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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: fabfamilyTree on Sunday 26 November 17 20:34 GMT (UK)
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Michael Keogh. Born Ireland 1864 Lived in Dublin, married and had two sons and three daughters with Elizabeth Clarke Died in James St Dublin 1934 and is buried in James St. Church, which has now become a distillery
A relative found a copy of medical Cert through Ancestry site, which might be him so we believe he joined Innerskilling Fusiliers in Oct 1892
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Michael Keogh on left
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Older with medals
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I suggested fabfamily Tree post the photo's here in the hope of getting the uniform's dated, I though maybe late WWI, and wondered if anyone can make out the regiment of the younger man from his cap badge.
I thought the older man's uniform looked a bit strange, a bit lacking in any kind of identifying markings!
Also can anyone identify the medals on the second picture, or is a higher res needed?
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The attestation to which that excerpt relates is dated 19 October 1882 for a 21 year old Michael Keogh, so unless he lied about his age by three years this isn't your guy unless some of the other facts match up.
The next of kin noted on the form is Ellen Keogh of 34 Sir John Rogerson's Quay (I think that's what the last word is).
It also says he deserted 28 February 1886 with no further service thereafter so it is interesting in itself that the document is included in the WWI records.
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There might be a closer match in the Chelsea Pensioners records for a Michael Keogh born 1863 in Dublin of the Royal Innerskilling if some-one with a better subscription than mine is able to take a look.
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Unfortunately I don't have the names of his parents yet, tbh that is what I am trying to find, but slight divertsion now to looking into his army history. Rather hoping he was not a deserter, but very difficult times. Here's hoping someone can access the Chelsea Pensioner records and we'll discover why he had all those medals..
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Given the date of enlistment, which I think is about 1883, my guess is that he served on the sub-continent in India or Burma, or maybe even South Africa.
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The medals appear to be,left to right, the 1914 Star or 1914-1915 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal. These are the standard campaign medals issued to all those with appropriate service. Isn't the correct spelling Inniskilling, just so as to avoid missing records when searching online etc?
Imber
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It looks like that Army record is a different Michael Keogh.
The man in question could have been born in Louth or Dublin, the Census record belived to be him says Louth in 1901 and Dublin in 1911.
Would it have been common for men in their 40s with no earlier service to join up at the start of WWI?
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Thank you for medal details and Correction re Innerskilling, although now seems uncertain if that was his regiment. For my Family Tree purpose it's not essential
I found the original digitised image and cropped for medals, if that would help tho' not very much better
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As has been said (assume 15 Star as no clasp & roses as per 14 Star) & BW & V medals.
Also he's wearing the SWB (Silver War Badge) given to men discharged through injury or sickness.
The other soldier is Army Service Corps.
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Ok many thanks .. to all,
I am now assuming the Inniskilling fusiliers lead was probably wrong and I should just reference Army Service Corps as his military career and that he was discharged through injury or sickness? Would there be a simple way to work out any dates?
Earlier there was mention of a record which fitted his dob in Chelsea records.. but I can't work out if that was also a no go?
I have also noted that Sarah Place, which is the family link which started all this, was once an army barracks/houses....
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The SWB list have been published by Ancestry.
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Yes, Ivfound that list after I posted query
Will have to join up tomorrow
Thanks
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He may not have been in the ASC. The other chap definitely was.
He's not showing a cap badge which appears odd to me.
One possible scenario is that he wanted a photo of himself in uniform with the other chap (possibly a son) but by this time (1916 on as they are wearing the economy tunic) he may have already been discharged.
So he's borrowed one & removed the cap badge as it wasn't his Regt.
Also (circumstantial) his top button is undone & both of his pockets. Unlikely for a serving soldier.
As I said just a guess.
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Should have asked this earlier, does anyone in the family still have the medals? If so, there should be a number on the rim of at least one of them.
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Unfortunately no medals are known of in family