechapel. A number of children including Mary age 17 ( wrongly transcribed as 19 on Ancestry)who was born Marylebone. In 1891 they are living in Marylebone - John is age 49 an Engine Fitter born Beverley, Yorkshire. Wife L E Fillingham is age 44 born Marylebone and among the children a daughter Mary Ellen, age 7 born Marylebone.
In 1881, still in Marylebone, John Fellingham is age 39, an Engineers Labourer. Louisa is age 34 born Scotland? ( think this is an error as every other census indicates she was born in London). There are eight children ranging from Herbert age 15 down to John 10 months.
I haven’t been able to find births for all the children of John and Louisa ( including Mary Ellen’s) but those I have found give mmn of Syme.
Isobel
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Census records point to Louisa Fillingham nee Syme being born in London around 1847. There is a birth record for Louisa Elizabeth Sym mmn Douglass born in Bethnal Green in 1846. In 1851 a widowed Sarah Syme age 28 is in Whitechapel with daughter Louisa Syme age 4 and two unmarried Douglas sisters. By 1861 Sarah is shown as wife of Thomas Budd and is living in Marylebone with him and two Symes children - Sarah age 14 and James age 9 ( recorded as James Syme mmn Douglas in Dec quarter 1851). There is a death in Bethnal Green Jun quarter 1850 of William Syme age 37 who may be husband of Sarah and father of Louisa. Pushing it to be father of James who is using Budd name by 1871.
In 1871 Louisa is listed in Ordsall, Notts as the wife of John Fillingham, but I can’t see a marriage. There are three children - Herbert age 4 born London ( can’t see obvious birth record) and Célia age 3 and George age 1 who are recorded in Lincoln as Fillingham mmn Syme.
Isobel
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To do that you will need to purchase some certificates.
The 1927 (Robert E Foreman + Lydia Ingarfield) marriage for starters.
I also believe that the Ealing marriage wasn't in 1939, given the groom was b 1928.
Florence Gilham and George Hamerton did not wed until 1948.
If you search the 1939 register, it implies that Rena/ Renna Violet was b 1932, and was living in 1939 in the Bletchley area.
There is a birth in jun 1/4 1931 Greenwich which may be relevant, if Rena didnt like her "official " first name
hi I would like to know where my great great grandfather Robert Edward foreman and great great grandmother Mary Ellen fillingham camed from and weather or not if they had any siblings and what they did for a living. I no my great great grandmother Mary married my great great grandfather Robert Edward foreman but I don't no where or when they got married or when they was born and died so I'm stuck on that as I have tried searching through the website.
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hi I would like to know where my great great grandfather Robert Edward foreman and great great grandmother Mary Ellen fillingham camed from and weather or not if they had any siblings and what they did for a living. I no my great great grandmother Mary married my great great grandfather Robert Edward foreman but I don't no where or when they got married or when they was born and died so I'm stuck on that as I have tried searching through the website.
Yes you do. It's been covered before. See reply number 8.
You've also been told that no more can be done until you provide information from certificates.
Not just by me, others too.
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hi I would like to know where my great great grandfather Robert Edward foreman and great great grandmother Mary Ellen fillingham camed from and weather or not if they had any siblings and what they did for a living. I no my great great grandmother Mary married my great great grandfather Robert Edward foreman but I don't no where or when they got married or when they was born and died so I'm stuck on that as I have tried searching through the website.
Yes you do. It's been covered before. See reply number 8.
You've also been told that no more can be done until you provide information from certificates.
Not just by me, others too.
yeah I saw earlier lol
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Hi can someone please help me I can't seem to find my great nans siblings names I'm aware she had brothers and sister I just don't no there names.
My great nan was Florence Amy gilham born 19th August 1908 Notting Hill London I think she died 4th of November 1993 she was married to great grandad George ridge Hamerton who was born 26 October 1901 bermondsey London and died 1st October 1981 Chiswick
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Hi can someone please help me I can't seem to find my great nans siblings names I'm aware she had brothers and sister I just don't no there names.
My great nan was Florence Amy gilham born 19th August 1908 Notting Hill London I think she died 4th of November 1993 she was married to great grandad George ridge Hamerton who was born 26 October 1901 bermondsey London and died 1st October 1981 Chiswick
My great nan Florence Amy gilham mother surname was file.
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Look at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796728.msg6536067#msg6536067