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Title: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: kiwigeoff on Tuesday 28 November 17 05:59 GMT (UK)
Hello all.
Would it be possible for someone with access to the 1939 register transcriptions to lookup details of  William Edward Maloney living at Batley MB, Yorkshire, England for me. I currently have a subscription to FindMyPast but the register is not included. My ancestor was born 10th March 1890 and there appears to be only one born between 1888 and 1892 so the one in the register is likely mine.
Thankyou.
kiwigeoff
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 07:48 GMT (UK)
Hi

Sorry, we are not allowed to do 1939 register look ups.  The birth date information (1889 on the free index) does not match the date you have given, the free search allows you to play with dates
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 08:06 GMT (UK)
Did he remain in England, was he married.  I am trying to locate a death for him  :-\
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 08:17 GMT (UK)
Did he remain in England, was he married.  I am trying to locate a death for him  :-\

The only death that I can see is
William E Maloney Age 76
Death Dec 1965 - Spen Valley, Yorkshire    :-\
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: kiwigeoff on Tuesday 28 November 17 09:31 GMT (UK)
Hello Kay 99 and rosie99.
I didn't realize the situation regarding the 1939 register, makes sense I suppose.
William Edward was my Grandmother's cousin and in the 1891 census, can be found under the surname "Swindler",his grandmother is Mary Swindler, he is aged one. My grandmother was Mary E Swindles, age  four. The correct surname spelling was "Swindells". I have William's birth certificate and his mother was Mary Jane Maloney, formally Swindells but as she was not married i think the father, George Maloney, was a fabrication.
Mary Jane never seems to appear in records following the birth record and William Edward also disappears following the 1891 census. Finding him in the 1939 register was a possible break through as you can see. The age given in 1939 would indicate a birth of 1889 but with an actual birth date of March 1890 could still well be the right person.
The death you found Kay could well be my man and it may be worth my getting the certificate.
Obviously, i was hoping the 1939 record would lead me to family members.
Thanks for your thoughts.
kiwigeoff.
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 09:38 GMT (UK)
The age given in 1939 would indicate a birth of 1889 but with an actual birth date of March 1890 could still well be the right person.
The death you found Kay could well be my man and it may be worth my getting the certificate.

If you play with the search on the 1939 register inputting 1889 plus a month at a time against that record you will see what date of birth has been given as it will not find the record until you have the correct month, you can then do the same for the day.  The free search should also suggest whether there are any other people living with him

The death certificate possibly won't help, unless the informant was a relative.

When do you last have him on census
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: kiwigeoff on Tuesday 28 November 17 09:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks rosie.
The one and only census was 1891, age 1. I'll try your suggestion tomorrow, getting late in NZ.
kiwigeoff.
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 10:15 GMT (UK)
1891 census has a William Maloney age 1 living in Batley with his parents John & Kate and siblings.  I wonder if that is the 1939 one  :-\

I believe the reason for not being allowed to post 1939 register details is that F M P  have the copyright to the images & their T&C's don't allow look ups
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 10:16 GMT (UK)
I think this is that Batley one

Births Dec 1889 
Malloney    William Edward        Dewsbury    9b   593

Dewsbury RD covers Batley
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 28 November 17 10:42 GMT (UK)

William Edward was my Grandmother's cousin and in the 1891 census, can be found under the surname "Swindler",his grandmother is Mary Swindler, he is aged one. My grandmother was Mary E Swindles, age  four.

William is listed as William E Maloney on that census
1891 - RG12/3196 f107 p17
Mary Swindles 59 bn Ireland
Hannah (do) 26
George H Maloney 13 grandson
Mary E Swindles 4 g'dtr
William E Maloney 1 grandson
all born Manchester (Except Mary age 59)


Possible birth registrations for the boys
MALONEY, GEORGE  HENRY     -     
1878  March Quarter
CHORLTON RD  Volume 08C  Page 854  Occasional Copy: A

MALONEY, WILLIAM  EDWARD     mmn SWINDELLS     
1890  June Quarter
CHORLTON  RD Volume 08C  Page 869
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: kiwigeoff on Tuesday 28 November 17 20:14 GMT (UK)
Thankyou rosie for your interest and yes, the 2 births are correct, Mary Jane didn't claim a father for George Henry and the 1891 census was the correct one, what a mixed up family.
My brickwall remains resolutely standing.
Regards.
kiwilong.
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 29 November 17 10:37 GMT (UK)
Have you found Mary Swindles born Ireland on census after 1891
Title: Re: William Edward Maloney born 1890, Hulme, Manchester.
Post by: kiwigeoff on Sunday 03 December 17 04:39 GMT (UK)
Hello rosie. Sorry, only just seen your latest post.
Both my g grandmother and gg grandmother died shortly after the 1891 census, my g grandmother Hannah Bella Swindells on the 13th April,1892  age 28, and her mother, Mary died 23rd June 1892, again surname Swindells and age 59. Hannah Bella of TB and Mary chronic bronchitis.
My grandmother, Mary Ellen born April 1887 would have been 5 years old and she was apparently taken on  by a Frederick Joseph Ohara and his wife, not sure when though. I had wondered if William Edward went the same way if his mother had abandoned him.
Until I became interested in family history we actually thought my grand mother was Mary Ellen Ohara and so were unable to find a marriage. My mother's birth certificate was the short version and did not give her mother's maiden name. Cheers. kiwigeoff.
Thanks for your continued interest.
kiwigeoff.