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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: christina279 on Tuesday 28 November 17 12:16 GMT (UK)
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hi im looking for the parents of peter stewart born abt 1816 tomnaguie married christian stewart 13 jan 1850 on death says father peter mother isobel fraser but i cant find any marriage
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Peter Stewart and Christian Stewart were both living at Tomnaguie (Tom na gaoith) when they married and Peter looks as if had taken over the farm only a few years recently as the 1841 census shows no continuation of a Stewart family from 1841 to 1851. Christian Stewart may have been a farm servant as there are no other Stewarts farming Tomnaguie in 1851.
Given the age of Peter in the 1851 census, and assuming that he came from Blair Atholl parish, there are two possible candidates in the 1841 census: Peter aged 20 years (District 10 page 1) and Peter aged 24 years (District 11 page 3).
The 24 year old Peter is at Raonmore (Runmore) and married Hellen McDonald in Newtonmore, Kingussie, 29 Dec 1844.
The 20 year old Peter (and remember that ages were adjusted in the 1841 census) was a farmer at Riemoraig. The head of the family was Isabella Stewart aged 55 years (presumably his mother).
There is no indication that Peter was married. This looks a definite possibility.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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hi im looking for the parents of peter stewart born abt 1816 tomnaguie married christian stewart 13 jan 1850 on death says father peter mother isobel fraser but i cant find any marriage
On the death cert for mothers name does it say Isabel Fraser or Isabel Stewart MS Fraser
If it is the first one this could indicate his parents weren't married
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It says mother Isobel Fraser
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My great grandfather was peter born 1859 died Grangemouth his dad was peter mum Christian married 1850 I have his death says father peter mum Isobel Fraser but like you say no marriage cert found his information was given by son John who was staying in Glasgow
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It says mother Isobel Fraser
This means that Peter was illegitimate and his parents didn't marry So if you try to look for a christening record I would check out Stewart or Fraser also check Peter or Patrick as these names were interchangeable
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He died in auchtergaven
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My great grandfather was peter born 1859 died Grangemouth his dad was peter mum Christian married 1850 I have his death says father peter mum Isobel Fraser but like you say no marriage cert found his information was given by son John who was staying in Glasgow
Registration of Scottish records didn't start until 1855 so anything prior to that will be from the Parish books
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His name was Stewart so it has Isobel Stewart Msn Stewart
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Sorry Wendy it should have said M n Fraser I got my info from borenich of marriage 1850 also got opr
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Troth Christian Stewart dad was Allan Stewart mum Janet seaton
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Just checked Scotlands People there is a William Stewart and Isobel Fraser that have some children christened in Blair Atholl including a Peter christened 25 Sep 1811 Could the fathers name be wrong on the death cert
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Allan Stewart Janet Seatton Balrobie Christian 15 Aug 1828
Allan Stewart Janet Seaton Balrobie Duncan 30 Jun 1831
Allan Stewart Janet Seaton Balrobie Duncan 26 Jan 1832
Allan Stewart Janet Seaton Balrobie Susan 12 Aug 1833
Allan Stewart Janet Seaton Balrobie Margaret 30 Apr 1837
Allan Stewart in Balrobie and Janet Seatton in Fonbhuick (Fonvuick), married 11 Nov 1827.
The baptism of Duncan is recorded twice in the Blair Atholl OPR. The first entry is dated 26 Jan 1832, and this is probably the correct date. The second OPR entry of 30 Jun 1831 (and only IGI database entry) was written at a much later date, possibly in 1854, where there is no chronological order to the entries.
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hi wendy yes i seen william i thought that to but no proof most of my info i have on my Stewart cameron and seaton i got from throth only one cant crack is peter number 3
william and isobel ended up shop keepers where mine was farmers think it was pitlochry
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hi troth can you help me could my peter be the son of william and isobel as peter and christian first born boy is william hope you can help
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hi troth can you help me could my peter be the son of william and isobel as peter and christian first born boy is william hope you can help
What were the names of their children in order As tradionally the first born son was named after the paternal grandfather it may help to see if Peter and Christian followed this
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William was peter and Christian oldest boy
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You need more than a single name to be certain that they are following traditional naming patterns. Second son after maternal grandfather, eldest daughter after maternal grandmother, second eldest daughter after paternal grandmother. And remember that by this time the tradition was dying out.
We can provide you with families and where they were living up until civil registration in 1855, but the baptisms in the 1800s are not a true representation of the number of children born in Blair Atholl parish. Some were baptised by the Episcopalian church and some parents never got round to it.
William Stewart and Isabel Fraser may have been Peter's parents but you need to track the family and see if their Peter disappears when you ancestor appears.
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie Ann 4 Dec 1801
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie James 21 Jan 1803
William Stewart Isobel Frazer Kincraigie Donald 22 Nov 1804
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie John 16 Dec 1806
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie Isobel 20 Sep 1808
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie Catharine 15 May 1810
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie Peter 22 Sep 1811
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie Charles 6 Apr 1813
William Stewart Isobel Fraser Kincraigie William 4 Apr 1815
Another possibility is Peter Stewart and Isobel Ferguson in Middlebridge. They may have had a son Peter.
Basically you need someone to do a bit of digging in the rentals. When did Peter take out the lease on Tomnaguie? Are there any comments from the Factor? If this is the same Peter and mother Isabel at Riemoraig, if so what was the name of Peter's father who would have had the lease?
The Moulin minister made out a census before 1841 of his parish but also included some of Blair Atholl parish. It would be worth finding out if Riemoraig was included.
We would suggest that you get Marigold Massie (Old Oak Genealogy) to use her local expertise to do some digging and get you past this problem, then you can do your own research. Not certain what her rates are, but she can be contacted through the Moulin Family History Group. Here is the link:
http://www.pitlochryandmoulinheritagecentre.co.uk/north-perthshire-family-history-group/news.html
Throth
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thanks troth i will try what you say as this is a brick wall i did william and isobel big bit done on linebut the time frame didnt work as i was searching for the son of william and isobel also called william who was married to a isobel fraser and run a shop in aberfeldy
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still no found out parents waiting for blair castle rent records so maybe a help
thank you all
christina
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throth
still no heard from blair castle about my peter but have found that a robert stewart was tennant in 1841 census wife elizabeth setton married 3/6/1832 they have a son peter but he is 5 and oldest boy so maybe a brother or uncle or nothing trying to tie them up
christina
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We hope that you are all happy with our findings concerning Peter Stewart's family. A lot of hard work and a bit of luck..............
Here is the link:
http://www.borenich.co.uk/Ross_Document/Stewart_Pat_Tomnaguie.html
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Quite by accident we came across the following for Peter's mother, Isabella Fraser, widow of William Stewart. Died 2nd June 1864 at Middlebridge aged 82 years. Parents given as Donald Fraser, farmer, and Ann Stewart, both deceased. Informant was her son Donald, living at Clachan (of Struan). He's in the census there with his wife and family.
Isabella's trail leads back to the two Donald Frasers, one at Wester Monzie and the other at Raonroy (Runroy), and you can narrow down the pre-1745 marriage as there is an illegitimate daughter, Grissel, by John Seaton in Raonroy
Happy hunting,
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hi troth
Thanks again for new info in aus watched my grandson compete will look in to rest when back in Scotland next week thanks again
Christina
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Peter Stewart's uncle was 'Old Peter' Fraser, head stalker to the Duke of Atholl. Queen Victoria mentions 'Old Peter' in her diary when she visited Blair Atholl in 1844 and 1861.
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Thank you troth for your info that’s really exciting news
Christina x
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cant find bith of old peter
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The family is on the web-site. He was baptised as Patrick.
http://www.borenich.co.uk/Ross_Document/Fraser_RestigoucheNB.html#Donald_1753
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Thanks again x
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you are a star thanks just on site to see them frasers
christina
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Peter's parents have a memorial stone in St Brides, Blair Atholl. We didn't notice it as it is not listed in the Pre-1855 Monument Inscriptions for North Perthshire (Mitchell & Mitchell), but it appears to have been stone 79. This was a fallen stone at the time when the burial ground was surveyed and has since been righted.
The memorial stone was erected by Alexander Stewart, draper in Aberfeldy, who is not mentioned in the Blair Atholl OPR baptisms, so another brother for Peter.
As a result we have carried out a major revision of the web-page for this family
As a reminder, here is the link:
http://www.borenich.co.uk/Ross_Document/Stewart_Pat_Tomnaguie.html
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)