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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Oz Kim on Sunday 26 November 17 08:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi Everyone
I've been searching for a death for my ancestor Elizabeth Jackson (nee WATT)
Elizabeth emigrated to NSW Australia sometime after 1881 with her husband Archibald & her younger children...Her son William Jackson & his wife Jane (nee LITHGOW) followed a short time later...William & Jane had 7 children in NSW. When Archibald died in 1905 Elizabeth seems to fall off the grid, as does William, Jane & there children...I recently found a death for William Lithgow Jackson on the N.Z. BDM & I'm now wondering if William, Jane & family emigrated to N.Z. taking the elderly Elizabeth with them. Not sure where to start on this as the N.Z. BDM doesn't give parents names for comparison...can anyone help please
Kim
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The William Lithgow JACKSON you found, died 27th October 1946, aged 61. Could he be one of Elizabeth's grandchildren?
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Hi Kim,
Can you tell us anything more about Elizabeth, please? Date and place of birth (even approximate), and similar information for her marriage?
Spades
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Hi
The above William Lithgow JACKSON was a son of William JACKSON and his wife, Jane, nee LITHGOW.
Extracted from a New South Wales birth certificate (showing on an online tree) :
William Lithgow JACKSON - b. 4 June 1885 at Lambton, NSW
Father: William - aged 26 years - occ: Miner
Mother: Jane, formerly LITHGOW - 23 years ... both born Scotland
Other children of union : 1 x female (living) - 1 x female and 1 x male, deceased
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Approx Birth years :
William JACKSON (father of above WLJ) = bc 1859
Jane JACKSON (mother) = bc 1862 ... married Scotland - 1881
The parents of above ^ William JACKSON (bc 1859) >
Archibald JACKSON - bc 1835
Elizabeth JACKSON (nee WATT) - also =bc 1835
[Source: Online tree which doesn't give further info on any of their other children, nor does it include dates of death for Arch. & Elizth.]
~ Lu
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Hi Kim
The NZ BDM (online), also had this death >
1950 - JACKSON - David Lithgow - 63 years [bc 1887 ]
William Lithgow JACKSONs' brother, was he ?
NSW - BIRTH
1887
David JACKSON
Parents: William JACKSON and Janie
Registered at : Newcastle, NSW ???
~ Lu
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... incidentally, both JACKSON boys married in New Zealand.
William JACKSON - Margaret ROGERS -- Year: 1912
This info is courtesy of an online tree which has William's marriage cert appended. Note he seemed only to use the name William JACKSON (without "Lithgow") whilst in NZ ... and that applies to listings on electoral rolls.
Brother David Lithgow JACKSON more easily found, and first appears on NZ electoral rolls in 1914 when living near to Palmerston North.
He married 1918 to Gertrude Mary DEMPSEY, and was last residing in the South Island shortly before his death.
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Kim ...
But just because these two were found in NZ, doesn't necessarily follow that they'd lived here for a long time or that they had arrived with their parents. ;)
Being Australian-born (British subjects, as they were known back in those days), meant they were able to come to NZ quite freely (bypassing any immigration regulations). The same would have applied to their Scotland-born parents who had already formally emigrated to Australia in 1881.
And that being so, there probably won't be a record of them entering NZ ... though sometimes persons can be found on the Trans-Tasman shipping lists. [See FamilySearch website for NZ Passenger Lists. ]
So, as already mentioned, we need to have at least names and approx. birth years of all known children of William and Jane JACKSON to assist us in finding info for you. ;)
~ Lu
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If you search for "Lithgow Jackson" at Archway
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/
You will find bankruptcy proceedings for David, 1929 to 1934, and an inquest for William, 1946.
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May have found deaths in NZ for the parents of William Lithgow JACKSON. ???
A bit more sorting to do yet.
Kim ... working backwards from "the known" in order to find Elizabeth.
I sometimes think the "JACKSON" surname is as bothersome as hunting down anyone named "SMITH". ;D
* Interested to know at this stage, whether Jane /William JACKSON had a son named James (first or second christian name) ???
~ Lu
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Lu - from the NSW family history site
JACKSON JAMES 27791/1895 WILLIAM JANE WALLSEND
John
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That's wonderful John, thanks. :)
~ Lu
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Hi Kim
Jane and William JACKSON did come to live in New Zealand, although I can't be precise with a timeframe.
They are buried together at Hillsborough Cemetery in Auckland > details at following link.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll
Edited : Above connection is apparently now redundant. Please refer to the amended link provided at Reply # 20
Search on JACKSON - Jennie* : See Return [1 of 1 ] - died April 1927
Search on JACKSON - William : See Returns [5 of 9 ] and [6 of 9 ] - died 1936
[[Note: * I remember seeing on the Marriage record for William (Lithgow) JACKSON (1912) that his mother's name was recorded as "Jennie". This in turn connected with the "Jennie" death at Auckland - although "age at death" may be somewhat out ? Had also spotted an electoral entry > 1928 at Auckland > which had been transcribed as "JACKSON - Jane Lithg ?? " (the 1925 entry was correct with "Jane Lithgow ... " ). ]]
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Death notice for Jennie JACKSON [Jane JACKSON ]
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19270412.2.4
NZ BDM (online)
1927 / 2618 - JACKSON - Jeannie - 66 years
[* Forename shown as "Jennie" and "Jeannie". ]
~ Lu see next > >
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Here's an interesting burial for an Elizabeth JACKSON, in Dunedin, in 1917.
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=2885&type=Burial
Added later....Gourleys did catholic burials.
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Death Notice for William JACKSON (senior) :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19360622.2.2.4
... died at the residence of his son (name not given) of 31 Hillsborough Road ...
(Sourced from 1938 electoral roll for Roskill, Auckland) - this proved to be the home of a James JACKSON and his wife, Ethel Caroline.
William senior was listed as a Market Gardener in 1912 (William junior's marriage cert.). He was v. hard to find on electoral rolls as he was not always at the same home as his wife Jane (Jennie)... rather he seemed to be listed at a son's address ? His later occupation was that of "painter".
Burial records note that there was no headstone at Hillsborough for Jennie and William. Also I didn't find a Probate record for either of them.
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And so we return to Elizabeth JACKSON. ;D
Sorry, had a few possibles earmarked here in NZ, but alas they eventually proved to be "not the right person".
~ Lu
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Here's an interesting burial for an Elizabeth JACKSON, in Dunedin, in 1917.
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=2885&type=Burial
Mmm .. this seems to be the one which comes up at NZ BDM as *age 86" years with date of death (as deduced from that index) being 24 November 1917 ??? [ Born c. 1831 ? ]
~ Lu
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The Elizabeth JACKSON in my post above is possibly the person at the Sacred Heart Home, in the (unpurged?) 1919 electoral roll for Dunedin Central.
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The Elizabeth JACKSON in my post above is possibly the person at the Sacred Heart Home, in the (unpurged?) 1919 electoral roll for Dunedin Central.
A burial record for the same Elizabeth JACKSON :
Anderson's Bay Cemetery
Elizabeth JACKSON - 82 years - a widow - resident of Anderson's Bay
Died 24 November 1917 - buried 26 November 1917
Born : England.
[Source: Burial records Anderson's Bay Cemetery, Otago - ex ancestry.com]
~ Lu
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In the DCC record, Lu, it says died 21st November, "Native of GB." A lady of contradictions....
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Lu - I got this result for a death search on Scotland's People, for Elizabeth JACKSON, other surname WATT
JACKSON
ELIZABETH
77
1912
654/ 295
Rutherglen
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There is a passenger arrival, at London, from Sydney, of Elizabeth JACKSON, age 73, on 2nd June 1908, aboard the ship "Kent". She is Scotch.
On Ancestry.
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Hi Kim
Jane and William JACKSON did come to live in New Zealand, although I can't be precise with a timeframe.
They are buried together at Hillsborough Cemetery in Auckland > details at following link.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll
Search on JACKSON - Jennie* : See Return [1 of 1 ] - died April 1927
Search on JACKSON - William : See Returns [5 of 9 ] and [6 of 9 ] - died 1936
That link is not working try this one
https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cemeteries/Pages/find-burial-cremation.aspx
They are under Central and Hauraki Gulf Islands
Cheers Janette
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Hi John ... that result (Scotland death - 1912) looks perfect. ;)
~ Lu
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A snippet or two.........
Headstone- David Lithgow JACKSON
https://billiongraves.com/grave/David-Lithgow-Jackson/21946147
Christchurch City Council Cemeteries Database
Result Detail
Surname: Jackson
First name(s): David Lithgen*
Date of death: Monday, 20 February 1950
Cemetery: Ruru Lawn
Date of burial: Thursday, 23 February 1950
Block number: 21
Plot number: 196
Age: 63 years
Address:
Occupation: Retired Builder
Place of birth:
Years in New Zealand: 51
*Incorrectly recorded.
Minniehaha.
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Merry Christmas everyone
Sorry I haven't been online for a while...a little overwhelmed by all the response, Thank you so much...
Elizabeth was born 15/6/1835 in New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland, eldest daughter of William Alexander WATT & Jane HUTCHISON
she married Archibald Jackson 25/12/1855 in New Monkland, They had 10 children 9 boys & 1 girl all born in Scotland. The family emigrated to NSW Australia sometime after 1881 which is when they last appear in the Scottish Census. Archibald died 19/7/1905 in Wallsend. On his headstone it says "Erected by his loving wife" so Elizabeth was still alive at this point. Then she drops off the grid. She is not buried with Archibald or her daughter Jane Dunbar. I have found the deaths in NSW of her 3 Youngest children but not Elizabeth so I started looking for her son William & his wife Jane (Lithgow) who had emigrated to Australia some time after Elizabeth & Archibald. Nothing...then I found the death of William Lithgow Jackson in N.Z. & started to wonder if William & Jane had left Australia for N.Z. taking the elderly Elizabeth with them. Elizabeth was 70 when Archibald died. While the passenger to London From Sydney in 1917 does fit I doubt Elizabeth would be returning to The UK at such an advanced age when all her children were in Australia & N.Z. & with the exception of a brother (deceased) & sister in Queensland the rest of Elizabeth's family ( parents & siblings) emigrated to America... There would be nothing for her in Scotland
The children of William Jackson & Jane Lithgow
Jane
William Lithgow
David
Elizabeth
John
Alexander
James
I haven't gone any further than this with William & Jane because it is actually Elizabeth WATT I am looking for...she was the sister of my ancestor David Hutchison WATT. Elizabeth is the only sibling of his that I have lost track of.
Thank you all for your help
Oz Kim
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.... Elizabeth was 70 when Archibald died. While the passenger to London From Sydney in 1917 does fit I doubt Elizabeth would be returning to The UK at such an advanced age when all her children were in Australia & N.Z.
... wasn't that passenger list for 1908 ??? (not 1917) ???
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And the death of Elizabeth JACKSON, maiden name WATT, in Scotland in 1912, as noted above?
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... ;D I agree, John ... that 1912 death (Scotland) certainly worth checking further.
~ Lu
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Thanks guys
On reflection, Elizabeth & Archibald had two sons Andrew & Robert who did not appear to emigrate to Australia, I presumed they had died in Scotland but looking back they would have been adults if they were still living & could simply have remained in Scotland. The Watt Family researchers from the U.S. branch stated that Elizabeth died in Australia but that could have been just an assumption knowing that she had emigrated here. I will check the census records & maybe order this death certificate, perhaps Elizabeth did return to Scotland afterall. Thank you so much for all your help I have been going around in circles with this one
Kim
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You don't need to order the certificate - the register entry is available on Scotlands People, at a cost of 6 credits. I gave you the reference in my earlier post.
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Thank you Johnf04 already done...realised as soon as I posted, it appears Elizabeth did return to Scotland I have her death record & there's no mistake. The 1911 Scottish census, however, has her living with one of her younger sons, Alexander & his young family in scotland but I have a death for Alexander in NSW Australia 1961, which poses the question did Alexander return to Scotland at some point & then return to Australia or did he actually remain in Scotland when the family emigrated at the age of 15. But that's another area to chase up if I choose to go that far. my main issue was finding Elizabeth & I have done that with the help of all you wonderful people
Thank you all so much
Kim
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Nice work Johnf04 ... yours was a great find. :)
~ Lu
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Thank you, Lu. I'm pleased it was your relation, Kim. Alexander will be on shipping lists from Britain to Australia, if he returned there - they are on Ancestry.