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Title: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Saturday 25 November 17 22:28 GMT (UK)
Thomas Gearon / Geron born circa 1865.

Married 1889 in Belfast and remained living there.

Possible parent's names Patrick Gearon / Mary Quinlan? (to be confirmed)

However two UK Soldier Records show Thomas as being born in Surrey and living in Ireland.

Any assistance on finding Thomas in England prior to moving to Ireland, together with confirmation of his parents would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 25 November 17 22:39 GMT (UK)
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Married 1889 in Belfast and remained living there.

Did he marry a Catherine?  Is he on the 1911 Irish census?
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Saturday 25 November 17 22:41 GMT (UK)
Yes CaroleW, he's on the 1911 Irish census with wife Catherine "Kate" and their children.
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 25 November 17 22:44 GMT (UK)
If this is the right entry his birthplace is shown as Belfast 1870

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001531287/
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 25 November 17 22:51 GMT (UK)
Does his marriage cert give his fathers name?
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Saturday 25 November 17 22:51 GMT (UK)
I agree with you CaroleW, that is what it states - and living in Mayfair Street. 

His British Army WW1 Service Records also state Mayfair Street as his residence, but Surrey as his birthplace.
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Saturday 25 November 17 22:52 GMT (UK)
I don't have a copy of the marriage certificate sorry
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 25 November 17 23:05 GMT (UK)
I have just looked at his WW1 record (shown as Geron) and can't see any reference to him being born in Surrey.  Birthyear 1869 which is almost the same as 1911 entry

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Sunday 26 November 17 03:19 GMT (UK)
The document from the UK Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records clearly states he was born in the Parish of Surrey, near the town of London, in the County of Surrey. 

I sincerely hope that this helps.

Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Sunday 26 November 17 03:22 GMT (UK)
Regiment: Roy Rifle Res Regt
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 November 17 18:15 GMT (UK)
I think you are looking at 2 different people.  I don’t have Premium membership so can’t view the Chelsea Pensioner record but on his attestation papers in 1915 he says he has never served in any other branch of HM forces
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 November 17 19:22 GMT (UK)
The link says you can only access that record if you have Ancestry Premium Membership  - which I do have as my subscription renewal has just arrived!!

However - it won't allow me access to "Fold 3" so I assume it's Premium for Ancestry.com - not co.uk
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Sunday 31 December 17 04:11 GMT (UK)
CaroleW is there any way of seeing if there are records of the Thomas Gearon remaining in Surrey to ensure it is not the same person?
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: amondg on Sunday 31 December 17 06:19 GMT (UK)
I agree with CaroleW there are two different people with the same name.
The Thomas Gearon with Chelsea Pension Records STARTED his service in 1900 the 1st Royal Rifle Reserve Regiment.
The 1901 census of Portsmouth Hampshire has him listed as age 37 born Bermondsey Surrey, married
and with the 1st Royal Rifle Reserve Regiment and 4th Oxford Light Infantry Battalion.
(He could be the one with parents Patric and Mary.
1871 he is age 12 in St Mary Magdelen Bermondsey, born circa 1859.
ADDED he is possibly the Thomas R Garron who married Alice E re 1901)

The one you are looking for married 1889 and stayed in Ireland, you will need the marriage certificate to get his fathers name.
 
Title: Re: Gearon / Geron, Bermondsey, Surrey
Post by: Jessies Mum on Wednesday 28 March 18 23:24 BST (UK)
Hi All,

I have got myself a copy of the marriage certificate of Thomas Gearon who was married in Belfast in 1889 to Kate Kennedy.

The residence at the time of his marriage has Thomas living at the Military Barracks.  His father is Patrick and is listed as a Bricklayer.

I have been advised that the St. Patrick's Church record of the marriage identified the groom's parents as Patrick Gearon and Mary Quinlan, the bride's parents as James Kennedy and Kate Fitzpatrick, the groom's parent's address was given as 4 Rotherhithe Rd, Bermondsey, London.

Perhaps this is why the Bermondsey connection now?

Looking forward to any details on Patrick Gearon and Mary Quinlan that may come to light if possible please?