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Title: trying to find out where my great grandmother Frances Jones was born
Post by: dorothyl on Monday 27 November 17 14:52 GMT (UK)
Hello  everyone.
Please can you help me with something? I've been trying to find out where my great granmother Frances Jones was born and where her son was born. I'm having trouble trying to find out. I seem to be going round in circles.
I'm going by what my mum told me and what I have recently found out. But not where they both was. Actually born.
My great gran. Frances Jones had siblings brothers and sisters. But dob's unknown. My grandad Alfred evan Jones. Is the son of Frances Jones.
My great gran Frances Jones was born 12th of march. I'm not sure if it was 1887 /1890's it's round about that year. My mum said her gran might have been born 1887. And she was unmarried and never married. And only had one child who was Alfred Evan Jones. He was born 27th September 1910. But what I found out he was registered until 1914. So they might think he was actually born in 1914.
According to Manchester register office in England. They said it's possible my grandads mum was embarrassed to register his birth as she had him out of wedlock. Or she could have completely forgotten to register him until 1914.

My mum mentioned something about her dad being in Rhos on sea. I think she said he was born there.
Here is where I get confused.
My mum told me her gran was living in England. And she asked her employer can she bring her son to stay with her as she was living in where she was working. Her employer ask how old her son was. She said 15. And she sent for her son. So there's this big gap. Where was my grandad living or living with while his mum was over in England working. ?
My mum had a good memory. But for the last few months she usually got confused with things or she forgot or got mixed up. Her memory was going like it would have been at her somone her age.
I only wish that I had enough time to ask her about her gran and her dad. She only told me bits at a time.

Anyway please can you help me find out where my grandad was born and if my great gran was born as well..
Thank you for your help I really do appreciate it
Your's sincerely
Mrs Dorothy Lucas
Title: Re: Help
Post by: Gibel on Monday 27 November 17 15:27 GMT (UK)
Please can you give all the details from Alfred Evan Jones birth certificate

Is he the Alfred Evan Jones recorded as born 17/09/1910 and died 9/08/1946 buried in the Southern cemetery in Manchester?
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 27 November 17 15:33 GMT (UK)
Is this his birth registration  :-\

Sep qtr 1914 
Alfred E Jones  mothers maiden name  Jones   
Chorlton reg district    8c   1401

Who did he marry & when
Title: Re: Help
Post by: Gibel on Monday 27 November 17 16:03 GMT (UK)
If your Alfred Evan Jones is the one in Southern Cemetery also in the grave is William Hopwood Jones born about 1869 and died in 1907

William Hopwood Jones married Ellen Tomlinson in Warrington 5 November 1888

In 1891 the couple are at 42 Brick Street Warrington they have 2 children George aded 1 and Frances 3 weeks. William is a bootmaker.

The daughter Frances was born 11 March 1891 and christened 29 March 1891in Warrington

However to prove this is correct you need to give us some definite information Alfred's birth certificate, marriage certificate and death certificate would be good!
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Monday 27 November 17 16:12 GMT (UK)
Hello.
Thank you for your e-mail.
My grandad  married  my  granma  in about  1933. I was told by registra office in wales. That she had found  a name  for  Alfred evan Jones. And eveline shulman. And marriage Quarter  December  1933. Which I don't understand.
I don't understand  the meaning of Quarters. Which is confusing me. I keep thinking I'm  being  told the wrong  information.  I know  my grandad  is buried in southern cemetery.

My grandads  mum  was called  Frances Jones. She never married and only had  1 child  which was my grandad.
I also  know  my great gran  passed away in hattersly. And was found behind her front door. By who I don't know.

If there is anything  you can help me with about  both my  great gran  Frances Jones  and  my grandad.  I would  really appreciate it.  I don't even  know  where my mum's  birth mum  was actually born. As there is no trace of her in Scotland. Where my mum said she was born. My mum's mum  did live in England  until  the late  1950's. She moved to Scotland. Where she stayed  until she died in 1998.
Anyway  thank you again.  As I say  I would  really  appreciate any help and anything on my  mum's  family.
 Thank you
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 27 November 17 16:18 GMT (UK)
Marriage December qtr 1933 
Jones    Alfred E   
Schulman    Eveline   
Manchester S.    8d   357

This is from the index of marriages of the General Register Office in England (Southport, Lancashire) normally referred to on here as the GRO.  The indexes are compiled in Quarters.  December qtr would normally mean that the marriage took place in the 3 months leading up to 31 December ie October/November/December
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Monday 27 November 17 16:22 GMT (UK)
Hi  again,
Thank you for your other  message.
I can't believe  it. My mum was telling me about a relative  called  Alfred william Hopwood Jones.. she called him grandad pop.  My mum said her gran  Frances Jones  was born 12th of march. But didn't know what year. Maybe  she was out by a day. 
I can't  believe  that  I'm hopefully  on my way to find my grandad  and his mum.

I have  applied  for  my grandparents marriage certificate at the registra office in Manchester.  I'm just waiting for it to arrive.  I don't  know where  abouts my grandad was born.  As there is no trace of him in wales.  My mum said he was born Rhos on sea.  But has no idea where. 
I can't ask my mum. Because I lost her in march  this year. 
I would really like to finish off what I started for her even though she isn't  here. I don't  want to give up.
Thank you again for your help.I do really appreciate it.
Thank you
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Monday 27 November 17 16:28 GMT (UK)
Hi  once again.
 The lady at Wales register office  said she found  a Alfred evan Jones and shulman
 And said  she thinks  Manchester  S . Sounds  as if it means  Manchester  South.

Now I'm  worried  if the registra office in Manchester.  Would  be able  to  send  my grandparents marriage certificate.  Because  I said  to them at the office.  I was told December  Quarter. 1933. And Manchester  s  .

I have hopefully  sent you what I was sent by Alison from Wales register office.
And I hope that it makes sense.
Thank you again for your help
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 27 November 17 16:33 GMT (UK)
This may be Frances in 1911 Llandrillo Yn Rhos her place of birth Warrington
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VK-N4G
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Monday 27 November 17 16:48 GMT (UK)
Thank you  again.
 I'm just wondering  if  my grandad  was  born in wales.  Because of what my mum told me.
  I don't know anything else about  him  apart from  his dob  he was registered in England 1914. 
 I was told by the registra office in Manchester. Maybe  his mum was to embarrassed  to register him  due to being an unmarried women.  Or maybe  she completely  forgotten to register him. But I have somewhere.  It says  register date  / year  1914.
 
Would it make any difference  with the registra office in Manchester. To the difference  of what I've been told. By the registra office in wales.  I told the management register office. That I was told the s after  Manchester  sounds  like  south.  It is bothering me now.  I just hope that they can find my grandparents marriage certificate.

It's worrying me because  when you're on a budget  and have to save  money up  to buy  what you  want.  Which I have to do. And I can only buy 1 certificate at a time when I can.
Anyway  thank you again for all your help.
Yours sincerely
Mrs Dorothy Lucas
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 27 November 17 16:56 GMT (UK)
If Manchester can't find it they should refund your money.   

The cheapest place to get certificates is from the GRO using references that you can generally find on freebmd -  https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Link to GRO - https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Marriages are £9.25 including postage.
Certain births and deaths are available as PDF's -see the page I have linked.  PDF's are ideal for family history and currently cost £6.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 27 November 17 17:01 GMT (UK)
Looks like William remarried so Ellen must have died pre 1901 census, maybe after birth of William Jnr as Ernest looks like William/Edith's son. Think both were widowed when married?

Marriages Mar Q 1899   Same page
Jones    William Hopwood        Chorlton    8c   895    
Matthews    Edith Maria        Chorlton    8c   895    

1901 for family https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GW-RMW William a Shoemaker.

1891 for ref https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7W5B-CW2 William a Shoemaker.

Bapt of Frances https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF25-5BD

Marriage of William/Ellen https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFNH-Z4N

Cas
Title: Re: Help
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 27 November 17 17:09 GMT (UK)
Manchester should be able to find the 1933 entry - the marriage, according to LancashireBMD, took place "Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended" and the Registers are in Manchester. 

William Hopwood and Edith were married at St Clement, Longsight.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 27 November 17 17:16 GMT (UK)
16 January 1899 - St Clement, Longsight - by Banns
William Hopwood Jones, 29, Widower, Shoemaker of 189 Earl Street.  Father:  George, Shoemaker
Edith Maria Matthews, 21, spinster of 189 Earl Street.  Father:  George, Shoemaker

Witnesses:  William Ernest Matthews and Alice Matthews

Title: Re: Help
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 27 November 17 17:31 GMT (UK)
William Hopwood Jones
Birth year   1869
Baptism date   09 Jul 1875
Residence   Warrington, Lancashire, England
Father   George Jones
Mother   Elizabeth Jones
Record set   England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Mothers maiden name was Hopwood. George/Elizabeth married 1859 Warrington, vol 8C
Page   152

JONES, WILLIAM  HOPWOOD  mmn   HOPWOOD     
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in WARRINGTON  Volume 08C  Page 158
 

Cas
Title: Re: Help
Post by: Gibel on Monday 27 November 17 17:38 GMT (UK)
Edith Maria remarries in 1913 to Henry Waterhouse. Both of them are in the same grave as William Hopwood Jones and Alfred Evan Jones in the Southern Cemetery.

Title: Re: Help
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 27 November 17 17:57 GMT (UK)
Grrrrhh!  Warrington is one of those towns which alternates between Lancashire and Cheshire.

Marriage venue for Elizabeth Hopwood and George Jones is St Elphin - CheshireBMD

Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Monday 27 November 17 18:06 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I can't  believe  how  much  you  have found out  for me.
If my mum was  here. She would  be  really  pleased.  As she didn't know much about her  gran.

I was wondering. If my great gran  Frances Jones was born in cholton. Which sounds correct.  How and where would she have had her son Alfred evan Jones? 

Perhaps  I miss understood  something  my mum said as she use to  switch from one conversation to another  which mad me laugh. I'd use to say what's that got to do with what you are telling me.  Then she would find the funny side.
What I mean  bye me misunderstanding  my mum. Perhaps  she mentioned  Rhos on sea.  For another reason.  Like she was in Abergele hospital from the age of 3.until  she was 8. She had a T.B Spine  due to being  thrown out of a wheel Barrow by 2 boys while playing.  Her dad would have gone to see her I think.  I do know  she said during her stay in hospital  her dad was in a ward  behind  her. What made me laugh  is when she said she figured away out of her plaster.  She would wriggle out of it. Then stand on it to look over the curtains  round her bed. When she knew that  a nurse was coming  she would  wriggle back into it.  This was just before she was sent home she said. I think  she wanted to come  home. 

Also  what I would like to add  is. There is a Edith  in  Frances Jones family.
My mum gave  me  a  lot of family members  names  but didn't know  any  birth days  or anything like that.
Thank you again for all your help.
I really do appreciate it thank you.
Yours sincerely
Mrs Dorothy Lucas
Title: Re: Help
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 27 November 17 20:19 GMT (UK)
Likely Birth of mother of Frances Jones

TOMLINSON, ELLEN     -     No mothers maiden name listed so likely illegitimate
GRO Reference: 1872  M Quarter in WARRINGTON  Volume 08C  Page 195   

Age 17 at marriage Nov 1888. Also no father listed on marriage info.

Likely death
Name:   Age at Death (in years):    
JONES, ELLEN    Age   21     
GRO Reference: 1893  S Quarter in WARRINGTON  Volume 08C  Page 151   

Cas
Title: Re: Help
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 27 November 17 20:25 GMT (UK)
1881 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-4WKJ for Ellen

Frances Tomlinson married Peter Leicester in 1877, but is recorded as a widow in 1881.

So seems likely that Frances Jones was named after her grandmother Frances Tomlinson.

Cas
Title: Re: Help
Post by: elzabels on Tuesday 28 November 17 00:50 GMT (UK)
As mentioned earlier you can order a .pdf of this certificate for £6.00 from
www.gro.gov.uk

JONES, FRANCES       TOMLINSON     
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in WARRINGTON  Volume 08C  Page 222

Moderator comment: Details from the 1911 census and 1939 Register have been removed. You may only post information available from free search results not transcriptions or images.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355485.0
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Tuesday 28 November 17 01:04 GMT (UK)
Hi again.
My mum said my great gran  Frances Jones was born 12th of march. But didn't know the  year  or couldn't remember  it.  My grandparents  Alfred evan Jones  ( the son of Frances ) and eveline Jones  ( eveline  was born eveline shulman )  they was living at 59.rusholme road cholton on Medlock Manchester.  That address  is on my mum's birth certificate.  So I'm not sure  if  my great gran Frances Jones was  living in the same house.  According to my mum my great gran  didn't  like  my mum's mam.  If I remember  wrightly.  I could be wrong on that bit. I know  my great gran  wasn't  pleased about something.  Maybe  it was my grans  background.  My gran  eveline shulman  her dad was a German jew.  Which I only found out myself  a few year's ago.  I think  my  mum  knew  about  her mum's  background  and tried  to forget about it.  Because  my mum's grandfather  David Joseph shulman  (the father of eveline ) died  in  the  1920s
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 07:21 GMT (UK)
Hi again.
My mum said my great gran  Frances Jones was born 12th of march. But didn't know the  year  or couldn't remember  it. 

The birth registration for Frances given to you by Elzabels in June qtr 1891 can be for a March birth.  The parents did not have to register it immediately they were given a few weeks so it would not always be shown in the quarter that they were born
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Wednesday 29 November 17 20:05 GMT (UK)
Hi.
I've just been reading the message again.
You mentioned a Alfred evan Jones  as being born 17th September 1910 and passed away  9th of august 1946.

My grandad was born on the 27th of September 1910. But apparently  according to a  document I found somewhere  I saved  from a few year's ago.  It says  he was born in wales  ( which I'm not sure  because of  I've been told  2 different   places  and there is no trace of my grandad  being born in wales )   
It says registered  1914. It has the correct  dob on him.
I just don't understand  why  his not registered in wales.   He is buried in southern cemetery Manchester. I know that because my mum told me. As she visited  his grave  when she was younger.  After she had us all
Perhaps  he was born in England.  Which is very difficult for me to find out.
I feel like I've hit a brick wall. 
Thank you again for your help and time.

I really do appreciate all the help  this group  is giving me.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: lancsann on Thursday 30 November 17 13:42 GMT (UK)
The burial of the Ellen Jones age 21

Burial: 12 Jul 1893 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Ellen Jones -
    Age: 21 years
    Abode: Church St.

possible connection

Burial: 1 Oct 1893 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancs.
Sarah Jones -
    Age: 7 months
    Abode: 81 Church St.

JONES, SARAH    mmn =WHITTLE     WARRINGTON  Volume 08C  Page 274 (birth)
Title: Re: Help
Post by: heywood on Thursday 30 November 17 14:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Dorothy,

Here is a link to your new thread re your grandfather’s birth

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783435.msg6381157#msg6381157

I have asked there if you have got the birth certificate for Alfred b 1910 to check the details?

Heywood
Title: Re: Help
Post by: josey on Friday 01 December 17 21:50 GMT (UK)
You mentioned a Alfred evan Jones  as being born 17th September 1910 and passed away  9th of august 1946.
My grandad was born on the 27th of September 1910.

It's not impossible that they refer to the same man. It's possible the '1' of '17' was written unclearly or the figure was mistranscribed.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Saturday 02 December 17 06:19 GMT (UK)
Hi josey.
 All I know is that my grandad was born 27th September 1910 which my mum told me. Because she remembers it as my dad was born the same as my grandad.  She said he was born in wales. Apparently the registra office as no details of him. When I was 1st  searching for him I came up with his details. But registered in 1914.
When I asked for advice at a different register office. I was told it is possible my grandads  mother may have been too embarrassed to register him. Or she completely forgotten.  And I was told you didn't always need to register a baby like we do now within the time limit. My grandads mum wasn't married and never married..
I was advised to get my grandparents marriage certificate so I can check my grandads age  and then go back words  to see the year he was born. I did that. It says he was 19. So it would make him born 1914. Which brings the date to when he was registered. It also says  my gran  was 24 when she married my grandad.  I went back words  to see if her year of birth  was the same as I knew it. It comes up with she was born 1909. Which I know isn't true. Because  her dob is on her death certificate.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 02 December 17 08:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Dorothy

I really think that you need to purchase this 1914 certificate which would confirm any information that your mother has told you  ;)
ALFRED EVAN JONES
1914  September Quarter
CHORLTON reg dist
Volume 08C  Page 1401   

As you know who his mother was so you would know if you had the wrong certificate.  This really is the only way to sort out this problem as to when and where he was born.

Rosie
Title: Re: Help
Post by: Gibel on Saturday 02 December 17 08:22 GMT (UK)
I agree with Rosie99, the only way to sort out the mystery is to buy the birth certificate as given above.

Title: Re: Help
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 02 December 17 09:01 GMT (UK)
We appear to have conflicting information:

Dorothy says that Alfred Evan was born 27 September 1910 in Wales.
FreeBMD/GRO shows a birth registration for Alfred Evan in September quarter 1914 - Manchester

Findagrave shows an entry for Alfred Evan in Southern Cemetery - born 27 September 1910, died 9 August 1946
FreeBMD shows a death registration in September quarter 1946 - Manchester Registration District aged 31 and this is confirmed on the GRO website as Alfred Evan Jones aged 31

If Alfred Evan was born in 1910 then he would be more than 31 years old when he died in 1946.


I have posted this on the other thread as well
Title: Re: Help
Post by: heywood on Saturday 02 December 17 09:05 GMT (UK)
It is confusing re the dates.
That is why the birth certificate should be checked to confirm or otherwise if that is Frances’ son.

That birth is the one we keep going back to and Dorothy doesn’t agree with.

It has been suggested that 1939 register is checked.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 02 December 17 09:21 GMT (UK)
I have had a quick look at the 1939 but there are a lot of Alfred Jones with or without the E, and I can't seem to tie in Eveline with any of them  :-\

And, in my eyes, another pointer to 1914 birth being correct is that Dorothy says that Alfred Evan was aged 19 when he married Eveline Schulman in December quarter 1933. 
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 02 December 17 10:42 GMT (UK)
The birth certificate could always be ordered with the condition that the mother was Frances Jones but it would not then be available as a PDF  ???
Title: Re: Help
Post by: josey on Saturday 02 December 17 13:02 GMT (UK)
On freebmd I can only find one female post 1933 birth Jones/Shulman & it's in 1944. Did Dorothy say her mother was born in 1937?

The birth certificate could always be ordered with the condition that the mother was Frances Jones but it would not then be available as a PDF  ???
Yes, I think that's right.

Dorothy, when you can afford it, this certificate you are being advised to buy by the experienced family history researchers on rootschat is the only way to rule in or out the 1914 Arthur Evan Jones. And however sad, I think we all have to recognise at some stage that things we were told by an older generation may have been wrongly remembered or embellished.

Title: Re: Help
Post by: groom on Saturday 02 December 17 13:07 GMT (UK)
I agree with Josey, unless you get the certificate to either prove or rule out that birth, we are going round in circles.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Tuesday 05 December 17 12:54 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone.
 Thank you for your help. And advice.   I will do that.
 It does make a lot of sence.
 
 I know my grandad was married in Manchester  and he passed away in Manchester. 
 So I think  it's possible  he was born in Manchester.  I only hope  he was.
 And like you   all said  I will just be going round in circles.   
 Thank you again for your help. 
 You all are very helpful.   
I didn't realise that you all are proper family  history researchers.   I only found out this when I read a reply  from  a member of the group.
Thank you again.   I really do appreciate your help. Thank you
Title: Re: Help
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 05 December 17 13:02 GMT (UK)
It seems the best thing to do Dorothy.
Please come back and let us know when you get the certificate. :)
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Tuesday 05 December 17 13:04 GMT (UK)
Hi
Apart from the register office in Manchester.  Where is the other places I can buy my grandads birth certificate?
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 05 December 17 13:09 GMT (UK)
From here as a PDF for £6  or £9.25 for a certificate
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Note that a PDF is not a certificate but has exactly the same information it is just not 'printed' on the official paper document
Title: Re: Help
Post by: lancsann on Tuesday 05 December 17 13:09 GMT (UK)
Just a little tip which might help those of us looking at your post.

When you say eg 'my grandad' it might be helpful if you named him on that post as especially now we are into 5 pages trying to find which post had the name in takes time. People like me can't remember names from one minute to the next if they are not directly linked to ourselves!

Thank you for saying we are 'proper researchers'. Really in general we are people who have been researching our own families for a while and along the way have picked up information on what & where to look for things, as you no doubt will do as you continue.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Tuesday 05 December 17 14:08 GMT (UK)
Hi again.
Thank you for your advice.  I wasn't sure  if  I could  put my grandads  name or his details.
My grandad  is Alfred evan Jones. 

I'm beginning to think  it's possible  he was born in England.  And in Manchester  somewhere in Manchester. 
And it is possible  my mum might have got a wrong year. .but has the month and date  wright.

So what I was thinking of doing.  When I go to get my grandads birth certificate  ( Alfred evan Jones ) 
Put born Manchester.  And for the year.  Put   1910 - 1914 what do you think?.

I sent a  email to the registra office in Manchester asking them a question  about  my grandad  having the same surname as his mum and his dad  but his mum wasn't married. And never married.  They rereplied to me and suggested  I contact the Ansetry  people  as they only  issue certificates. 

My grandad  was Alfred Evan Jones.
My great gran  was Frances Jones.
My grandads  father was  called John Jones.
His name is on my grandparents marriage certificate. 
It says fathers surname and rank of profession.   John jones vanman deceased

So how can my grandad. My great gran. And  my grandads father  have the same surname  Jones  if my grandad was born out of wedlock. And his mum wasn't married and never got married. 

It's really confusing.  I really don't understand it at all.  It might help on his birth certificate.
Thank you again for your help
I really do appreciate everyone's help.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 05 December 17 14:22 GMT (UK)
Ignore any name he has given as his father on the marriage certificate, he was probably making it up it happens often on marriages.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: groom on Tuesday 05 December 17 17:52 GMT (UK)

So what I was thinking of doing.  When I go to get my grandads birth certificate  ( Alfred evan Jones ) 
Put born Manchester.  And for the year.  Put   1910 - 1914 what do you think?.

 

No, Dorothy, they wont issue you one if you do that. You have to state date, district and reference number.  You know the certificate that you want, it was given to you earlier.

ALFRED EVAN JONES
1914  September Quarter
CHORLTON reg dist
Volume 08C  Page 1401   

Have a look at the GRO page  www.gro.gov.uk   that takes you through exactly what you need to do.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Tuesday 05 December 17 22:01 GMT (UK)
Hi rosey
 Thank you for your e-mail. 
 I'm  glad you said that. I wasn't sure what to put. I've not done these  before.
I had the same problem  when I was applying for my grandparents marriage certificate.  I had no idea  where they was living or anything.  I just went by my mum's birth certificate.  I got the full copy of that. That's how I found out  my grandad was 19  when he got married to my gran eveline. And she was 24.
Which I found strange.  2 reasons.  1st  she was older than him. I've always thought  men are usually older than women.  And 2nd.  When I wanted to check see if my grans  birth year was  wright.  I did my sums  and it came back  she was born 1909.when she was actually born 1911.  Which is on her death certificate. And my mum told me.
And when I did the same on my grandad.  His year  came back to 1914.
They got married  in  1933
Anyway thank you again for your help and advice.
I wouldn't  have got this far without  this group.  Thank you again .

Dorothy
Title: Re: Help
Post by: groom on Tuesday 05 December 17 22:12 GMT (UK)
Quote
When I wanted to check see if my grans  birth year was  wright.  I did my sums  and it came back  she was born 1909.when she was actually born 1911.  Which is on her death certificate. And my mum told me.

I think what you have to remember, as has been said earlier, you can't always go on what family members say as things get changed or distorted. In earlier times people weren't so concerned with dates as we are - they didn't have to give their date of birth on practically every form as we do!

I would guess the reason she "lost" 2 years was that she was older that her husband, so by doing that it made them appear nearer in age. Remember as well that death certificates are only as good as the information given by the person who registers the death. So if the person who registered her death thought she was born 1911, that is what would go on the certificate. Really, date wise, death certificates are the most unreliable.
Title: Re: Help
Post by: dorothyl on Tuesday 05 December 17 22:31 GMT (UK)
 Hi again.
I had to do this when my mum passed away. 
It was really  strange.  Me having to register my mum. Everything  I told  them at the time is actually on her death certificate.  So that's  when I thought  I do similar on my grandparents marriage certificate and double check the years they was born.  My grandad Alfred evan Jones  was  born 1914 which some  members  have found out for  me. But my grans  was afew year's out.
It is strange  how  things are.