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Title: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Thursday 23 November 17 08:23 GMT (UK)
Hello. I am looking for my 4thgreat grandad who is called thomas owen griffiths. He was a clerk and was in charge of moving the bodies before the village was flooded.   This is the only photo we have of him. And wondered if anybody has anymore information about him..
Thank you
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 November 17 09:53 GMT (UK)
Hello and Welcome  :)

I'm not sure what information that you are looking for but here are a few possibles:

Census info:

1901 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9B5-PLK

1881 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WS-WNVS

1871 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5P5-8R6

Possible birth - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC53-TNK
(possible parents - John and Jane Griffiths)


Gadget
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 November 17 09:56 GMT (UK)
FreeBMD marriage ref

Thomas Owen Griffiths and Pheobe Morrallee Sept Q, 1868 Llanfyllin 11b 349


Gadget
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 November 17 11:06 GMT (UK)
Thomas Owen Griffiths was buried at Hirnant 11 Jan 1902, aged 63

Noted on the burial record:

Quote
Parish Clerk of Llanwddyn from the year 1881 to the day of his death
.

The mention of Llanwddyn confirms the Vernwy link.


Gadget

added - there are probably obituaries for him. I will look later if no one else finds any for you  :)
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 November 17 11:18 GMT (UK)
A bit more:

1851 Census
HO107/2499/591/12
Waterfall Street, Llanrhaiadr YM

John Griffths, 33, Parish Clerk
Jane, 33, b. llansilin
Thomas Owen s, 10
Jane, d, 6
Elizabeth, d, 5
John Owen, s, 3
Anne, d, 7 months
Anne Jones, visitor, 21, pauper receiving parosh relief, b. Llanwddyn

Born Llanrhaiadr if not stated.


Gadget

Added  - possible marriage for John nd Jane in 1839 - Jane's mn was Ellis.
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Thursday 23 November 17 13:14 GMT (UK)
oh my gosh wow thank you all ever so much for you help. you all have been so helpful. i really appreciate it xx
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 November 17 15:38 GMT (UK)
Hi again :)

I can't see an obituary at the moment but there is a tree on Ancestry whih has marriage certificate for him and Pheobe and family photos. Unfortunately it's a private one so you'd need to contact the owner

This is the link:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/pt/RequestTreeAccess.aspx?tid=47142827&pid=


Gadget
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: JGDavies on Thursday 23 November 17 19:15 GMT (UK)
Montgomeryshire Records boolket for the Parish of Llanywddyn gives:the reservoir started filling 1888 ..., and a headstone inscription:

Sandstone headstone and inscription (location shown on the map in the booklet)

In rememberance of Benjamin Stafford Thomas beloved son of T. O. and P. Griffiths, Bryn-y-groes, born Jan. 13 1887, died April 1988

Then gives an added note from the Registry Office: Thomas Owen GRIFFITHS m. Phoebe [spelt Phoebbee] MORALLEE. Short was my time, short was my pain, Short was my grief, Great is my gain.
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 November 17 19:49 GMT (UK)
Good find - that's the couple that's been identified earlier - more proof  :)

Nothing so far in Obits from Welsh Newspapers or British Newspaper archives.

Gadget
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Thursday 23 November 17 20:50 GMT (UK)
oh my gosh wow thank you ever so much you have found so much out,, i am so greatful thank you x
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Friday 24 November 17 16:45 GMT (UK)
I've found Thomas Owen Jones's parents's marriage entry in Llansilin  - your  5x great grandparents

Feb 8th 1839
John Griffiths, full age (i.e over 21), bachelor
occ - Parish Clerk
Residence - Llanrhaiadr yn Mochnant
Father - David Griffths, Parish Clerk

and

Jane Jones, full age, spinster
Residence - Golon Isaf, Llansilin
Father - Edward Jones, Groom

Both signed.

Witnesses - Thomas Owen Griffiths* and Ann Roberts

Could this be a brother of John's?


Gadget
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Friday 24 November 17 19:57 GMT (UK)
that is amazing that you have found all this.. thank you ever so much i am so great full xx
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Tuesday 14 August 18 12:56 BST (UK)
Thomas Owen Griffiths was buried at Hirnant 11 Jan 1902, aged 63

Noted on the burial record:

Quote
Parish Clerk of Llanwddyn from the year 1881 to the day of his death
.

The mention of Llanwddyn confirms the Vernwy link.


Gadget

added - there are probably obituaries for him. I will look later if no one else finds any for you  :)
 


Would it be all possible to see if it says where he is buried? Does it have a photo ? Thank you xx
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:25 BST (UK)
St Illog seems to be the only graveyard at Hirnant

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Hirnant

http://www.cpat.demon.co.uk/projects/longer/churches/montgom/16414.htm

I've checked Findagrave but no memorial mentioned

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2653541/st-illog's-churchyard

Phone number on this link

https://seearoundbritain.com/venues/hirnant-church-opening-times-vary-free-entry

They might be able to help





Gadget
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Tuesday 14 August 18 13:28 BST (UK)
Thank you so much i am so greatful for your help. You have been amazing x
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: cennydd on Sunday 26 August 18 20:17 BST (UK)
No memorial Hirnant
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: karenAnderson on Friday 18 January 19 19:15 GMT (UK)
Hello! Gosh this is fun! His father was John Griffiths, his mother Jane. Thomas Owen Griffiths was my GGGrandfather, his wife was Phoebe Moralee, his daughter Phoebe Jane was my GGrandmother, her daughter Elizabeth, my grandmother. Phoebe Jane married Joseph Warburton in Liverpool in 1895, where they remained for the rest of life. My Grandmother moved south in 1924 to East Molesey Surrey where my mother was born. Which branch are you? Regards, Karen
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Gadget on Friday 18 January 19 19:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Karen and welcome to Rootschat

April has been on here since last August so she might not see you message.  If you post 2 more messages - just answer this twice  with a smile or whatever and you will then be able to use our Personal Message system.

In the meantime, I'll send April a message re your post.

Best wishes

Gadget
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Friday 18 January 19 19:45 GMT (UK)
Hi karen oh gosh wow long lost family 😊
 phoebe jane griffiths is my 3rd great aunt..
Thomas owen griffiths is my  3rd great grandad his son thomas griffiths is my 2nd great grandad and then there son david griffiths and it goes to kenneth griffiths who is my grandad 😮.

Gosh amazing x
Title: Griffiths
Post by: karenAnderson on Friday 18 January 19 19:56 GMT (UK)
Which makes us 3rd cousins! Can't wait for my Ancestry DNA results to come back, there must be thousands of us! :-D
Title: Re: Griffiths
Post by: Gadget on Friday 18 January 19 20:00 GMT (UK)

See

Threads merged.

Have done a RTM  :)
Title: Re: Griffiths
Post by: karenAnderson on Friday 18 January 19 20:54 GMT (UK)
What's RTM? I'm a newbie AND a technophobe...so bear with me! My previous post was s'posed to go drekly to April! Oops...So...hello, I'm Karen and I'm a Warburton/Griffiths/Moralee/Vincent sort of person. I have no clue, either.
Title: Re: Griffiths
Post by: Gadget on Friday 18 January 19 21:12 GMT (UK)
RTM was Report to Mod - so that it could go on your other post with April's  so that she could see it.

If you click on this:

Threads merged.

you'll see that April has replied.

Click Reply  on that post and you can answer her there.

Also, here's a link to lots of 'How to...' posts

OH dear - I forgot to add the link :

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/how-to-use-rootschat/

Title: Re: Griffiths
Post by: karenAnderson on Friday 18 January 19 21:19 GMT (UK)
Thanks Gadget.
Yeah, slowly finding my way around...have seen April's messages, thanks. Nice to instantly find a cuz! ;-)
Title: Re: Griffiths
Post by: Gadget on Friday 18 January 19 21:43 GMT (UK)
Hope you stay around here and so glad you found April  :)


Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Bob Milsom on Thursday 07 May 20 17:34 BST (UK)
Thomas Owen Griffiths is great great grandfather, I don't have much information but my aunt has a picture of Phoebe
Title: Re: Looking for thomas owen griffiths clerk for moving bodies before Lake Vyrnwy
Post by: Aprilgriffiths on Friday 14 May 21 20:57 BST (UK)
Thomas Owen Griffiths is great great grandfather, I don't have much information but my aunt has a picture of Phoebe

wow bob lovely to here from you. so sorry for the long reply some how my notifications made it to my spam emails  ???  hello long lost family :) xx